What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA

Posted by: carl1234

What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 05:03 AM

So what do you know about Froy Candelario. I have tried to find out as much as possible about him. I listened to Mike Ferry interview him and here are some things Froy mentioned. By the way Froy's goal for the year is $22,500,000 in commissions! Not sales volume, but actually 22.5 million in salary to himself!!!!

The interview was done in 2008.
Froy starts door knocking at 6:30 a.m.
Makes 400 contacts a day
Double ends every home he sells
Gets up at 3:30 a.m. and goes to the gym
Lists 60+ homes every month
His listing apts are done at his office and last 5-10 minutes
Between appts he is on the phone cold calling

Hard to believe there is not more on the internet about this guy...drives a lamborghini, has made 100's of millions of dollars in his career.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 06:14 AM

Sounds to me too like he does not have a life, a family, anything - his life consists of real estate and midnight excursions when nobody else is around.
That's not someone I'd want to emulate. That's not a life. At least, not the kind of life I'd like.
Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 07:03 AM

http://www.agentsonline.net/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/200275/2.html

We had a conversation about this guy awhile back (scroll to the 2nd page on the above link) and the whole thing nauseates me. I think it's an embarrassment to our profession... I'm proud that I take great care of my clients and that my business continues to grow because of it. Not because I pester people all day long. I don't make $22million, but I do just fine, thank you!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 12:16 PM

Fortunately real estate is a thing that you can do many different ways to fit your personality, style and schedule.
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 12:29 PM

22.5 in gross commissions for his team or commissions to himself? Hard to believe before i even look into this story
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 01:55 PM

his stats impress the heck out of me. lol...i have a new idol. personally, i like the phones because i can hit the most people in the shortest time. shows that nothing beats face to face. he was hired by a seller to sell a home and he seems to be very good at doing just that. he might not have a personal life or he might. point is that with the kind of low overhead he has and the money brought in (assuming it is a legit number), he could retire anytime he wants. seems like he chooses to do what he does.

think of the agents who work the hours that he works and go broke because they cant bring in business!

i dont know where i saw this, but someone said "if you love what you do, you will never have to work a day in your life!"


froy, i salute you!
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 03:48 PM

I've honestly never heard of Froy before this thread.

I've already got plenty of great role models to learn from and emulate. A few in my own office. And several in my region that are easily 'netting' well over a million a year.

As others have said... this business can be done in many different ways. Just like many businesses. And each of our business plans should reflect our own personal goals and life dreams.

=)
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 07:41 PM

Here is more about Froy: I pasted part of the article here in case you don't want to read the entire article.

http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/profiles/ferry_tale.php


"Among Ferry’s many outstanding students in attendance here in sunny San Diego are Carlos Justo, of Miami and The Learning Channel’s Million Dollar Agents reality show TV fame; Christina Martinez; and Karen Bernardi.

But Froy Candelario of Superstar Realty in Los Angeles is the Ferry protégé who towers above them all. He wears gold cufflinks and drives a Rolls Royce. He will sell over 1,500 homes this year—by himself—and make millions of dollars doing so. He has formed his own multiple listing system. Realtors are in awe of him, and stories about him regularly circulate whenever realtors congregate.

“The legend? He sells 10,000 homes a year and makes over 400 contacts a day. He’s a prospecting machine.”

“He’s worth billions. Trillions, maybe.”

“He grew up in a cave in South America with only goats and howler monkeys for friends.”

Another rumor is that Ferry actually tried to ban Candelario from attending this year’s One-on-One Retreat"
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 10:48 PM

Does anyone have a link to a factual report about Candelario?

A Google search turns up little but blog anecdotes and Mike Ferry seminar chats...

Odd. But I've been known to mess up my Google searches.

Still odd.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:12 PM

There is more about him on that article:

"With only 15 minutes left on my lunch break, I run into none other than Froy Candelario at the MFO registration desk. Standing 5’5” and weighing about a buck seventy, he is wearing a vest over a crisp white shirt, and a gold brick of a Rolex. He appears to be in his mid-50s, his dark hair liberally salted with gray.

He is surrounded by seven agents, mouths flapping, questions in flight.

The questions range from the number of homes he’ll sell this year (“About, oh, fifteen hundred.”) to how he prospects his leads (“Hi, this is Froy Candelario. I just listed the Jimenez’s home on 123 Rondario Dr. for $210,000. Are you interested in purchasing this home? Do you know anyone else who would be interested in purchasing this home? Thank you very much.”), and end with my query:

“Do you really make 400 contacts a day?”

Candelario smiles and nods his head in affirmation.

I’ve heard from a friend who once visited Candelario’s office that he usually makes three phone calls at once—two on a double headset (one caller on each ear), and a third on speaker phone. He apparently toggles the mute button, switching fluently from Spanish to English and back again—sometimes in the same sentence while speaking with two different people. He’s like the Michael Jordan of cold-calling."
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:18 PM

What I think is odd is that there is no official Froy website...or at least none that I have found yet. I see a lot of chatter ABOUT him. I wonder if he actually even exists.

Maybe I've seen Wag the Dog too many times. Or Mash. Anyone remember Captain Tuttle?
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:40 PM

Perky, it is interesting that all we find about him seems to be buzz and chatter in forums and funky webzines. Take a hard look at the link we've been provided... I think that speaks volumes.

I've not seen one reference to this guy in any reputable real estate web site.

Waiting for more about info about Froy from the 'Froy Candelario' fans on this board.... maybe a write-up in an NAR publication? Until then I'm done here.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:44 PM

Yep. I think it's just some kind of plot to see how gullible agents are. LOL

Kind of like when a new "faith healer" shows up on the scene, supposedly raising people from the dead, healing people of cancer, replacing lost limbs...all by word of mouth though...you hear lots of TESTIMONIES...of so called "witnesses."
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:45 PM

he might not be a realtor so there is a chance that he would not be in any nar publication.

i have googled him as well and have only found the stuff that you guys have posted here.

he might be old school and could operate without a website.

i thought that someone mentioned that they looked him up?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:47 PM

that would certainly make NAR look bad...lol. top agent in the country not a realtor?

tsk tsk

that said, I still think it's a fabrication. probably to generate interest in mike ferry seminars...
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:52 PM


this post came from realestatewebmasters.com
i saw Borino on the thread!
the name at the bottom is the poster of the message below.


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I just wanted to update this thread here.

I just happened to be listening to some 15yr old tapes of Mike Ferry today(from our office library) and he did two very controlled studies of his 1500-2000 coaching clients. Each group talked to the exact same number of people (this was controlled). He had one group only cold call, call expireds, and call FSBOs. The other group only door knocked.

What he found was as follows: Both prospecting methods worked well obviously. But, the group that door knocked had 400% more listing appointments than the group that prospected by phone. As far as time was concerned it took the door knocking group 25% longer or so to talk to the same number of people as the phone group did.

So, it took 25% longer, but they ended up with 400% more appointments. Hmm.

I'm not trying to argue or sway anyone one way or the other. It's just that these results aren't what I would have originally guessed if you had asked me, so I thought maybe others would find them useful.

- Matt Mouser
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Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/24/08 11:59 PM

"he ate trash..."

Dam
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 12:16 AM

estatereal, only 25% longer to door knock over cold call? Better be a FAST walker! As I'm sure you know it's easy to do a complete cold call in under 1 minute. I think it would take me that long just to walk from one door to the next nevermind wait for them to come to the door and give my spiel.

And they've got to be comparing "cold" door knocking with "warm" expired/FSBO calling. It obviously takes a lot longer to drive to and knock on the doors of just expireds and FSBOs. I find it hard to believe that you can get 400% more appointments knocking door-to-door than you can calling expireds and FSBOs.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 12:37 AM

very very true!

it is late and i was half reading and thought that it was interesting.

think about this. what if you put the expireds and fsbo's on a phone list and had hundreds of them to run through(and you called them every day for 2 hours). certainly there could be no faster way to pick up listings.


interesting thought......tomorrow when i make my calls, i will keep track of a few things and post the results. i really want to track this. i have had a pretty busy week. there is a chance that this survey might not take place tomorrow as i have a listing going live, another listing appointment, one on saturday and one on sunday plus i have a buyer appointment for a referral from my lender(i dont like working the buyers(time consuming), but if it is a referral i dont want to pass it off as the person giving me the business might think that i think that i dont want the business and maybee they wont send it my way the next time(lots of think's and that's in that run-on ;-)


here is what will be tracked.

number of calls in an hour
number of live people talked to
number of appointments
number of people who say "thanks for the call"
number of people who say "do not call me again"


cant wait to see the numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 01:15 AM

Looking forward to it even if you can't post your results until next week. I've tracked those numbers over the last few years and my averages are:

Calls per hour: 30 (I like a leisurely pace)
Live answers per hour: 20
Follow-up leads per hour: 6
Appointments per hour: 0.5

Number of people who say "thanks for the call": 20
Number of people who say "do not call me again": 0
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 01:38 AM

I'm intrested in this guy too

I found this forum post where a guy says he spent a day with him
http://www.famousagents.com/forum/telemarketing/33-telemarketing-avenues.html

I also found 818.361.0090 which is suppose to be his phone number according to
http://www.famousagents.com/forum/mike-ferry-organization/333-mike-ferry-compatible-brokers.html

I know a local guy who was a mike ferry coach for several years and he does tons of cold calling. he does the 2 head set calling

I also know Jeff Quinton that is mentioned in
http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/profiles/ferry_tale.php
the guy is a prospecting machine
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 07:36 AM

RealDealer and estatereal, please share what you say on the phone, do you use scripts or just wing it?

I won't be posting any numbers as I don't track lately, maybe I'll look at my numbers from last year when I was tracking and post them here later on. Overall, I would go on 2-3 listing appointments a week when I was consistent. I was carrying 13 listings on a consistent basis...not very impressive either. I used the Mike Ferry scripts. One thing is for sure I only get under 10 leads a day from byownerdaily, my lead provider(3 yesterday) and I'm not going for the listing but rather for the quick money...I'm offering a flat fee listing. Yesterday I decided to try to go for the listing, if not possible then offer the flat fee listing. I'm not using scripts but I'm going to start again.

... my apologies to the OP for hijacking the Froy thread.

Going back to Froy...I'm a bit gullible and believe he is out there somewhere. In fact, I'm going to call that number and see if he answers then I'll report back here.

Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 08:46 AM

swflagent, you definitely need a script to keep you focused on your objective. Otherwise it's easy to get swept up into a long drawn out conversation that goes nowhere.

Remember this: the person asking the questions is the one who is in control of the conversation. The person who is answering them is the one being evaluated and qualified based on their answers.

So I believe the best script is simply a sequence of questions and the answers to those questions allow you to decide if you want to take the listing or not.

I believe in getting straight to the point because I find that saves the most time and prospects really appreciate it. So your first question should be your main qualifier. Don't beat around the bush! Ask them bluntly if they want to get their house sold right NOW! The answer you're looking for to all of your questions is an emphatic "YES!" Forget the wishy-washy "Oh gee-wiz I dunno, maybe, sorta." Those people should be redirected to your website or you can drop some info in the mail for them.

Your prospecting time is precious and your goal is to get appointments with HOT prospects who are ready to sign. Not people who want you to drop by so they have someone to talk to about their sick aunt.

You will have to develop your own script based on your personality and specific objectives. Just think it through. What information do you need? What does a prospect need to say to convince you they're worth your time? Write your answers down and turn them into questions to be directed at the prospect.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 09:00 AM

Thanks for your feedback RealDealer. I do have a tendency to get into conversations. I already know what to ask I just need to get back on track.

I know I need to change something to get better results. It's not the first time I've heard what you are saying.
Posted by: Rainmaker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 10:50 AM

Hey RealDealer,

I am wondering what kind of calls are you making, or I guess I should say who are you making them to? Are those to expired/fsbo or pure cold calls around listings? Or maybe a mix.

I have recently begun a door knocking campaign and I go around my listings first, office second and then any well priced one that I like. Right now I find I am making 12 to 15 contacts per hour at the door.

With so many people on the DNC I decided to give this a try and see what comes of it.
Posted by: Pikes Peak

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 12:32 PM

I found this on Arello.com
Candelario , Froylan Jaramillo
17105 PARTHENIA ST
NORTHRIDGE, CA 91325
USA
Contact Information
None

License Information
Number: 00875305
Type: Salesperson
Status: Active

First Issued Date:03/09/2005
Last Renewal Date: Not Provided
Expiration Date: 03/08/2009
Posted by: brseminars

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 12:49 PM

I just so happen to know there is an official Froy website coming very soon:)
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 01:03 PM

swflagent, I understand. Salespeople are often tempted to take the time to answer a lot of questions because they think that at the end of the questions there will be a signature. Unfortunately they fail to realize that the more questions they answer the less control they have over the conversation. And seller questions have a nasty tendancy to go in the wrong direction and you can easily give away too much information.

Too much information can only do one of two things:
1. Confuse the prospect--a confused mind always says no.
2. Make them believe it's easier than it is and that they can do it themselves. (This is a huge risk when prospecting FSBOs)

The hard part is knowing which questions are legitimate and need to be answered with a BRIEF, confident response. And which questions are just the prospect fishing for free expertise. And then to be able to recognize them at the moment and catch yourself before you give too much away.

