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#405588 - 04/25/12 06:14 PM Door Knocking
herb vinegar Offline
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Registered: 10/15/07
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Hello, I was wondering if any of you ever considered hiring a door knocker to help prospect for you, also how much would one have to pay for this kind of work. Thanks in advance..

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#405594 - 04/25/12 08:37 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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An agent for an agent. Interesting.

Pay him or her 10% of your closed deals, like you would any other agent.
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#405597 - 04/25/12 08:52 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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How does hiring someone else to door knock help you build the relationships?
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#405598 - 04/25/12 09:21 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: johnnyloans]
herb vinegar Offline
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At this point You are not trying to build a relationship you would just be qualifying the prospects as to when they are looking to move.

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#405618 - 04/26/12 06:12 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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What's the California DRE think about that idea? I'm feelin' the luv already!
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#405643 - 04/26/12 11:24 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Vermont]
herb vinegar Offline
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I don't understand the question, What does ca dre think about what? door knocking or having some help prospect for you?

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#405652 - 04/26/12 12:40 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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Originally Posted By: herb vinegar
At this point You are not trying to build a relationship you would just be qualifying the prospects as to when they are looking to move.


But... One of the benefits of Door Knocking is that the folks who are not ready to make a move know will recognize you in the future when they are ready, because you are out there working the neighborhood (assuming you stick with it). I would think you would loose that aspect if you used a third party.

I would think in most areas the hired person would have to be licensed, which make me wonder, if they were good at prospecting why they would not be doing it for themselves and making the money.

I hire someone to do your paperwork instead, and free up your time to do what your good at... meeting people.
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#405670 - 04/26/12 02:12 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Dodger52]
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If the person doing your door knocking is licenced, what do they have to gain really? If they are willing to be the one out doing the work to generate leads then they may as well keep those leads for themselves. If they are not licenced then I would guess that they could not be out performing the duties of an agent (not around here anyways).

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#405691 - 04/26/12 06:22 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: MHT]
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Loc: Townsville, Australia
Herb

Your question is a good one! Sounds like you want to hire someone to set appointment. It can be done, as mentioned a percentage is one of the best ways to compensate. If they are only setting appointments why would they need a license?

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#405706 - 04/26/12 10:46 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Thunderstruck]
herb vinegar Offline
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Thank to all for you comments and suggestions, I don't think its against the CA. dre rules to have a non-license person set the appointments, most of the time that prospect is looking to move in the future so there would be lots of time to build a relationship.

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#405714 - 04/27/12 04:39 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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Herb, I don't know CA, but most state licensing boards have some kind of guidance about what a non-licensed person can do and not do. The best thing is call the state and ask or pull up the state licensing regs and read them or ask your broker.

Usually, a non-licensee can do ministerial tasks (paperwork, calling sellers for the listing agent to set up appointments, scheduling closings) but can't do things that require a license. In many states that includes cold calling (and by inference, door knocking).
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#405781 - 04/27/12 11:58 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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You are always trying to build relationships with prospective buyers and sellers. That is the whole point.
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#405794 - 04/28/12 10:23 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: PA Roadkill]
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Originally Posted By: PA Roadkill

Usually, a non-licensee can do ministerial tasks (paperwork, calling sellers for the listing agent to set up appointments, scheduling closings) but can't do things that require a license. In many states that includes cold calling (and by inference, door knocking).


PA is correct. An unlicensed assistant CANNOT solicit for you, that includes door knocking. This is a sure path to lose your license.

There are no shortcuts in this business. If you are not willing to go out an do the work of meeting people, then you should find a desk job somewhere.
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#405802 - 04/28/12 02:18 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Spartacus]
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Loc: MA
"There are no shortcuts in this business. If you are not willing to go out an do the work of meeting people, then you should find a desk job somewhere" Really? Because we are realtors we are not allowed to leverage our time and have people help us market for business like other businesses? And you think that's ok? I think the number of gov't rules regulating this business and any other business in this country are outrageous. We are over regulated in this country. We are regulated to death. That and the highest corporate tax rates in the world are helping to drive businesses and jobs overseas which means less people to buy houses which should concern all of us. Those "desk jobs" you talk about are moving to other countries.

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#405812 - 04/28/12 07:01 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: ramanda]
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Sure?

I respect the fact there are things we can and can't do. My question is show me the law that states a certain fact. I am not asking an unlicense person to sell any property or even open the door to show property. All I'm asking someone to due is find me a lead. How many lead sources are there trying to sell leads to Real Estate agents? How many of those people are licensed? Many agents all over this country do indeed buy those leads with the hope of Real Estate business, yeah?

From experience I can tell you California's Real Estate laws are different than Alabama's having both license's. I can't speak for another state and it's laws.

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#405814 - 04/28/12 07:37 PM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Thunderstruck]
herb vinegar Offline
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Loc: California
I agree with you, there are many non-license telemarketers out there without license and some of them are located outside the usa. I don't see why door knocking should be the exception in prospecting in our state. I believe giving the door knocker the proper prospecting script could work in getting leads.Our market is full of investors out there knocking on doors without having a real estate license.

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#405823 - 04/29/12 01:45 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: Thunderstruck]
Dodger52 Offline
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@Thunderstruck here it is

California Business and Professions Code
(section 10131)
"10131. A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is a person who, for a compensation or in expectation of a compensation,regardless of the form or time of payment, does or negotiates to do one or more of the following acts for another or others:
(a) Sells or offers to sell, buys or offers to buy, solicits prospective sellers or puchasers of, solicits or obtains listings of, or negotiates the purchase, sale or exchange of real property or a business opportunity."

Not being an attorney I can't offer a legal opinion, but it seems to me that door knocking would be a form of soliciting business.
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#405826 - 04/29/12 05:16 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
PA Roadkill Offline
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The OP's attitude seems to be "show me that I can't". Maybe the best thing is to just let them go on their merry way and then let the state handle him.

Maybe California allows licensees to pay "Bird Dog Fees" on a transactional basis. Maybe NAR's Code of Ethics doesn't apply in California. Perhaps not one of the hundreds of thousands of real estate licensees over the life of real estate law in California has ever thought of this kind of prospecting. In my long life I've found that you can never convince someone they are incorrect once they have taken a fixed position.


Edited by PA Roadkill (04/29/12 05:18 AM)
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#405828 - 04/29/12 06:22 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
rosie Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 3
Loc: ca, usa
Hi Herb:
I agree that door knocking can be an effective tool. Afterall, its one of the basics that we probably need not forget! It used to work and I believe it still does.

Good luck,

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#405835 - 04/29/12 08:43 AM Re: Door Knocking [Re: herb vinegar]
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Loc: Vermont's North-East Kingdom
Originally Posted By: herb vinegar
". . . Our market is full of investors out there knocking on doors without having a real estate license . . ."

But those "investors" are supposedly principals working for their own account; not as an "Agent" for someone else.

Most Real Estate Laws and Regulations apply only to people working as "Agents"; the Laws exist to protect the parties who hire us to perform a function for the principals.

And your hired Door-knockers would probably be classified as "Agents" working for you; not as principals.

But they would probably expect to be paid as Employees too; with all of the protection and benefits that entails . . . . not as Independent Contractors. The worst of both worlds.

This is all about "what makes for an Agent ?"
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