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#174706 - 10/10/07 01:51 AM urban vs suburban
ruv12 Offline
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Registered: 09/23/07
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Loc: Northern California
Can some please explain the difference and give examples of cities that would be either urban or suburban. I just want to see if Im on the same page........I have to explain to a bank my area.
Thanks

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#174715 - 10/10/07 02:08 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: ruv12]
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Population density generally determines, to some extent, all of the possibilities (urban, suburban, rural). For example to be considered suburban, population has to be at least 100,000 or there abouts. For example, New York City would be considered urban but perhaps Jamaica would be considered suburban. Or a California example would be San Francisco, which would be considered urban but Pacifica or Daly City would be considered suburban. I hope I didn't muddy the waters for you. Good luck.


Edited by CanDo (10/10/07 03:19 AM)
Edit Reason: My brain raced faster than my fingers and made big sentence structure mistakes.

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#174716 - 10/10/07 02:27 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: ruv12]
bLANK mAN Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ruv12
Can some please explain the difference and give examples of cities that would be either urban or suburban. I just want to see if Im on the same page........I have to explain to a bank my area.
Thanks



Now I have heard it all. How in the world are you doing Bpo and you do not know the difference? This is ridiculous.

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#174717 - 10/10/07 02:32 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: bLANK mAN]
ruv12 Offline
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Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 75
Loc: Northern California
I do know the difference but my area is a bit hard to explain to a bank.............Why is everyone on here so ready to knock people for asking a questions?
I have several years of top producing experience and just wanted to get another point of view

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#174718 - 10/10/07 02:37 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: ruv12]
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Loc: northern Illinois
ruv12 I know how you feel...my area is a suburb of Chicago which is urban, but we are a fully incorporated city surrounded by farm land...so...urban? suburban? rural? Could be any of these depending on what your interprtation is of the term.

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#174723 - 10/10/07 03:05 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: GoldenGirl]
bLANK mAN Offline
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 Originally Posted By: GoldenGirl
ruv12 I know how you feel...my area is a suburb of Chicago which is urban, but we are a fully incorporated city surrounded by farm land...so...urban? suburban? rural? Could be any of these depending on what your interprtation is of the term.


I am sorry but to say an area could be rural and urban at the same time is ludicrous. There could be some confusion between urban/suburban or suburban/rural but urban/rural? C'mon, Generally it is cut and dry, if you are not sure then use your best JUDGEMENT.

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#174891 - 10/10/07 09:41 PM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: bLANK mAN]
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I do a lot of work where the feel is no different than urban, but location is in a suburb. I usualy just note that it's in a first ring suburb with urban-like housing density. BTW...I've been lurking here for a litle over a month but didn't join due to all the flaming going on, glad to see it cleaned up over the past week!

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#174895 - 10/10/07 09:58 PM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: ruv12]
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Loc: Pasadena
 Originally Posted By: ruv12
I do know the difference but my area is a bit hard to explain to a bank.............Why is everyone on here so ready to knock people for asking a questions?
I have several years of top producing experience and just wanted to get another point of view


just ignore those that act like that...they have nothing better to do then post negatives...im a firm believer in if you dont have anything good to say.dont say anything at all... be strong...this site is filled with people like that...bpo's are competitive and with new agents getting into the field daily...some people dont appreciate newbs... im still one so i understand you...good luck!
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#174980 - 10/11/07 04:22 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: Wealth Realty]
Mitch Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 118
Loc: DFW Texas
I understand the confusion - I'm in the Dallas-Ft. worth Metroplex (which would be considered urban when strictly using population as the determining factor) and you can have a subdivision that is in the city limits but suburban in nature...i.e, 30 minutes outside of the downtown area, surrounded by corn fields, cows, whatever...So, I would consider this subdivision to be a suburban subdivision even though it is located in a city of over 1 million...You are the expert in your market area, so use your best judgement when determining urban/suburban...at least that's what I do

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#174982 - 10/11/07 04:25 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: Wealth Realty]
Gman Offline
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As far as appraisals go, USPAP ( The Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice )has no exact definition for urban, suburban or rural. As far as BPO's go I will list it as rural if it is in an area with a low population density and has no comps just so I don't have to keep answering ridiculous questions. I just add comments such as, the subject property is located in an area with a low population density but could be considered suburban due to it's close proximity to all services.

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#189591 - 12/28/07 06:18 PM Clear definition of suburban and urban?
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Registered: 06/30/04
Posts: 2176
Loc: California
I have a bpo on a property that is within walking distance of high traffic and retail areas. I characterize this property as urban but two previous reports have this as a suburban property.

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#189643 - 12/29/07 12:20 AM Re: Clear definition of suburban and urban? [Re: Cool guy]
Traveler Offline
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Registered: 11/14/00
Posts: 2500
Loc: The Coast
The population density within a certain radius of say, one mile.

For an exact definition you might try the census bureau.

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#189680 - 12/29/07 04:14 AM Re: Clear definition of suburban and urban? [Re: Traveler]
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Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 422
Urban is where all the graffiti is, Suburban is where the graffiti is just starting and rural is where there is no graffiti.

All kidding aside, even USPAP ( Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice ) does not specify what urban, suburban and rural are. As stated previously on this subject you really need to understand your own area and make the appropriate remarks. Maybe start by explaining what the area is primarily made up of, SFR's, vacant land, commercial, resorts, retirement communities, mobile home parks, PUD's, vacation homes / second homes, etc.etc. Maybe give the percentages of each category and distances between if the area is really difficult to explain as you have stated. Give percentages of owner occ., ten. occ. and part time / 2nd home occ. if necessary. PM me if you need more help.

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#189681 - 12/29/07 04:20 AM Re: Clear definition of suburban and urban? [Re: Gman]
neudot Offline
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Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 1960
Loc: Central New York
Regarding CanDo's definition of urban, that wouldn't work where I live. Our county's two largest metropolitan (if you can call them that) cities have 60,000 and 40,000 respectively. By the above definition, we wouldn't have any areas that are urban. But Gman's definition would work!

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#189717 - 12/29/07 07:26 AM Re: urban vs suburban [Re: Mitch]
Austin360 Offline
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Registered: 05/31/05
Posts: 220
Loc: Austin, TX
Mitch, we have a similar situation in Austin with most of the homes having a suburban density even though they are located in the City of Austin. In fact there are many neighborhoods that can be considered suburban due to the population density even though they are in close proximity to the central business district. I agree that the rules are murky at best and you have to just use your best judgement and know your own market area.

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