You want to be able to send them off to your website if they're a weak lead, or get back to your qualifying questions if they're a good one, either way you need to keep the call moving in the right direction as quickly as possible. That's what a script can do for you if you have the disipline to stick to it--it's hard no doubt about it!

Rainmaker, expireds and FSBOs exclusively. If I ever run out of those to call without having enough business then I'll think about pure cold calls. Even then I would focus only on new (2-3 years at most) and high turnover neighborhoods. That's where you're most likely to find people who got in over their heads and need to sell quickly.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 01:44 PM

Great information RealDealer, I do believe I've been giving too much away. Thanks again!
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 01:51 PM

I have been amazed by the stuff I read last night on Froy, today I decided I would find out if it is true

and.........

Froy IS REAL

I called a realtor I know, who was a trainer for MFO, to ask about this froy guy. He said that he met Froy a few years ago at a MFO convention.

He said Froy does more business by himself than most large offices.

He told me that his office is set up like a doctors office. You get an appointment and you sit in a waiting room. When you are called back for your turn (if you are a buyer), you answer a list of questions, then go talk to a mortgage person , then you get about 10mins with FROY who tells you what listing of his best fits you. If you are not intrested in that listing then he moves on to the next person.

He said sellers are treated the same way. He does have, like his own private MLS, he does not co-broke and is not a realtor.

He told me one of FROY's techniques is actually to call the owners of other REALTORs listing!!!
Posted by: Braden

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 03:01 PM

So do these people actually get to see these homes before they buy them?
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 03:47 PM

Quote:
He told me one of FROY's techniques is actually to call the owners of other REALTORs listing!!!
Now that makes sense! Why do pure cold calling when you can call people who are actively listed for sale? And he can do it too since he's not a realtor, (no code of ethics) so long as he doesn't try to get the seller to break their listing he can't be sued for contract interference either.

I can see two huge advantages for him.

1. He let's other agents spend all the money to find the sellers he then calls/door knocks. So he saves all of his money and most of his time.

2. He has no competition (unlike the FSBO and expireds market) because other agents won't call active listings.

I think I'll have to start doing the same thing, it's brilliant!
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
[quote]

I think I'll have to start doing the same thing, it's brilliant!


I thought the same thing while he was telling me that. I mean come on would you rather list with the guy who sold 4 houses last year or the one who sold 1500, has his own mls and drives a roles royce?

I often think as REALTORS we are at an extreme disadvantage against slime ball non-realtors.

Originally Posted By: Braden
So do these people actually get to see these homes before they buy them?


I don't know?
but he told me froy always gets both ends of the sale? I bet he makes them set up a time with the homeowner or something. or just has a showing assistant?

He did say if you were not approved by the mortgage guy you dont get to see froy
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 07:31 PM

Froy is real. He is a nice person when you meet him. If you see him during a break at a seminar, he's like a rock star, with tons of people around him. But he answers all questions with a smile. He has been very humble the 2-3 times I've been around him.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 07:48 PM

VacationGuy, if he does all of his own sales (no co-oping) then it stands to reason he doesn't care about the opinion of his competition (other agents and realtors) so as long as it's legal, taking advantage of that competition for his own benefit is in a word "brilliant".

Quote:
I bet he makes them set up a time with the homeowner or something.

Having the owner show the property is a great way to keep costs down and be in many places at once. I've done it a few times with good results.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 08:48 PM

I said I'd not post in this thread again until someone provided a REAL link to a VERIFIABLE story about Froy. Another page of anecdotes and fantastical tales, but still no reliable source. Not one.

So I'll make this even a bit simpler challenge... can anyone post a photo of Froy?

Just a picture... After all, someone earning $20M+ a year usually gets his photo taken every once in a while... perhaps at one of these seminars everybody bumps into him at?

Thanks.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 08:55 PM

Reporting back as promised:

I called the number posted as being Froy's. After a few rings the call went straight into voicemail...the
message welcomes you to Superstar Realty and tells you to leave a brief message.

The first time I called I only had a few seconds to leave a message before the connection ended.

The second time, a few hours later, I was able to leave a message requesting he calls me back.
If and when he calls I’ll invite him to visit the forum. It would be cool if we could have a Q&A with him.

Of course, how would we know he is the one? What if someone else impersonates this so called Froy?
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 09:00 PM

Ok...

Texas Agent asked for some real information...so I went to the California Secretary of State and did a search on Superstar Realty to see if it was registered and the name of the owner...

Here is the link guys...check it out:

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2806773
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 09:05 PM

Ok I admit it, you've worn me down, I'm Froy smile
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 09:11 PM

ROTFL!
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 09:21 PM

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Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/25/08 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: VacationGuy


Froy IS REAL


He said Froy does more business by himself than most large offices.


How is this possible? He has only a salespersons license and no employing broker, making it illegal for him to sell real estate in California.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 12:59 AM

I can understand the disbelief in Froy's numbers. He is real...you can goto amazon.com and look at Mike Ferry's book "How to develop a six figure income" that was written a long time ago...He talks about Froy on page 169.

You can call karen Bernardi in Colorado...one of the top realtors in the country...she makes around 3 to 4 million in commisions each year...she will confirm the interview she gave to mike ferry where they talked about Froy making 20+ million this year in commissions.

If you do the math it is around 800 homes at 500,000 each with double ending every commission at 6%.

And to follow up on another post it is NOT against the board regulations to call a home that is listed as long as you don't offer the same service for which they are under contract.

You could call every listing and ask if they wanted to work with you to buy a home....i didn't believe this when i first heard it on my star power tapes....i looked into it, and you can do this.

I have not heard that Froy contacts home that are currently listed however....

In his interview with Mike Ferry he did state that agents in his market speak bad about him to sellers, etc.

Alson in the interview Froy says he spend 30+ days (don't remember exact number, but it was a lot) in countries like mexico, guatemala, etc helping the poor and giving them substanial amounts of money...he stated that is his motivation for working so hard...to help poor familes in these areas.
Posted by: Bigtoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 07:22 AM

I always thought the only people who sold this much real estate have already retired and now are making money teaching us how to do it. smile

This has got to be one of the best examples of viral marketing I have seen in the real estate business. Ferry just made a bunch of money off of this post and the spin offs.

Notice the OP only has 4 posts on this forum and they all involve Froy. Welcome to the new world of forum spam.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:07 AM

Well, I for one don't believe that Carl234's intentions are to spam the forum...If you do a search on Froy he is the topic of conversation in many forums including activerain. Perhaps Carl1234 likes this forum and wanted to initiate a post and participate, become a part of the community...just a guess.

Froy is real, the details of the conversation Carl1234 mentions on his post above are from a real interview with Mike Ferry which I listened to myself, (last night) This interview is out there on the internet, and I know the voice on that tape was Mike Ferry's. This is obviously an unprotected site. MF puts out motivational talks and interviews with top producers and people pay dearly for them hence I'm not posting the link. I did save the mp3 file so if I figure out a way to make it available I will do so via pm.

I met Karen Bernardi too and a couple of top producers which happen to be in my market, Mike Darda and Fahada Saad, all MF's students. Amazingly enough, while I was one MF's students I never heard of Froy and I attended a couple of Superstar retreats, in 2006 and 20007 which Froy attends too. The first time I heard of Froy was here on this forum.

I think that because of Froy's atypical success people are curious wondering how he does what he does. It's just human nature plain and simple.

Then again...Bigtoe's observation, regarding Carl1234's posts, is right on, they all involve Froy...sigh
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Auburn CA
Originally Posted By: VacationGuy


Froy IS REAL


He said Froy does more business by himself than most large offices.


How is this possible? He has only a salespersons license and no employing broker, making it illegal for him to sell real estate in California.


I think in one of the articles it said he has a broker...bascially as an office assitant role though.
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:34 AM

No offense, but you can believe what you want to believe. I've spoken with him and seen him. He's not Big Foot!

I do not have any idea what his exact numbers are... actually don't care. I can't go by what I read on the internet msg. boards. I only go by what I know.

Froy or other "super agents" have no bearing on my production other than to inspire me to expand my thinking. Have fun while lookin' for "Big Foot".
Posted by: Bigtoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: swflagent
Ok...

Texas Agent asked for some real information...so I went to the California Secretary of State and did a search on Superstar Realty to see if it was registered and the name of the owner...

Here is the link guys...check it out:

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2806773


According to http://www.arello.com the owner of this corporation works for Century 21 La Hacienda - North Hills, Ca (there could always be 2 people with the same name)

Arello lists a froy candelario who got his license in 2005.
Posted by: Spartacus

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 12:13 PM

This is weird. If you look on the dept of RE website, it says that is his license is inactive, and he has no employing broker. Either he's working illegally, or he is just a myth!!!!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 12:40 PM

Quote:
Either he's working illegally, or he is just a myth!!!!

There are two other possibilities.
1. He works through a licensee (like his wife for example), she signs all the paperwork and gets the commission, while he does all the prospecting. (I personally know someone who does exactly that.)
2. He could be buying and selling all of these properties on his own behalf. This is what I do using options and a license is not required for it.

But it does seem more and more unlikely that he actually exists considering no one can produce a single photograph and he has apparently never been interviewed by anyone other than Mike Ferry. The only people who claim to have met him are Mike Ferry students. What about all the thousands of buyers and sellers who have supposedly done business with him? There isn't a single testimonial or recommendation to use his services anywhere on the net? Do none of his clients have computers?
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 12:53 PM

I had never heard of Froy until this post.

I know guys who do $3 to 4million a year in commissions and they work their butt off. its like a 24/7 deal for them and they have multiple assistants and multiple buyers agents.

Ive been very intriged by the stories of froy, its amazing 1 person does that much business. I wonder why this guy doesnt have a website? and why he isn't selling his own course yet smile lol

The whole thing has been pretty motivating for me to say the least
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 01:44 PM

brseminars said that there is a website coming soon. so i would guess that brseminars can tell us if froy does or does not exits. i am inclined to say yes as i have gone to several different forums and he has been mentioned by enough people for me to think that there is something to him being an actual person. as far as his numbers, i dont know, but even if he was making 10m in commish each year as a sole agent with assistants, the way that his business appears to be set up by what i have read is pretty amazing.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Bigtoe
Originally Posted By: swflagent
Ok...

Texas Agent asked for some real information...so I went to the California Secretary of State and did a search on Superstar Realty to see if it was registered and the name of the owner...

Here is the link guys...check it out:

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2806773


According to http://www.arello.com the owner of this corporation works for Century 21 La Hacienda - North Hills, Ca (there could always be 2 people with the same name)

Arello lists a froy candelario who got his license in 2005.


Based on this, it appears that there is no relationship.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 02:59 PM

The 'Top Agent in the USA' and after two days not one person on this forum has been able to provide a single bit of reliable evidence that he even exists. Is there such a think as 'Suprestar Realty?' It appears so. Is there someone licensed somewhere in the US by the name of Candelario who is affiliated with that group? It appears so. Other than that... zilch.

Case closed.

Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 03:27 PM

if he truly operates without use of the mls and a license, then it is plausible. he sounds like he makes money by networking. there is a chance that his assistants are licensed as mentioned and he is merely the one that brings in the leads.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 04:33 PM

Don't you suppose that if a guy sells 1,500 homes a year that at least a small percentage of his clients might post raving reviews about him on their blogs or web sites? Don't you suppose that one newspaper or magazine in his hometown might have done a piece on this superhuman agent?

The only blog posts I've seen are from Ferry Fanatics...

Continue on!
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 04:45 PM

Real Estate URBAN LEGEND!!!!
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 05:01 PM

I was looking for more info on Froy myself...

I found this site by googling around.
http://remaxmasters-south.com/Coaching/January.htm

Listen to Froy Candelario interview and Karen Bernardi interview.

He is most defintely real, and most defintely makes 10's of millions.

He does the majority of his business with the spanish market.


I emailed him..and his wife Catalina wrote this back to me saying I could come out to california and shadow Froy for the day while he door knocks...I think she said it would be like $300 to do this....

He gives his email in the interveiw....email him and go shadow him and report back to us on the board.

Edit: I found the email that they sent back to me. Here it is:

Froy has been expremely busy and I apologize fro this late e-mail. I don't know if you are familiar with the shadowing program. There is a $500.00 fee for the
day. Only between 8am to 3pm Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, no exceptions. If you would like to get on the list. I presently have a cancellation on February 8,
or February 12 2008 e-mail me if one of these dates work for you.
Cathy Candelario
Superstar Realty
15342 San Fernando Mission
Mission Hills, CA 91345
Toll Free: 888-224-4100
Business: 818-361-0090
Facsimile: 818-838-2291
Email: superstar-realty@hotmail.com
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Don't you suppose that if a guy sells 1,500 homes a year that at least a small percentage of his clients might post raving reviews about him on their blogs or web sites? Don't you suppose that one newspaper or magazine in his hometown might have done a piece on this superhuman agent?

The only blog posts I've seen are from Ferry Fanatics...

Continue on!



With all due respect. I told you he is a real agent. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. However, other than the entertainment value, which is very low right now, this thread is silly.

As I stated earlier, believe what you want. People tend to dispute what they don't like, don't understand or are jealous of. You appear to fall in one of those catagories. Good luck in your search for "the truth".
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:27 PM

Actually, some of us are just not gullible.

I would be more likely to believe it IF:

I could find something credible about him online.

If he "has his own MLS", why the heck can't we find it online? Why doesn't his real estate office have a website? Why is his license inactive?

How come the only people who claim to know him are brand new members of this board?

As to RealDealer's theory:

Quote:
There are two other possibilities.
1. He works through a licensee (like his wife for example), she signs all the paperwork and gets the commission, while he does all the prospecting. (I personally know someone who does exactly that.)


I don't know about Cali, but in PA it is highly illegal for non licenesed people to discuss real estate with customers - in PA, the secretary is not even allowed to give the price of a property or answer any customer questions AT ALL....it was quite frustrating to me when I was a secretary and the only person in the office and a customer would call and I couldn't tell them how many bedrooms or how much it cost. I don't see how prospecting by an unlicensed person would be legal...but hey.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCal
With all due respect. I told you he is a real agent. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. However, other than the entertainment value, which is very low right now, this thread is silly.

As I stated earlier, believe what you want. People tend to dispute what they don't like, don't understand or are jealous of. You appear to fall in one of those catagories. Good luck in your search for "the truth".


With all due respect... this whole thread is a Ferry Tale! I'm not sure the purpose. But I do now see that Froy's 'shadow' program and its rates have been advertised on this forum.

Viral marketing at its crudest.

He, he...

clown
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:33 PM

I can understand by skeptical, but more than enough prove has been given that he is real.

His office phone number, email, newspaper articles written about him, a book he has been mentioned in, interviews, and a billion dollar producer Karen Bernardi interview was posted where or and Mike Ferry discuss Froy's goal for 2008 is to make 22.5 million in commissions.

Also, Borino on this board followed him around while he knocked on doors years ago.

I registered on this board, as it was one of the few places on the internet that he was even discussed.

I agree that you would think a whole lot more would be written about him,etc...that is why i registered on this board..as i was looking for more about his business etc.

I was orinally curious about his phone prospecting...i heard he calls on 3 phones at one time...and was wondering how that is done.

Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
I was orinally curious about his phone prospecting...i heard he calls on 3 phones at one time...and was wondering how that is done.



He holds one phone in his left hand, one in his right, and the other with his left or right foot. He uses the left foot if the right foot is busy typing on Internet forums.

I heard this from a million dollar agent who payed $500 to follow Froy around for a day. Of course, there wasn't much following to be done... since Froy sits in a chair with both hands and both feet busy so doesn't get around much.

clown
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 09:08 PM

I wanna know who lets him in at 6:30 in the morning. Tell you what, some dude starts knocking on MY door at 6:30 he'll be introduced to my .410.

wink
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 09:16 PM

Miracle on 34th St. comes to mind.

If any of you believe in God...please provide proof to everyone on this board and beyond.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 09:26 PM

Are you equating Froy with Santa Clause or God?

Or both?
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 09:37 PM

Did you listen to his interview posted above...he explains how he door knocks so early.

Funny how much pride gets in the way of our learning. I sold 10 million in real estate last year and am always looking to improve...seems like the most negative ones on this board and in the offices i have worked in are the agents doing 4 million and lower in volume.

Don't believe any of this stuff...but it is simple to verify...call Jeff Quintin and Karen Bernardi both of them sell well over 100 million a year and they are both in awe of him.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:02 PM

it has nothing to do with pride. it's just old fashioned honest Yankee skepticism.

I don't believe every story I hear, no matter what it is, whether it be religious (I don't believe in any of those crazy faith healers who claim to have raised the dead and turned dust into gold) or business.

I certainly don't believe something simply because someone on the internet says its true.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:10 PM

i only believe what i see on tv
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:17 PM

Especially the late night infomercials, right?
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:49 PM

the later the infomercial, the better the product. just the other day I learned that I could make millions working from home. only 29.95 to learn the system. with deals like that who needs real estate!
Posted by: leadingexample

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/26/08 10:50 PM

I only scanned this thread and I was a little surprised to see so many didn't believe Froy even existed. I can tell you that he does exist.

I have personally met him at conferences in 1994-1996. You'll find him very friendly and open to any questions. He's a really nice person. He used to allow people to shadow him for free and usually had 2 or more agents trailing him around all day. (From what I've been told.)

A few people in my mastermind group in the mid 1990's had shadowed froy and said it was a career changing experience for them. They reported that the work ethic was unbelievable.

I'm not sure what he is doing today, but I'm sure it's something special.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/08 01:09 AM

Here's a list of top real estate agents I happened upon on the web. I recognize many of these Top 50 agents in the US names. I'm sure other agents recognize many of these names as well...

Generally when people are hugely successful they do get mentioned in these types of lists...

It seems that Froy is indeed a real guy. I believe people have met him at conferences and he really is a nice fellow. I believe he has a door-knocking system that works well. He's probably even a highly successful at what he does.

I also believe there's a bit of viral marketing going on here including a few tall tales... Ferry Tales, if you will.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/08 01:39 AM

What would you say if the following agents all confirmed he is real and that he sells way, way more than they do?

Number 11: Cristina Martinez
Number 34: Valerie Fitzgerald
Number 44: Jeff Quintin
Number 12: Carlos Justo

And missing from that list is Karen Bernardi...she has sold over 200 million in a year...now sells 100-180 million and works 5 months a year.

They will all confirm Froy is real, and he sell 100's of millions with a staff of 4.

As far as viral marketing for Mike Ferry..not me. I have never been in his coaching...i did buy one of his one-on-one retreat dvd's for like $100 bucks that had some top agents (jeff quintin) doing role plays and listing presentations..and it was helpful.

I have been in craig proctor's coaching and am currently in Jeff and Marsee Wilhems Top Agent Tool box program...which is excellent.

I just want to know more about how Froy does it, and what others know about him...cause I do am amazed that the top agent in the counry has so little about him on the internet.

I suppose him dealing with mostly spanish market in Los Angeles, and door knocking and telemarketing there might not be much on him...but I can't even find newspaper articles, etc.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/08 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
What would you say if the following agents all confirmed he is real and that he sells way, way more than they do?

Number 11: Cristina Martinez
Number 34: Valerie Fitzgerald
Number 44: Jeff Quintin
Number 12: Carlos Justo

And missing from that list is Karen Bernardi...she has sold over 200 million in a year...now sells 100-180 million and works 5 months a year.

I would say you've still not provided any verifiable, factual information. And, further, I'd say that when I type 'Karen Bernardi' into Google I find enough credible sources so fast to understand that her story and her success is for real. The same with 'Jeff Quintin' or others on that list. Which is kind of what you'd expect for a team leader who's selling $100,000,000+ in real estate each year. When I type 'Valeria Fitzgerald' into Google I get all kinds of independent and reliable information about her huge success... including unrelated but quite convincing information about which political campaigns she donated to in 2004. And when I type 'Carlos Justo' into Google I not only find loads of articles written by him on creditable real estate web sites, but I also can find a few of the luxury Miami properties he markets so well. Yet when I type 'Froy Candalerio real estate' into Google, this thread is the 4th link that pops up. He's not only a Superstar Agent, I suppose, but the best Superstar SECRET Agent ever. In fact he's hidden his success so well I think he might do even better for himself by leaving real estate and marketing his camouflage techniques to the military!

clown
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/08 11:37 AM

Everyone on the MASH episode "Tuttle" insisted Captain Tuttle was real, too! 5 Star Generals, even!

Only three people knew the truth about Tuttle - but a lot of people had fantastic stories about his valor and heroism and generosity.

wink
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
What would you say if the following agents all confirmed he is real and that he sells way, way more than they do?


They will all confirm Froy is real, and he sell 100's of millions with a staff of 4.


Well, then it looks like he has a $50,000 fine coming his way for practicing real estate without an employing broker..
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 01:10 AM

if i made 22mil i would laugh at a 50k fine.
Posted by: super realtor

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 02:01 AM

Who cares about FROY. Seems like a bunch of crap to me!!

If this guy was so famous he would have articles written about him,news stories,etc.

Until I see a picture or video of him in action I won't beleive squat.
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 09:01 AM

Please don't take this the wrong way...

It's hard to believe that some of you are so closed minded and for lack of a better term, ignorant. Has the business made you all this cynical and pig headed or were some of you born this way?

I've been in this business or quite awhile now, 20+ years. I have absolutely no reason to come on some internet site and make up things about a "fictional agent." I don't know about you guys, but I don't have time for that. I can just give you info on what I know, not what I don't. I've met Froy a couple of times. I've shaken his hand and had very short conversations with him. What am I supoosed to think now? The guy I met was and imposter? A setup by the Mkie Ferry Organization in order to pump up seminar attendees?

I come on this site to get info that may help me with my business. However, I stopped "lurking" because I opened and office and have been very busy and quite frankly... some of you on here are kind of rude and uninformed at times. My wife has been getting some info from this site and relaying it to me, so I thought I'd give it another try. When I saw the thread about Froy, I thought I'd shed a small bit of light and let you all know what I know since I've run into him a couple of times. I've met ohters who know him personally and have seen him in action. These people are good agents with no reason to lie. I figured this is a good time to start to contribute rather than always take from the site.

It seems there are some of you who are so cynical, in order to believe something you must have a internet video or some silly statistics to belive he is as successful as legend has it. How do you pick and choose what info on this site, or any others for that matter, to believe. Why do you care if Froy is "real" or not? With the internet, as with anywhere you hear a good story, you have the story tellers and the nysayers. The truth is somewhere in the middle. whether it's 400 sides or 1500 sides... it's a lot of business. Not everyone has to write a book or be in every magazine or website . Just because YOU don't understand how he does it, or those numbers are out of YOUR reach, does not mean it is not rue of someone else.

I met the guy on multiple occssions. He's a little guy with a nice watch dressed in a nice suite. Very nice. I've spent the day with people who know him. Obviously, if I don't have a photo or video of him door knocking or meeting with clients, some of you are not going to believe me or anyone else. That's okay. I can't pin you down and make you believe anything. I'm not offended in the least that you don't believe anything about Froy. I'm more amused than anything.

I do think there is some good info on this site. I apprciate the contributions of most of you but, some of the post' here make me realize why our industry is bashed so much. We don't even respect one another, how are our clients and propects going to have any respect for us as an industry?

I'm not one of those, "take my ball and go home types." So I'll still sponge off the site and try and contribute when possible. If you choose to flame me, that's okay too. I'm a big boy who carries a big stick. A fight on the street does not bother me, so an internet fight really doesn't! upset Just kidding. I'm way too busy to get into a p!$$in' contest.

I hope everyone finds what he/she is looking for. Now it's time to put out the weekend fires!! Have a GREAT DAY!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 09:26 AM

SoCal, apparently you have plenty of time to b*tch at us. But no time to provide a single shred of proof the guy even exists.

So when you met him on these "multiple occasions" you were so in awe of meeting your god that you forgot to lift your phone and take a picture of him, I take it?

Froy is even more elusive than UFOs! At least there are a few grainy pics of those smile

UFO = Unidentifyable Froy Organization
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 09:53 AM

WOW some of you need to get a life. Socal says he met the guy, are you calling him a liar? I'm here to learn not to flame people over the Internet because its easy to be a tough guy behind a screen name. I appreciate the information and hope you continue to post socal and others with positive information.

Also i listened to the Ferry interview with Froy. Froy was not very impressive in the interview, but it appears he does indeed exist. Are his numbers 100% accurate? Only him and God know that.
Posted by: super realtor

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 11:01 AM

We have 9 pages of posts looking for concrete evidence of a person that exists. (I think that speaks for itself)
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 11:12 AM

i am not saying that he does not exits. i am not saying that he does exits.

i think the information on him is wonderful. i hope that he does exist as the type of business that he runs is most impressive to me.

from the evidence provided, i would have to say that he does not exist. i am a nobody in the country when it comes to real estate, yet if you google my name a bunch of things will come up.

i have searched many forums and have seen threads taht mirror this one to a "T". if brseminars does indeed know of a website that froy is building, i for one would love to know more about it.

as far as hiding behind a computer screen. i am the same person and voice my opionions the same way.

this thread was never a flame thread, i have only seen agents asking for more verification. i can understand their want to find verification as there is nothing solid that says he does exist.

do i personally think he does exist? maybee. one way or the other i am inspired to MAKE MORE CALLS! so if i can get more motivated than i already am to make more calls then froy is a great guy if he even does not really exist.

i hope that by typing this i have confused others as opposed to only confusing myself.
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 01:12 PM

super.... half way down there is an interview with him..
http://remaxmasters-south.com/Coaching/january.htm

a couple of people on here have said they met him

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 01:53 PM

I met him too! He's real!


wink
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 02:19 PM

You can call Mike Ferry a fraud if you want, and SoCal a liar, i would rather give them the benefit of the doubt. instead of thinking everyone is a liar, i like to think they are truthful until proven otherwise. nothing wrong with that, just different philosophy in life.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 02:28 PM

i would say that the interview proves that Froy is real. i am normally not very wishy washy on issues, but i must admit, before the interview, there was nothing posted on him so i can say that there would be reason for people to disbelieve that he does exist.

can anyone get Froy onto this thread? that would be pretty great!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 02:38 PM

Giving things the "benefit of the doubt" is why we need sites like Snopes.

Sorry that it's offensive that I'm not gullible - I guess it just bothers me that many people will jump on a rah rah bandwagon without even checking to make sure it's legit.

It bothers me that many people are ripe for being taken advantage of in various situations (not this one but other sales gimmicks, etc) and they just accept whatever they're told without question. And it bothers me that the ones of us who are skeptical and DO question are called ignorant.

That sucks - but hey, if I have to be labeled ignorant for not just swallowing whatever is fed me, then so be it.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Ok I admit it, you've worn me down, I'm Froy smile


Isn't he one of our own?

grin

PS: just having a little fun...agree w/poster give people the benefit of the doubt, that's how our legal system works so why not here?...everyone thinks different so if you believe great and if you don't great...let's agree to disagree respectfully.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:06 PM

Hey, I wasn't the one calling people ignorant, it was the "believers" who were being snotty.

In fact I find that attitude on here a lot; someone loves a particular system or way of doing something, and then calls people who disagree or prefer other methods all kinds of things, like "unmotivated," "lazy", "non-producers," "ignorant," "unprofessional," or "dinosaurs," to name a few.

It's pretty stupid if you ask me. Nothing wrong with saying "Well, whatever works, go for it.."
Posted by: HomeSellingHelpU

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:19 PM

Interesting tread!!!!

I've never met Froy, however,living a couple of hundred miles from him I have heard of him and his amazing amount of production. It's funny I don't know about you but I've known of people who did some very amazing things with their lives and most of us have never heard of them!!

There is no question about it some people have a different mind set and energy about work, it might be hard to believe someone like Froy can work like that and do it everyday. Some people just might turn their noise up about how he goes door to door early in the morning and that ok? He is doing more than just beating his competition, he is helping hundreds of people realize their dreams of selling and buying a home.

Thats not all, he helps others who are in need.

Morris Benningfield Fresno, Ca
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: HomeSellingHelpU
I've never met Froy, however,living a couple of hundred miles from him I have heard of him and his amazing amount of production.


By now everyone in this thread has heard of him and his amazing amount of production. The problem is no one has been able to verify that amazing amount of production.

Can you verify it?

Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:41 PM

I think we should keep going, we are at 92 posts...

I bet we are going to hit 100...
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:43 PM

Perhaps we can start a pool...

Who will be sighted first? Froy? Big Foot? Or the Loch Ness Monster?
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Hey, I wasn't the one calling people ignorant, it was the "believers" who were being snotty.

In fact I find that attitude on here a lot; someone loves a particular system or way of doing something, and then calls people who disagree or prefer other methods all kinds of things, like "unmotivated," "lazy", "non-producers," "ignorant," "unprofessional," or "dinosaurs," to name a few.

It's pretty stupid if you ask me. Nothing wrong with saying "Well, whatever works, go for it.."


The post was directed to many not anyone in particular.

And regarding a point you made earlier...I agree that realtors are prey to many schemes...i.e. buying leads comes to mind. Some say that salespeople are the easiest to sell to.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Originally Posted By: HomeSellingHelpU
I've never met Froy, however,living a couple of hundred miles from him I have heard of him and his amazing amount of production.


By now everyone in this thread has heard of him and his amazing amount of production. The problem is no one has been able to verify that amazing amount of production.

Can you verify it?



It's hard to verify, isn't it?

Along the same lines...how do we verify you, him, her, me on this forum?

PS: I think we're going to hit 100
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 03:56 PM

[quote=Texas Agent]Perhaps we can start a pool...

Who will be sighted first? Froy? Big Foot? Or the Loch Ness Monster?

[/quote]

Well one of the guys that took that famous picture of nellie admitted on his death bed it was a hoax so i say C is out.

We have had pictures of big foot right?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:02 PM

You can verify me because you can see my website linked at the bottom of my post. You can then see my agent # and broker office (and THEIR license number) once you visit the website. Then you can call me on my cell phone and most likely I will answer. (please don't try to sell me anything though or I will be very rude, my minutes are not to be wasted...LOL) You can also find all sorts of references to me and my office and my market area when you google me...including my own website as well as my broker's website. All the pieces will add up.

With Froy, all the pieces have mostly added up to several threads on agent boards talking about him - but no website that listed him as an agent, no listings, nothing but a bunch of agent buzz and some questions about his license and who his broker is (except for this one interview and a news article titled Ferry Tales, interestingly enough.)

I think it's smart to be skeptical of such a legendary character. I wouldn't be surprised if he DID turn out to be some kind of marketing tool of Ferry's. I really wouldn't but then again, I always told myself I was too suspicious.

Maybe it's because I've been suckered once or twice in the past and the old adage goes "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me..."

It's not that I'm cynical (or maybe I am) but maybe I'm just more careful about whose words I trust. The only reason I signed up for Borino's XPlus system is because others on this board, whom I've been chatting with for well over a year have given it good reviews (though I admit I haven't done anything with it yet, I have been too busy following up on other leads right now).

I didn't believe Borino just because he said it was great, I believed Borino because people I trusted - estatereal and Jennifer Allan, said it was a great product. I bought Jennifer Allan's Sell With Soul book after following her on here for some time and reading her blogs on ActiveRain and exchanging personal emails with her.

I realize that Froy isn't trying to sell anything and nobody here is trying to sell anything but I also would be more inclined to believe the stories if someone who I know to be reliable (sorry, newbies, I don't automatically believe what you say just because you say so - I don't know you from Adam, maybe after you hang out here for a few months and I see that you're not given to wild tales and that you're relatively sane, I'll believe you... wink )

Trust is precious and is not something that should be given out willy nilly - it needs to be earned.

Off the soap box now, sorry, thanks for being with me this long.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:03 PM

I just sold my 2,000th home for the year so I'm kicking Froy's [censored].
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:04 PM

100!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:04 PM

smile GO, RealDealer, Go!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:07 PM

Thank you so much. Just don't ask for proof or I might have to call you names smile
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:10 PM

Here is why I think Froy is more likely to be real than not based on then interview. His interview was bad, it was boring, not very inspiring besides the stats. If he was trying to create a legend i think he would have found someone more inspirational.

Here is the other thing in my mind. Just because his system works for him doesnt mean it will work for everyone. Also because he is off the grid (realtor/mls) we will never know if his numbers are real. They may be, maybe they are not, so while i believe he is real, i dont know if his numbers are completely accurate or not.

WHat I would really like to know is someone on here must live in his area. Are his signs everywhere or not?
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:16 PM

Dean, I agree if Froy is real and his numbers are real I would be willing to bet his system wouldn't work for anyone else (or nearly no one). How many people have the energy, drive, and charisma to do that much prospecting and who happen to also have chosen real estate sales as their business? He's probably the only one.

Quote:
Are his signs everywhere or not?

You forget that he gets all of his business (buyers as well as sellers) from prospecting. He doesn't use signs.
Posted by: PA/NJ Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me..."


I thought the quote was: ""There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/youtube/bushfoolme.htm
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Giving things the "benefit of the doubt" is why we need sites like Snopes.

Sorry that it's offensive that I'm not gullible - I guess it just bothers me that many people will jump on a rah rah bandwagon without even checking to make sure it's legit.

It bothers me that many people are ripe for being taken advantage of in various situations (not this one but other sales gimmicks, etc) and they just accept whatever they're told without question. And it bothers me that the ones of us who are skeptical and DO question are called ignorant.

That sucks - but hey, if I have to be labeled ignorant for not just swallowing whatever is fed me, then so be it.


would you like to buy talking house? it is a great way to get more listings!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 06:02 PM

i truly like prospecting. it brings me joy to speak with people that i have not met before and start a mutually beneficial relationship. i am full of energy. hearing what froy's day is like, i know that i dont have that type of energy. i am impressed with i hear as i admire hard workers and effecient systems.

i would like to hear more about him because i find him interesting. i listened to about 3 minutes of the froy interview, but did not get the opportunity to finish(had a listing appointment).
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 06:04 PM

A. Continue with my domain name
Domain Name
- froycandelario.com available

You can be froy!
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 06:18 PM

You can also listen to Karen Bernardi's inteview with Mike Ferry on that same site...they talk about Froy and his goal to make 22 million this year...Karen was blown away and she is going to make 4.5 million this year.

I agree with most of the posts on here ( i am the original poster). I just was looking for more concrete info on Froy. I know he is real, due to the dozens of people that have met him, etc...he has lamborghini's, rolls royce's, top of the line suits, watches, etc.
I have no way of knowing if the numbers he states are true...however the people that have shadowed him over the last 20 years to a person say they have never seen a guy work so hard.

Looking forward to hearing from any other agents that have info on him.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
I agree with most of the posts on here ( i am the original poster). I just was looking for more concrete info on Froy.


Let's see... over 100 posts and all these folks digging and how much 'concrete' information have we discovered?
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 07:01 PM

Texas, we have a recording from Mike Ferry and also another recording with Karen Bernadi acknowledging him. Unless you are calling them frauds trying to scam everyone that should be proof he exist.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 07:03 PM

I've listened to the recording. I've listened to Froy. I've listened to Karen talk in shock about Froy's goal to earn $22M.

I've called no one a fraud.

I've simply asked for some verifable information about Froy's production.

Should be a fairly simple matter. Yet we keep getting led straight back to the Mike Ferry interviews where this all began.

Am I right or wrong?



Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 07:10 PM

YES the only evidence i have is mike ferry did a recording with him but think of all ferry has to lose if he made him up. We are talking the loss of millions of dollars of income if he was found out to have created him. He has way to much to lose for me to believe he has done it. I would think it would be just as easy to disprove as to prove. Someone could go there and show up at office and ask if this guy exists.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 07:53 PM

Mike Ferry has nothing to lose as this thread atests to. For every person who wants proof there are 5 others who swear they walk his dog while he door knocks.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 07:54 PM

Think we're going to hit 150 posts?
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Think we're going to hit 150 posts?


Viral marketing at its worst.

I do have one last thought about Froy... of all the stats and numbers he rolled off in that interview, did he happen to mention how many of his clients are repeat customers?

I really don't feel like listening to that whole interview again.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Think we're going to hit 150 posts?


Sure, why not...Will 150 break any records here?

cool
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
I just sold my 2,000th home for the year so I'm kicking Froy's [censored].


I sold my 2005th....ha!
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: estatereal
i truly like prospecting. it brings me joy to speak with people that i have not met before and start a mutually beneficial relationship. i am full of energy. hearing what froy's day is like, i know that i dont have that type of energy. i am impressed with i hear as i admire hard workers and effecient systems.

i would like to hear more about him because i find him interesting. i listened to about 3 minutes of the froy interview, but did not get the opportunity to finish(had a listing appointment).




Someone posted a link to a MF book and I read a little bit of it. There, MF mentions that Froy has 3 telemarketers working for him...I bet he counts their contacts as part of the total for any given day...so you have more than one person prospecting. That makes it more believable IMO.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Think we're going to hit 150 posts?


Viral marketing at its worst.

I do have one last thought about Froy... of all the stats and numbers he rolled off in that interview, did he happen to mention how many of his clients are repeat customers?

I really don't feel like listening to that whole interview again.



I don't think so Texas Agent.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR

Trust is precious and is not something that should be given out willy nilly - it needs to be earned.

Off the soap box now, sorry, thanks for being with me this long.


Right on Perky.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:24 PM

i still have not had the chance to get my numbers down for calls and contacts per hour with my dialing.

normally on tuesdays from 530-730 my lender and i dial for dollars. tomorrow i have an appointment at 630 so i will not have the full time to get my average for 2 hours. i am going to start calling a bit early. once i get the chance to get solid numbers they will be posted. i have not forgotten.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: swflagent

Someone posted a link to a MF book and I read a little bit of it. There, MF mentions that Froy has 3 telemarketers working for him...I bet he counts their contacts as part of the total for any given day...so you have more than one person prospecting. That makes it more believable IMO.



THAT changes everything and the Superagent image is completely shattered - he is no longer a One Man Real Estate Machine but instead, very shrewd businessman with an effecient system that is successful in his market area.

Certainly notable that he's so successful, but what's so remarkable (beyond the shrewdness and simplicity of the successful system of course) about a guy who has hired people to prospect for him? He's now in the same ranks as the Scranton Times who has people call me every so often asking me if I'd like the Sunday paper...

I'm kind of sad that the legend has been diminished to just another system. I actually kind of liked the idea of either the created legend or a real guy who is a multi-tasking dynamo...

Oh well, this was fun while it lasted! laugh
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 10:22 PM

It would be hard to make 400 calls a day by yourself. You would have to have so many great systems in place.

When i started out I cold called like crazy. I would spend hours doing reverse address searches finding peoples phone numbers.

It does make sense though if he has 2 or 3 telemarketers working for him. I can see how he would do it.

I use to set a daily goal of 100 people and it was difficult for me atleast. I would get side tracked with other projects or would have things I had to do. But if you had a couple telemarketers banging out calls with you, plus you had assistants to deal with day to day business, I can see where it would be very possible.

Honestly I don't care if Froy is real or not, the stories about someone doing business on this level is really motivational for me.
Posted by: VacationGuy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 10:24 PM

It would be hard to make 400 calls a day by yourself. You would have to have so many great systems in place.

When i started out I cold called like crazy. I would spend hours doing reverse address searches finding peoples phone numbers.

It does make sense though if he has 2 or 3 telemarketers working for him. I can see how he would do it.

I use to set a daily goal of 100 people and it was difficult for me atleast. I would get side tracked with other projects or would have things I had to do. But if you had a couple telemarketers banging out calls with you, plus you had assistants to deal with day to day business, I can see where it would be very possible.

Honestly I don't care if Froy is real or not, the stories about someone doing business on this level is really motivational for me.
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/08 11:28 PM

well dam the first article I read talked about his team and staff. Of course noone could get close these supposed numbers by themselves. Noone would believe that.
Posted by: Bubba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 01:42 AM

For him to be a Realtor in California he would have to listed with the real estate division so you should be able to go to their website and see if he is actually an agent.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:00 AM

Well I'm going to try to turn a rather contentious thread into something positive and then bail out for good...

We've hashed this out for a week with little new information discovered. I think we can each come to our own conclusion about the reasons that verifiable information seems to be so elusive. So I'll sum up what I think I'm going to take away from this thread and then be done with it...

- Prospecting and lead generation are the crux of our business.
- A strong work ethic, business strategy, daily goals and plan, and ACTION to implement that plan are crucial.
- Coaching and motivational seminars can be an effective tool to keep our focus on our goals and to generate a great level of 'excitement.'
- I think all of us can aspire to be as dedicated, motivated, and focused as legendary Superstar agent Froy Candelario.

yay
Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:04 AM

Texas - I haven't contributed to this thread much at all... but I have to add that I'm SO not impressed with Mr. Candelario and hate the idea that his business model is something to be admired and strived for.

There's no way on earth that his methods do anything to improve the perception and reputation of our industry since apparently all he's famous for is making gobs of money. I've heard absolutely NOTHING about what a great agent he is or how much his clients appreciate the job he did for them.

I think that's a real shame that this is what we celebrate more than anything else. I guess it's all just nonsense when agents claim they went into real estate because they love the idea of helping people achieve the American Dream, blah blah blah. Nope, it's ALL about PROSPECTING and the Paycheck.

Blech.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Jennifer Allan
Texas - I haven't contributed to this thread much at all... but I have to add that I'm SO not impressed with Mr. Candelario and hate the idea that his business model is something to be admired and strived for.

Jennifer, I was very careful not to recommend Mr. Candelario's 'business model.' I DO admire his legendary motivation, dedication, and work ethic.

And there is no fundamental disconnect between prospecting and helping people. Where do you find all those people you want to help, if not for prospecting? Even Mother Teresa used to walk door-to-door, didn't she??
Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:22 AM

Texas - I almost always agree with you, so I believe ya! I just don't think there's much about his methods that are admirable. And, I disagree that prospecting and lead generation are the crux of our business. DO A GREAT JOB FOR THE CLIENTS YOU HAVE TODAY AND YOUR TOMORROWS WILL TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. Swear to God.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:24 AM

Jennifer, do you follow up with your past clients on a regular basis? Do you get referrals from those contacts?

confused
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:33 AM

Come on Jennifer, you don't have to insult prospecting at every turn just because you sell a competiting method. You're like those agents who berate FSBOs for trying to sell on their own. Oh you like to pretend you're doing it for some greater purpose, but it's all about the bennies. And you have the nerve to turn it back around and act like Froy (or anyone who does prospecting) turns your stomach for doing it.

"Blech" is exactly right.
Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Jennifer, do you follow up with your past clients on a regular basis? Do you get referrals from those contacts?

confused


Yes, I stay in touch with my past clients and my SOI and my business is nearly 100% SOI. I do not do any traditional prospecting, never have.

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Come on Jennifer, you don't have to insult prospecting at every turn just because you sell a competiting method. You're like those agents who berate FSBOs for trying to sell on their own. Oh you like to pretend you're doing it for some greater purpose, but it's all about the bennies. And you have the nerve to turn it back around and act like Froy (or anyone who does prospecting) turns your stomach for doing it.

"Blech" is exactly right.


How exactly is advising agents to take good care of their clients a "competing method?" It is my strong opinion that our industry celebrates prospecting over service and I don't have any problem expressing that opinion every chance I get. Funny that the concept of providing exceptional service and caring about one's current clients as a "prospecting tool" generates any debate at all.

My lead conversion rate is over 50%. How does that compare to doorbell-ringing, cold-calling, open-housing? Guys, being good at your job and caring about your clients WORKS. Sorry if that's offensive.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:49 AM

Jennifer, I don't disagree with a word you've said.

But let me ask you this... when you first got started in the business, before you had a single client to recommend your great service, where did you get your business? Did it all come from family and friends? Or did you hold open houses, work the phones in the office, etc?

We have a very nice agent in my office who moved here about a year ago from Michigan. She had a fairly well-established business going up there but is now 'starting over' in a new area. So in effect she has virtually no 'client referrals' to work with.

How would you propose she build up her database of clients in the area?
Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:56 AM

I hate to answer this question online because yes, I do sell products and services that help agents (new and experienced) develop and run a 100% SOI business. Sorry... but it's what I do.

Email me offline (jennifer@sellwithsoul.com) and I can point you to some resources - some free... some cheap... some not-so-cheap.

But to briefly answer your questions directly - my first 25 sales were all SOI... but 22 of them were to people I didn't yet know on the day I got my license. They were people I met as a result of the people I already knew - not necessarily referrals (although some were), just people who crossed my path, who happened to have a real estate need.

SOI is far more than family and friends. It's everyone who knows you and knows that you sell real estate.

Moving to a new area is brutally tough, when you don't know anyone at all. But that's another topic!
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 09:06 AM

Jennifer, you are prospecting.

By definition, building and following up with an SOI is prospecting. Whether you meet your 'prospects' through your family or friends, through a social network, through your previous career, through your neighborhood, from past satisfied clients, or by walking and knocking on doors, you are prospecting.

For some reason you seem to feel the word 'prospecting' has a negative connotation. Perhaps because many associate it with those dreaded door-to-door salesmen and telemarketers.

Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 09:10 AM

I believe I used the term "traditional prospecting" which, in real estate, is understood to be:

1. Door knocking
2. Cold Calling
3. Open Housing
4. Advertising
5. Farming
6. Referral-Begging
7. Floor-timing
8. FSBO & Expired prospecting
9. Lead purchasing

Of the above, the only things I've ever done are Open Housing (but I do not actively prospect for buyers; I do open houses for the benefit of my sellers), Floor-Time and a little advertising. I tried House Values many years ago and spent a bucket of money and got ZERO listings.

So, yes, I do seek business and am successful at bringing it to me, but I do not accomplish that with "traditional" methods.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 09:16 AM

Totally agree Texas. And if that's the way you want to look at it Jennifer, then I have to change my answer.

I don't do any prospecting. I simply take the initiative to build long-term relationships with my business partners. And I don't have to "convert" anyone. I do business with 100% of those who are serious about doing business with me.
Posted by: HomeSellingHelpU

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 12:32 PM

I don't mean any disrespect, but it's pure and simple in business it's about positioning yourself to make MONEY from some one.

Question: How long would you keep doing it cold-calling, door-knocking or SOI, selling books and stuff if you absolutely knew you would never receive another dime for your efforts

Money is the motive, guys!

Can you feel good when you work for someone and help them sell or buy property? -- Sure -- That's the human need.

People (most) are not stupid they know their relationship could also be based on business and isn't that ok? If it's balanced

I can guarantee that in any method of gaining someone's business
there will be those who don't like a certain approach and I'm talking about from the homeseller and buyer's point of view.

It goes back to personality, some people like being wined and dined --- others don't.

We call ourselves Professionals right?

There are all kinds of Professionals doctors,lawyers,farmers, teachers ect... How many of these professional are taught to take THIER clients out to lunch or have a party?

My doctor who I admire made $40,000,00 for his professional work that he performed on me, did he throw a party for me or wine and dine me? No! Not even a gift! Just a bill!

I use this great lawyer (I have to pay her too) who calls me by my first name, no wine and dine either!

Morris Benningfield Keller Williams
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 02:06 PM

Regarding the original post: Per the California DRE website, Froy Candelario's California salesperson license is not affiliated with any employing broker so he cannot legally be paid any commissions. Imagine if he was sued and ordered to pay back all commissions to the principals. Froy, here's a tip: You better sign up with a broker pronto. Send me a million. My advice might save you twenty-two.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 02:27 PM

could there be a way for him to go door to door and qualify people by asking if they are interested in selling and then turn them over to someone who is licensed to make the deal go through? i can see a number of ways that someone could be unlicensed and work things the way that he apparently does.

i know that i could be unlicensed and on a salary paid to me by a company that has licensed agents and my salary could be x dollars and all i do is ask people if they want ot sell. essentially he could be set up on some sort of marketing salary being paid x dollars, therefore he would not receive a commission.

without hiring a lawyer i can see ways that a lawyer could make it legal for him to run the setup that he apparently has. with the income that he generates, i am sure that he covers his butt on legal matters.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 02:49 PM

Not in California.

From the CAR website:

A real estate salesperson can receive a commission only from the real estate broker under whom the salesperson: (a) is currently licensed, or (b) was licensed at the time of the sale or other transaction. Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code § 10137.

Q 17. Can a real estate salesperson ever act in a licensed capacity without being associated with a real estate broker?

A No. A salesperson cannot act as a real estate agent or perform other services requiring a real estate license unless his/her license "hangs" with a broker and the activities requiring a license are performed under the supervision of the broker to whom the salesperson is licensed. (Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code §§ 10132, 10160; Cal. Code Regs. tit. 10, §§ 2725, 2753.)

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I think Froy has "overlooked" this detail for many years because he supposedly has been so busy. I don't know much about him. The CA DRE website indicates he used to have an incorporated real estate company but abandoned the d/b/a name back in 1995.

I think licensing issues are more prevalent than people realize. I listed a home for some folks and discovered that the agent who sold it to them had an expired license. I looked her up in the MLS system and saw that she had another sale while her license was expired.

When I receive offers, I look up agent license information. I've gotten a couple offers submitted through agents who had problems with the state.

Back to Froy -- if some other agents are signing off on Froy's deals, then he cannot legitimately claim the huge commission income that Mike Ferry and others say he pulls in.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 03:14 PM

It's entirely possible that he is doing business as an investor, not representing anyone, and not being paid in the form of a commission. He may keep his license solely for running comps and keeping tabs on his competition. In which case he wouldn't need to be a broker or even have a broker.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 03:22 PM

he could have a company set up that pays each person a salary. he could have his agents hang their license with any broker out there and work for his company as long as his licensed agents hang teh license with a broker, they dont even need to work out of the brokers office, froy could have all commission go to the agents and the agents could pay the company for marketing. agents win, froy wins. he would not actually be paid a commission, but a salary from a company.


to show the example that i have. if i were to close 100k in commission at a 100% company and pay my assistant 100k salary, she would not have to be licensed because she is making a salary and not commission.


for all we know froy could technically be the assistant to the agents he has working for him and he could have a 10 million dollar sallary.


not saying that is how he does it, but there are legal ways to pay someone for their work done. we just cant call the pay a commission and it cannot be deal based.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 03:27 PM

RealDealer: That would mean he would have to be taking an option on everything, or buying properties outright and then selling them as a principal. But that doesn't seem to go along with all the hype about him "double-ending" all these deals as an agent. If he found a way to do these things as an investor, he should be given credit for wearing an investor hat -- not an agent hat. I think he is acting as an agent and his license status has just fallen through the cracks.

estatereal: If Froy has sympathetic agents working for another broker, that broker would be responsible for the e&o risks of all of Froy's "supposed" deals. Froy cannot legally get any "referral fees" in California. He also cannot collect salary for doing licensed activities, without being properly licensed through a broker. He cannot negotiate contracts as a salaried employee. As you described it, commissions from deals would need to go to the other broker. It is not likely that another broker would accept all the e&o risk and pay out 100% of the commissions received while calling them salaries. It would be simplest for Froy to simply sign on with a friendly 100% broker than create a convoluted scheme.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 03:51 PM

I did a little research and this is what I found:

Catalina Candelario is a licensed salesperson and her broker is La Hacienda Realty - C21

The address listed for her is the same address as Froylan Candelario's who is also a licensed salesperson with no broker as mentioned above. (Northridge).

Catalina Candelario is also the owner of a Nevada Corp. by the name of Superstar Realty Inc. located at 15342 SAN FERNANDO MISSION BLVD.

Is it possible that all his deals are going under her name and she gets paid the commissions? I don't know how the Nevada corp. enters into the picture.
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 03:58 PM

11K members on here and no one lives in or around San Fernando California?

I am really intrigued if this guy is for real or not. I feel confident he does exist, but could he be scamming everyone with his legend status?
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:15 PM

Judging by her C21 photo, my guess is that Catalina is Froy's daughter.

If Catalina Candelario is signing off on Froy's deals, then Mike Ferry should be hyping her, not Froy. All commissions would need to flow through her Century 21 broker. Don't you think C21 would be bragging about their franchise if all of this volume went through it's office?

Well, I got a lot to do so I'm out of this thread for awhile. I think most of the hype about Froy is grossly exaggerated. Nobody could keep as low a profile on the Internet as he has with his alleged accomplishments. Customers would be gushing about how great he is, etc., etc. I don't see any testimonials from clients on the web. Mike Ferry can profit by creating a "legend" around him.

Anybody visiting these forums work in escrow or title shops in Southern California? They should be able to confirm if he does an enormous business or not.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:17 PM

is it possible that froy could be an assistant to 3 agents and they each pay him 3.3 million dollars a year?

it is possible that froy might not negotiate deals, but rather pass them off to his licensed agents once they commit to wanting to do business with him.

froy could strictly walk around house to house and call phone to phone asking if you want to sell and lining up the appointment and then letting his agents do everything else. for someone as busy as he is, that sounds like it is the most feasable.

i work for a 100% company and i can tell you taht if i made millions in commission and wanted to pay my assistant 5 million dollars salary a year, that would be totally legal.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:21 PM

i understand that he is limited and cannot negotiate and do many otehr things if he is not an agent, but at the same time, he can do things that an agent cant do.

if i were 1 of 4 agents who had a slice of 22 million in commission, i would probably take it and be happy paying my "assistant" any salary (not commission) that he pleases.


i am not trying to argue, but i do see a way that someone can get paid without making a commission and i see a way that somoene can operate without crossing the legal lines.


i dont need a license to make calls and ask if someone wants to sell and then passing the live caller to a licensed agent or having them come in to sign papers with a licensed agent.


just trying to state that in this extrememly unknown situation if the hypothetical scenarios were real, there could be a way to do it and be legit.
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: estatereal


i dont need a license to make calls and ask if someone wants to sell and then passing the live caller to a licensed agent or having them come in to sign papers with a licensed agent.


I am in school right now and we covered this in class on Saturday. In Arizona you would be practicing real estate and would not be allowed to do that if your license was inactive. So I think states may vary on this.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:35 PM

so you are telling me that someone cant hire a call center and have telemarketers call phone numbers and ask this exact question.


hello mr smith. my name is telemarketer #1 and i am calling on behalf of agent superstar with xyz realty. agent superstar was wondering if he could help you with any of yoru real estate needs.


obviously that is a horrible script, but if the person said yes, then the telemarketer would pass the call to the licensed agent.


it is possible that froy(or anyone unlicensed could be inserted into the telemarketer position and hand a live caller ot a licensed agent and get paid a salary.

that is really the only point that i am trying to make.



or


hello my name is telemarketer, i am not calling to talk re with you. i am not going to do anything other than ask you to come into my office and talk to a licensed agent.

i am calling to find out if you would like to come into my office and sign papers with a licensed agent to sell your home?


that is pretty cut and dry and legit. there is no crossing the lines there. obviously anyone who would do something like that would want to make sure that hte script is not crossing any line, just wanted to state once again that it is possible to make that call.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:38 PM

The fact is there are very few people who are capable of that level of prospecting on a consistant based. It would certainly make sense that prospecting is ALL he does and the leads are passed on to others for processing. But as Perky pointed out that kind of kills the "super agent" persona. Although he would still be one hell of a telemarketer for the team. As you say estatereal, there are nearly as many ways Froy could do what he does legally as there are replies to this thread!

Caveman, if he is doing all of this as an investor (presumably with options) it still makes sense that Mike Ferry is promoting his achievments the way he is. The reason is that Mike is selling coaching to agents NOT investors. And what Froy does is much more like what agents do than what most investors do. Think about it, if you're an agent looking to build your retail listing/selling business with prospecting. Would you pay to learn from someone who taught an investor how to do $22m a year in business, or someone who taught an "agent" how to do so?
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:43 PM

As far as I understood it, and we talked about it for a long time because we were all shocked, in Arizona you cannot ask anyone if they want to sell their home, buy a home or anything at all like that and then receive any monetary value for that at all. Not commission, not salary not anything. So if I called and said do you want to sell your house then give it to you if they said yes that would be ok UNLESS you paid me at all for my time then i would be practicing real estate.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 04:48 PM

Dean, unless he makes himself a principal in each deal.
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 05:24 PM

here's the california department of real estate website, you can check the status of the agent

http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: DeanMesaAZ
As far as I understood it, and we talked about it for a long time because we were all shocked, in Arizona you cannot ask anyone if they want to sell their home, buy a home or anything at all like that and then receive any monetary value for that at all. Not commission, not salary not anything. So if I called and said do you want to sell your house then give it to you if they said yes that would be ok UNLESS you paid me at all for my time then i would be practicing real estate.


can you as an agent hire someone to walk the neighborhood and hand out fliers? that is pretty much what froy is doing, but he is having a little bit of conversation in the meantime. what he says is unknown.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 05:42 PM

In the state of Texas an unlicensed assistant cannot make telemarketing calls of any sort.
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 05:47 PM

can you as an agent hire someone to walk the neighborhood and hand out fliers? that is pretty much what froy is doing, but he is having a little bit of conversation in the meantime. what he says is unknown.


As I understood it yes, as long as they did not talk to them about the house then they were just acting as delivery agents
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
He may keep his license solely for running comps and keeping tabs on his competition. In which case he wouldn't need to be a broker or even have a broker.



He can't join the MLS without a broker in California.. so comps would be difficult.
Posted by: super realtor

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 07:01 PM

License Type:
SALESPERSON


Name:
Candelario, Froylan Jaramillo


Mailing Address:
17105 PARTHENIA ST
NORTHRIDGE, CA 91325


License ID:
00875305


Expiration Date:
03/08/09


License Status:
LICENSED NBA


Salesperson License Issued:
11/02/84 (Unofficial -- taken from secondary records)


Former Name(s):
NO FORMER NAMES


Employing Broker:
NO CURRENT EMPLOYING BROKER


Comment:
NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION


NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS


>>>> Public information request complete <<<<


It sounds like this is the dude. He has various other liscenses
under superstar realty btu theyhave expired.

The status he has now is non-broker affiliated which means he can't practice real estate as a salesperson.

From the interview I listened to a few things come to mind.
He talks about going into telemarketing. I basically think here is just an agent who started doing leads years ago like homegain is doing now and making a mint.

I think this guy is a telemarketer and lead generator and that's how he make his money.

Regardless of what all of you say if you have an attorney and enough money you can find a loophole to make things legal. Later on they can change the law and then you just have to modify what you are doing to make it legal again.

If this guy was really that rich he could retire now and just do investments and make himself a billionaire in real estate.I know I wouldn't be knocking on doors with that kind of money because I wouldn't have to.

As to everyone's business model why do we have to bash the way everyone else does something. I look at the way some people work and go I would never want to live that way but it's there life.

Some people are leaders and some are followers nothing wrong with either.You know the saying "lead,follow,or get out of the way!"
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 07:10 PM

In TX an unlicensed assistant may legally do open houses. However, they are not permitted to discuss any aspect of the property or engage in a discussion about real estate with customers. They may hand out flyers but may not discuss the information in the flyers. For instance, if asked how many bedrooms the home has, they must say... "Please refer to the flyer and the information provided by the agent."

An unlicensed assistant may NOT engage in telemarketing or telephone solicitation of any sort.

Disclaimer: This is an opinion, not legal advice. Please consult a real estate attorney for TX real estate law.
Posted by: HomeSellingHelpU

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 07:11 PM

You bet your backside your can employ telemarketers for the purpose of setting appointments in California!

Here is one small script:

TELEMARKRTER

M/M Seller would you like to get your home sold in 30 days?

Mr Smith our real estate agent can meet with you Wed at 5pm or 6pm to show you how to get your home sold in only 30 days!

Is the telemarketer helping to sell or buy real estate? NO

They are just setting appointments.

Ever had the doctor's secretary call you up and ask you if would like to see the doctor? I have. Is it legal? You bet!

I know of several Real Estate agents that use telemarketers to set appointments.

Morris Fresno,Ca Keller Williams
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: DeanMesaAZ
As far as I understood it, and we talked about it for a long time because we were all shocked, in Arizona you cannot ask anyone if they want to sell their home, buy a home or anything at all like that and then receive any monetary value for that at all. Not commission, not salary not anything. So if I called and said do you want to sell your house then give it to you if they said yes that would be ok UNLESS you paid me at all for my time then i would be practicing real estate.


Dean,

when i went to re class, my teacher told us this and told us that. she knew how to teach us how to pass a test. she read almost verbatum, what the book said. we thought she was mrs. real estate. she had been in the business for over 15 years. funny thing is that about a year after i got out of re shcool, just out of quoriousity, i looked her up.. at that time, i had done more than she had done. she might be able to quote more verbatum than i will ever be able to quote, but when it comes to interpretation in a practical sense, i would put her in the dirt.

i can tell you this. i have spoken to re attorneys on certain issues (because i do a lot of marketing and self branding and promotion) and asked one of my friends who sits on the board at the commission the same questions that i asked to the attorneys and gotten different answers.

just because you spoke about it in re class does not mean it to be accurate if hte person telling you is wrong.

you absolutley can telemarket without a license! you are not selling re nor negotaiting re. you are setting up appointments for a licensed agent and that is legal.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:09 PM

Quote:
He can't join the MLS without a broker in California.. so comps would be difficult.

Are you sure there's no affiliate status available? Most boards I've seen sell affiliate status for appraisers and licensees from other boards. I know you don't have to be a broker or associated with a broker to get access to my local MLS, in fact you don't even need to be licensed.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:13 PM

if he is an assistant to a licensed agent, he can get access to the mls and have his own legitimate log on id.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 08:45 PM

Well if he's going about this in such a convoluted way then his entire business is really a sham. Why not have his own license and a broker and do it legit, rather than try to come up with some scheme to stay under the radar?

Could it be that he does some shady things perhaps and no broker would want to go near him?
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 10:28 PM

Or could it be that he doesn't want to pay unnecessary fees to be "legit"? That's the case with me. Why pay when I don't have to?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 10:38 PM

But this is someone who would laugh at 50,000 fines?

Come on you have to admit this whole thing is nuts. You really think a guy who makes millions of dollars a year is going to be balk at paying a few hundred dollars in fees in order to be legal?

Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 11:24 PM

It's the principal of the thing. WHY pay? It would have zero effect on my business either way, so what's the point?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 11:31 PM

It would have a big hefty effect on his business if he gets caught doing real estate activity without being properly licensed!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/08 11:43 PM

Weren't you just complaining at me for "assuming too much" about YOU? Now you're doing the same about him.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 12:15 AM

I listened to the interview with Mike Ferry. Candelario claims he sets an average of 8 appointments each day. Each seller is given 5 minutes. He tells them either they can list with him, not list with him, or he may decide not to list them. He also states that he has them sign the listing contract and after that he turns them over to an assistant. If he is not working under a broker, he is definitely operating illegally. No ifs, ands or buts. From his own story, he is not working his listings as an investor.

Unless someone can document the sales of Candelario, I'd say most of the hype about him is made up. He claims to double-end every single deal, and not a single property is listed in the MLS. Sounds like b.s. to me. You mean not a single seller would insist on their home being in the MLS? This is perhaps a nice cover story for why his sales cannot be documented. If he was truly a legend with the accomplishments attributed to him, there would be plenty of local write-ups in the press. But a Internet search doesn't turn up a single one.

If the Ferry-Tale of Froy motivates some people to push themselves to new accomplishments, maybe there is some good out of it. But as for the accomplishments of the real Froy, I don't think they would measure up to the Tale.
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Quote:
He can't join the MLS without a broker in California.. so comps would be difficult.

Are you sure there's no affiliate status available? Most boards I've seen sell affiliate status for appraisers and licensees from other boards. I know you don't have to be a broker or associated with a broker to get access to my local MLS, in fact you don't even need to be licensed.


To join the MLS in his area he would need to be employed under a designated Broker. An appraiser may join, but under their appraisal company, and he is not a licensed appraiser.

In order to join a cooperating board, your broker MUST join too.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Weren't you just complaining at me for "assuming too much" about YOU? Now you're doing the same about him.


No, actually, I'm being criticized for not believing all the crap online about him. And everyone is "assuming" he does this or does that because all the talk here is "Maybe he's in investor" or "Maybe he just doesn't want to pay the fees" or "Maybe this" or "Maybe that."

The only concrete evidence we have of anything is that single license on the Cali DRE that is NOT associated with any broker, he does not have a broker license, only a salesperson license...

The only evidence given here shows that he's probably operating illegally. The "proof" we've had is all heresay and one single interview that basically tells us he operates as a normal agent.

Yet if he does operate as an agent, not as an assistant to an agent - then he is doing it illegally.

My comments are all based on what has been said here in this thread, what has been found (the license on the DRE website), and what he has said himself in the interview.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:49 AM

The only thing I'm certain about is that somewhere, sometime, Froy Candelario will Google his own name, find this thread, and have a good laugh...

If he hasn't already.

Posted by: pastmember

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:52 AM

Not a bad neighborhood he lives in:
1705 Parthenia St. Northridge CA
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:52 AM

I don't think Froy believes in Google. He could be his own franchise, if he unleashed the power of the internet with his own super dynamic powerful awesome real estate business model.

heck, he could be the bill gates of real estate.... wink
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: SummersAtTheLake
Not a bad neighborhood he lives in:
1705 Parthenia St. Northridge CA


Well heck, I'd live there too if I had the smarts to operate without having to pay for MLS fees....dang.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: SummersAtTheLake
Not a bad neighborhood he lives in:
1705 Parthenia St. Northridge CA


I found that the other day but thought is might be a little too personal to post here. Anyway, I zoomed in to try to see those Lamborghinis and Ferraris parked out front. No luck.

You know, many super-rich keep a public record of a home in a reasonable neighborhood while keeping their large estate home well-hidden, by registering the deed in a corporate name, etc.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: estatereal
he might not be a realtor so there is a chance that he would not be in any nar publication.

i have googled him as well and have only found the stuff that you guys have posted here.

he might be old school and could operate without a website.



Not being a Realtor may answer why he double ends everything, unless he iss one of those sleazy foreclosure agents that hides their listings from other legit agents.

If this guy came knocking at my door at 6:30 in the morning, he probably wouldn't be leaving standing up, LOL!

Like the saying goes, fake it until you make it.

I sell 20 million dollar homes: I do, I haven't yet, but I do sell them if given the opportunity... Of course I wouldn't mention the last part... He has all of you talking about him, so now he will say all agents know him and talk about him... Making his own fame, even though it is all made up.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:04 PM

The house listed above in Northridge isn't under his name, but his license is... I checked title for any property and the last name is popular, but there is nothing close to the first name other than Francisco.

None of the homes noted with the same last name are of any real value, California wise.

I think someone is playing games to sell CDs and DVDs for coaching when they themselves wouldn't do what they push.

Keep your money in your pocket and be creative. They get rich by selling their crap not by selling real estate. We are in an industry where we can be in heaavy debt and rich over night. Go where the buyers are at and make yourself visible, it will happen if you have the personality.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:12 PM

Quote:
I think someone is playing games to sell CDs and DVDs for coaching when they themselves wouldn't do what they push.


That's what I've been thinking all along, and it really isn't that far fetched to believe it is a gimmick.

IF it is a gimmick, and this is a BIG IF, I'm not assuming, just pondering: IF it is a gimmick, it is beyond sad on all levels - sad that so many people fall for it hook, line, and sinker without question, and not only fall for it but help perpetuate the lie; sad that someone has to resort to such a ploy to drum up interest in his product.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:26 PM

When running the information given, Froylan Jaramillo and Catalina Candelario are renting their home? Making that much money and you don't even own a house?

I guess if someone was really interested in finding out, they could call Catalina at Century 21 La Hacienda. That is if she will be on the up and up with you.

If I was making that much money, I wouldn't let my wife be working for another brokerage. She would be kicking back in the Caribian, LOL!

Could be interesting.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR


No, actually, I'm being criticized for not believing all the crap online about him. And everyone is "assuming" he does this or does that because all the talk here is "Maybe he's in investor" or "Maybe he just doesn't want to pay the fees" or "Maybe this" or "Maybe that."

The only concrete evidence we have of anything is that single license on the Cali DRE that is NOT associated with any broker, he does not have a broker license, only a salesperson license...

The only evidence given here shows that he's probably operating illegally. The "proof" we've had is all heresay and one single interview that basically tells us he operates as a normal agent.

Yet if he does operate as an agent, not as an assistant to an agent - then he is doing it illegally.

My comments are all based on what has been said here in this thread, what has been found (the license on the DRE website), and what he has said himself in the interview.



Why don't you call, introduce yourself, tell them the above, that they're a fraud, acting illegal, scamming people etc. and that you will report it to the authorities. Then come back and let us know what happens with the resulting investigation. It would be interesting so we can finally put it to rest without speculating any longer.

Here is the contact information, posted earlier:

Cathy Candelario
Superstar Realty
15342 San Fernando Mission
Mission Hills, CA 91345
Toll Free: 888-224-4100
Business: 818-361-0090
Facsimile: 818-838-2291
Email: superstar-realty@hotmail.com

Orangecrest can help by calling the Mike Ferry organization:

The Mike Ferry Organization
Phone: 800-448-8423
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:52 PM


The 888 number yields a busy signal. the business number is just an answering machine.
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:56 PM

FYI I did email the hotmail address a couple days ago saying i was impressed with what i had heard and wondering what training/shadowing opportunities are were available and have not heard back from them yet.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR

The 888 number yields a busy signal. the business number is just an answering machine.


You may have called during his door knocking. Try again later when he's doing this 3:30-4:30pm listing appointments. He often juggles three phones at once. Keep trying!

Posted by: Jennifer Allan

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 03:00 PM

I'll bet this guy provides tremendous service to his clients. smirk
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 03:09 PM

I called the office once more and once again got the answering machine. The 888 is still busy.

Very impressive. He has an answering machine - he must be real!

Calling the Fax number:

"We're sorry. You have reached a number that has been disconnected or is no longer in service."

Sure sounds legit to me.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 03:59 PM

He only makes calls he doesn't take them smile
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
He only makes calls he doesn't take them smile


Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:21 PM

And since he double ends all his deals, he has no need for a fax!

Shoot, he probably also does all his own mortgages too, so he'd never need a fax anyway.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:22 PM

THIS JUST CAME TO ME:

Email: superstar-realty@hotmail.com

His email is freaking HOTMAIL?

I get people telling me that my gmail is not "professional" enough and I should have my email as my own domain, but he's got a freaking HOTMAIL address?

The top agent in the USA uses HOTMAIL as his provider?

Come on, people.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:28 PM

Perky, if you remember in his interview he does everything the old fashioned way. He doesn't keep abreast of computers, the Internet, or confusing technology like fax machines. Those are nothing more than annoyances which might cloud his mind from the goal of knocking on 400 doors each day.

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:30 PM

*smacks head.

Of course! Sorry for the lapse.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 04:45 PM

Don't care for Mike Ferry and this post says a lot about why and how right I was about these "Gurus."

they make a killing off those agents that are new to the industry or become glazed and are willing to take the chance of being suckered.

Mike Ferry's clan calls here and there, but I have them blocked.

Who is this Cathy? His wife, or who ever she is, is named Catalina. They both have the same address on their licenses. Run it by the last name through the DRE.

How does it feel to be blind sided by a story teller aided by a circus side show? You know they use to have these guys come through town in the old west holding their medicine shows.

They ran them out of town...

One question comes to mind, if you made $22,000,000 in one year, don't you think there would be at least one news article about you? No marketing? And are you going to do this out of a little 1,800 sq/ft shack that Zillow has valued at $535K (we all know the values of Zillow)? Not to mention in Northridge? Not from the area? It isn't Beverly Hills or even matching your average American town.

You may recall the news stories on TV during the earth quake that hit Northridge, not impressive and deffiantly not a place that you would rake in $22,000,000 in commissions...

Anyone from the LA boards have any stats?
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 05:12 PM

I think all of the participants in this Thread should start an On-Line Private Investigation Firm to "Out" these perps in our little Real Estate World. Such a vengeance and a degree of thoroughness most A.G.s would give their Eye Teeth for !

Since it was conceived on 7/24, I never clicked on this Topic thinking I'll do that when I get around to it, and here we are 6 days later and now there are 14 Pages !

I certainly don't want to get on the receiving end of this kind of research ! I guess it's better to just avoid being a Fake, a Phoney or a Fraud !
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 05:37 PM

200!!

OK odds that I will make a post that says
300!!!?
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 05:38 PM

LOL Vermont007!!

I think we have fallen into his little ploy... Actually anyone willing to do a little more research by clicking the links would find out different, especially this thread.

If you run his name through the search engine, it always comes up with "Do you know Froy Candelario?" Top US Agent... What a clown!

All post (not articles, post to places like these threads that anyone can post to) about him are in broken English and about some sad story how he illegally got here.

Now the search engines pick up this and disperse it across the web. Sounds like something Mike Ferry would push... Fake it until you make it and it will become reality...

Kind of like the saying "Build it and they will come."

We will probably see him being lead off in handcuffs like the many other agents that decided to go down that dark path...

I guess more power to him if it works, but I hate being caught in lies.

Agents know everything at the tips of their fingers.

We have one local agent that was getting REOs by saying he has been in the business for 25 years and owned a brokerage... Has all these listings, buyers, etc, etc...

He is a salesperson since 2002 and him owning the brokerage was news to the broker, LOL!! Then there is the MLS that tracks your history.

Two web sites shoots him down: DRE and MLS.

How embarrasing, I will pass...

Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 05:38 PM

Now that we know Froy is a fraud, will this thread hit 300?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 06:06 PM

This may well turn into the most popular thread on here....long running threads are fun.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 06:35 PM

Who here has access to see if his IP address matches a few other low numbered members here that recently registered (see if the first post's IP comes back to Northridge)? I should start a post about me selling so many multi-million dollar estates. Will you guys help me out by posting things about me and how you have seen me at some viewings? Especially when I was at Britney Spears' estate in Malibu when she was selling it?

That was great, Britney and I were running along the Malibu Beach and hanging out all day... I told her that we were such great friends that I felt she should list with another agent because I was to busy selling all the other estates in Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Brentwood and Malibu...

It could happen... Hey what are you guys laughing about? Britney and I are real close. We both go to Starbucks and like going to the mall... Well, her Starbucks is in Santa Monica and mine is in Riverside, her Mall is in Los Angeles, mine agian is in Riverside... But we connect, seriously we do...

LOL!! See even in the internet environment I can't pull it off...
Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 06:39 PM

OK here is what I STILL dont get.

IF Froy is a creation by Froy that is one thing

IF Froy is a creation of Ferry thats completely different. Why would he risk so much on something that is so easy to disprove? Seriously, if he did so, and was caught there is a much higher down side than the benefit he would get if he pulled it off.

Second, it appears he has so many other successful real estate agents he works with that are real why would he need to create this one myth? With the names he interviews on a regular basis he really doesnt need to do this so still have a hard time seeing why he would.

Yes I am becoming more skeptical of Froy.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 06:48 PM

Let's have poll to see how many attend Mike Ferry's siminars. You have a hole lot of seasoned agents here that see right through these "gurus."

Like they say, it is all in the perception. When you graduate from law school it is well known that you should get an expensive car, get expensive suits, fix up your office, etc, etc, which makes it look like you are a very successful attorney. Then the business will follow because the perception is you are very successful and you must be good, even though your client has no idea that they are your first client and are depending on everything simply because you dress the part.

Believe me, this site is all you need, and it is free!
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 07:08 PM

Oh Come On!!

I am trying to read through these post and I am about to puke!

People replying with 4 total post, 14 post, 11 etc etc...

How can you double end an active listing when it isn't yours?

Can't be sued for contract interference if you are not a Realtor? What? That isn't a Realtor violation of ethics, that is contract law!

If you are not approved by the mortgage company you don't get to see the Froy... Excuse me, I have to clean off my keyborad that I just puked on...

Reminds me of the commercial that Cybil Sheapard (don't care about the spelling) that said, "Don't hate me because I am beautiful... Waaa Waaa Waaaaa!!!

I am willing to bet these post are being generated by Froy himself... The way this thread has turned, he is probably setting the noose over the garage rafters as we speak...

That isn't a pretty sight. I know of an agent that walked into a house an came across a homeowner who hung himself from the patio cover. Hope Catalina has life insurance on him. May be she will be able to escape Northridge, LOL!!
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 07:54 PM

easy to solve the problem, ask someone who is close to his house or the real estate office and ask to see him or knock on the door trying to sell his house.......door knocking... or do a BPO on him.... Drive by only.........someone can offer $50..j/k
Posted by: Stacy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 08:22 PM

I have a very good friend who was a coach for MFO for years. I sent him an email about this discussion. Here's the email:

Howdy my friend!
I spend a lot of time on a website board where agents share ideas about BPOs and REOs. There is a very heated discussion about and agent named Froy Candelario who was supposedly coached by Mike Ferry. His story is rather unbelievable. Sells 1500 homes a year, makes 3 cold calls at a time using 2 headsets and a speaker phone, etc.

Just wondered if you knew anything about him from your MFO days. Is this guy for real?
Stacy

(His response)
Yes! My bud (name removed)shadowed him on two occasions and said it was freakin unreal!!! He also has a natural niche that he is the only agent of his ethnic demographic in a market loaded with his people. Not taking anything away, but we don’t have the same advantage.
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 08:33 PM

any photo to share? someone must have been his client here in the forum... pls share your story...
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Stacey
Yes! My bud (name removed)shadowed him on two occasions and said it was freakin unreal!!!


That's another anecdote from a Mike Ferry fan who knows someone who knows Froy!

I think there can be a great deal to be gained from coaching and mentoring. But there is a fine line between coaching and mentoring and hypnotism. I think this may be a case of that line being crossed.

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 08:55 PM

He's the only Mexican agent in his market - in Southern California.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:04 PM

Quote:
OK here is what I STILL dont get.

IF Froy is a creation by Froy that is one thing

IF Froy is a creation of Ferry thats completely different. Why would he risk so much on something that is so easy to disprove? Seriously, if he did so, and was caught there is a much higher down side than the benefit he would get if he pulled it off.

Second, it appears he has so many other successful real estate agents he works with that are real why would he need to create this one myth? With the names he interviews on a regular basis he really doesnt need to do this so still have a hard time seeing why he would.


To create interest. To generate traffic. To get people to read his books. Several people on this thread have claimed to be motivated by the story, whether or not it's real, and that's the point of this character.

Adams Outdoor Advertising created a fake product called Outhouse Springs Bottled Water. The put advertisements for the fake (and mildly revolting) water on billboards in several states. there were several in my area. It was outrageous - but it worked so well that people were going into stores demanding that they order Outhouse Springs and it eventually led to the actual but short lived production of the bottled water.

http://humor.about.com/b/2004/02/24/outhouse-springs.htm

The difference of course is that Adams was very up front (after a while) about the fakeness of it's product. I figured from the get-go that it had to be some kind of joke. Being a skeptic really does rain on the fun I suppose, but I still enjoyed the campaign and was looking for more billboards every time I went out. Which was what Adams wanted - they wanted something to show to their customers (and potential customers) that their product (billboard advertising)works and works well.

This Froy character becomes more and more impossible to believe - not only is he the top grossing real estate agent in the USA, he does it without a valid license, without a working fax, with a hotmail email address, an 800 number that is always busy - but he is also the ONLY Hispanic / Mexican agent in his Southern California / Los Angeles Market?

Come on, this gets more and more ridiculous as we continue! Next thing we'll hear that Froy sold the Golden Gate!
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:07 PM

LOMAO!!! Have you been to Northridge? I have agents hitting up my listing ALL THE TIME from this area, and yes, most are Hispanic...

From there, Whitter, all over... He deffiantly IS NOT the only Hispanic agent from that area.

How many "of his kind" does it take to come up with $22,000,000 worth of commissions?

I calculated it out for a 4% commission return on sales, what would his sales have to be. My calculator said no frekin' way!

It spit out 5.5E8... or $550,000,000 in sales... Half a billion dollars in sales in a year? Is this really possible with $300K to $550K homes? At $400K, that would be roughly 1222.2 homes per year, or just over 100 per month or 23.5 per week or 3.4 closed escrows per day... And we all know nothing runs like clock work so there wouldn't be the perfect spread...
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:29 PM

Like I said, it becomes even more ridiculous as time goes on. Next thing you know, Froy will be running for President.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent

That's another anecdote from a Mike Ferry fan who knows someone who knows Froy!

I think there can be a great deal to be gained from coaching and mentoring. But there is a fine line between coaching and mentoring and hypnotism. I think this may be a case of that line being crossed.



Do you realize that the top KWs coach, Dianna Kokoszka, VP of the MAPS Institute, used to be a top Mike Ferry coach and agent in Denver,Colorado? Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, as I admit I'm not perfect.

Also, if and when or perhaps you've already done so, you go through their online training, the role playing videos for Expireds and FSBO's is done also by top MF students and producers or in some instances ex- MF students. Two of them owners of KW agencies in their respective markets.

Mike Ferry's scripts and training are so entrenched in the KW model, and here you are, almost seems as he is the enemy to you...and Texas Agent if I have misread you, please correct me and my apologies in advance.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:35 PM

Actually I think the issue is that there are several in this thread suspecting that Froy (or at least, his wild business statistics) is a "Ferry Tale" - thus, being "confirmed" by a Ferry representative is not really all that credible.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: swflagent
Mike Ferry's scripts and training are so entrenched in the KW model, and here you are, almost seems as he is the enemy to you...and Texas Agent if I have misread you, please correct me and my apologies in advance.


From my previous post:

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
I think there can be a great deal to be gained from coaching and mentoring.


Does that clear things up?

yay
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:42 PM

Actually if you read the book exerpt, Froy is nothing like the one set up in this thread.

He door knocks from 10 to 5 daily. His goal is to do 240 to 260 transactions annually while working 8 hours or less per day. He has 6 assistants who help him knock on 400 doors per day.

I think we've been suckered into a giant game of internet telephone (hey, did you hear about so and so ... remember that game? the final story was always wildly different than the way it started) and I think it's to get people to read Ferry's book and sign up for his coaching because they were so motivated by the message boards.

Maybe Froy the person IS real but the legend surely is not...and the fact is, his license status is still an issue.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:45 PM

Perky,

I for one I'm not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. You can believe what you want. I think your eloquence and great stories speak volumes regarding your feelings about Froy and you have really, really made your point and so have others.

It's almost not about Froy, or seeking the truth...it feels like a tug of war. One group vs the other.

Am I saying I believe everything about Froy? Absolutely not. Let's turn this around into something more positive.

Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:45 PM

I will say this about coaching programs and motivational seminars. One thing I've learned is that you can NEVER question anything being taught in such an environment, no matter how ridiculous it is on it's face.

I was in a training session the other day in my office and some numbers were tossed up on the board by the instructor... I immediately recognized that they were flawed... but I had absolutely nothing to gain by pointing that out.

So yes, I take what I can from training and coaching. At the same time I realize the true benefit of motivational training seminars is to overcome our own fears. Sometimes the facts and figures being bandied about don't add up... but that really isn't the point.

And that isn't the point about Froy. I suspect there is some truth to the Froy story. I don't believe for a moment that he's a 'fictional' character made up by Ferry or anyone else. But I also believe we aren't getting the whole story. And Ferry's point in interviewing Froy wasn't to provide the whole story, but to motivate others to get out and knock on doors. So to the extent that Ferry and Froy have done that... it may be of some benefit.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Well I'm going to try to turn a rather contentious thread into something positive and then bail out for good...

We've hashed this out for a week with little new information discovered. I think we can each come to our own conclusion about the reasons that verifiable information seems to be so elusive. So I'll sum up what I think I'm going to take away from this thread and then be done with it...

- Prospecting and lead generation are the crux of our business.
- A strong work ethic, business strategy, daily goals and plan, and ACTION to implement that plan are crucial.
- Coaching and motivational seminars can be an effective tool to keep our focus on our goals and to generate a great level of 'excitement.'
- I think all of us can aspire to be as dedicated, motivated, and focused as legendary Superstar agent Froy Candelario.

yay

I'm with Texas agent...this is what this should be about and what I believe the original poster's intentions were.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:51 PM

For me it really is about the truth.

I really think that wild exaggerations and tall tales do a disservice to our profession because so many have been guilty of just that - to the point of fraud - in the past and even now (one of NAR's 30 under 30 from last year was in hot water for helping commit mortgage fraud or something...)

I don't think it's necessary to lie. Just tell the truth. Whoever started these stories annoys me. LOL

I will take back my suspicion that Froy is not even a real person - I really can't prove that he is or he isn't - but I really don't like being lied to.

I'm glad it's motivating for some, but me - I'm more motivated by TRUE stories. No need to embellish with hyperbole.

And while it's been motivating for some it's been wasteful for me - I've been at this like a terrier with a rat and I should have been doing something much more productive.

Like having a glass of wine or something. wink
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 09:55 PM

I hear you Perky, I should be working real estate more and instead I'm addicted to this Forum...LOL

laugh
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: swflagent
I hear you Perky, I should be working real estate more and instead I'm addicted to this Forum...LOL

laugh

I wouldn't discount the value of participating in forums like this. Some of the advice is great. Some less than great. I think most of us are discriminating enough to know the difference.

The good thing about this forum is that is provides a safe place for us to share ideas and opinions and information. So while I try to limit my time in this forum... I don't feel guilty about the time I do spend here. It's much more relevant to my career than the time spent in political forums, or sports forums, or gardening forums.

And best of all... it's free. (Unlike some coaching and mentoring seminars.)

rockon
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:14 PM

Well, that's of course how I justify my time here - I'm learning.

wink

Kidding aside, I have learned a lot from this forum, and hopefully I've been helpful to others as well - I've been on this forum since I was just a Perky_Assistant, before I was a REALTOR, and I consider most of my time here well spent.

Today however I should have been following up with more of my IRL business, and I have hatched a plan to connect with my old leads and the emails in my inbox that I no longer recognize...and have I been developing that?

No, I've been sitting here arguing about the only Mexican agent in Arleta California who is the number one agent in the USA without a valid license and a disconnected fax.

What exactly I learned in this thread remains to be seen! LOL
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:21 PM

I view participation in this forum not only as a way of picking up new information, but as a tool to hone my skills, knowledge and plans. I've been working on my business plan the past few days and came across this gem...

Quote:

The real value of creating a business plan is not in having the finished product in hand; rather, the value lies in the process of researching and thinking about your business in a systematic way. The act of planning helps you to think things through thoroughly, study and research if you are not sure of the facts, and look at your ideas critically. It takes time now, but avoids costly, perhaps disastrous, mistakes later.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:28 PM

In light of the post above here's my additional thought about this thread (I know I promised to bail out long ago but it seems to be the thread that won't die!):

I watch the top producers in my office, my market area, and even nationally. I examine their web sites. I try to understand how they work, why they are successful, and what tools and skills they have that I might also use to take my business to the next level.

But here's the crucial part... I KNOW that these agents are top producers. I can verify their accomplishments. I can see and witness their results. So I trust that by emulating them I will also have success.

Unfortunately Froy's success has been a little difficult to verify. So I wouldn't run out and emulate his 'business model' until I had a little better information.

Sound reasonable?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:35 PM

Yes, it sounds VERY reasonable.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:40 PM

Indeed.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 10:43 PM

Common Sense answers everything when two and two don't equal four.

He has a Lamborghini makes $22,000,000 per year, lives in a $450K, 1800 sq ft home (rented, not even his own home) in Northridge.

Lamborghini plus the others equals DEA kicking in the doors, or, home envasion robbery.

Why would anyone in the world own a Lamborghini and not throw money towards some other goodies? $22,000,000 in income and no tax write offs?

Give me a BREAK! He would be funding the war efforts with this much disposable income!

It's not even 25%, legit!
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/08 11:04 PM

This just in: Froy Candelario is the President of Nigeria and needs YOUR help to move $22 million out of the country.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 12:07 AM

i have taken away a lot of great information that has grown my business and i like to contribute what i can when i can so that others might take away what i have taken away. i know i spend a lot of time on here, but i do find it productive. plus i can read and type while my phone is ringing(outgoing calls) and it is a great way to break monotony in hte day. sometimes i dont have a chance to get on the forums, like today. this week i have 3 listing appointments and have taken all 3 expireds at a much reduced and saleable price. i attribute much of that to people on the forum who have helped me.

i have had help from agents on the forums who have helped me "tweak" my listing presentation to personal phone calls answering questions that i have had.

i have read other re forums and i dont like the others like i like this one mainly because of the quality of answers that are given. this forum is pretty darn solid compared to others. i dont read any other forum now.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 12:14 AM

LOL@Realdealer!!

estatereal, I'm not questioning the value of the forum, just this thread. LOL
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 12:19 AM

Before this Thread, I didn't even know how to spell Lamborghini; but now I need to be able to pronounce it.

I checked and the Closest repair shop is in Montreal, Quebec, about 140 KM away, so I won't bother. When it has a problem, or needs an Oil Change, I'll throw it away and order new.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
LOL@Realdealer!!

estatereal, I'm not questioning the value of the forum, just this thread. LOL



i was just totally agreeing with your earlier post on the help of hte forums.

i must admit this has been one of hte most interesting threads in quite some time!

_________________________________
i want Froy to post!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 12:29 AM

yes, I haven't been this involved in a thread since I got ensnared in an obese wife discussion on the old Yahoo message boards a few years ago - that thread ended up with thousands and thousands of posts...after the first 1500 posts, the thread deteriorated into an "off topic" chat thread, and when newbs came along and tried to get us back on topic, he was ridiculed and told to read the first 1500 posts and then come back. Or not.

LOL
Posted by: tony1911

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 03:28 AM

I cant even find the post now with all the pages to this thing..but ...

even though I havent done a listing presentation yet..I agree with what Texas Agent said...

I dont think you really need a big binder with all sorts of stuff....maybe some info about you..and area comps that your potential client might find of interest....

Just talk to them....listen take notes......discuss what you can do....etc......

Also someone mentioned money as major motivation.....I would beg to differ slightly....money is quite nice..but I think more flexibiity in your day is more important to me....with a nice living coming very close to that....
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 01:54 PM

I'm still baffled as to why Catalina Candelario would be working for Century 21 if she is related to Froy. Her C21 office has 16 agents who together have 4 listings, according to the office website.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 05:25 PM

Wow. I am the original poster of this thread:)

Someone had mentioned that they thought I was Froy...nope. I am a Realtor in Minnesota.

I have no affiliation of any kind with Mike Ferry. I am in a coaching program called "Top Agent Tool Box" by Jeff Wilhems.

I know that Froy is real. Haven't met him, but have heard directly from dozens of people that have shadowed him, or know him from the Mike Ferry conferences, etc.

Mike Ferry himself is worth around 60 million...according to Mike Ferry. There is no need for him to have made up some fictional character.

I have heard several of the top "100" Realtors in the country talk about Froy and how much business he has done. Jeff Quintin, Karen Bernardi, martinex, carlos justo, etc, etc.

There is a guy named "borino" on this board who has personally gone door to door with Froy.

I have heard from several people that have gone and shadowed Froy and every one of them states they can not believe how hard he works....

The point of my original post was just to try and find out more about his business model.

It is suspicious to me that there is so little known about his business. I think that is where most of us are incredulous.

But if you listen to that Karen Bernardi interview posted several pages back...Where Karen states she wants to make 4.5 million in commisions this year..Mike Ferry tells her that Froy's goal for the year is 22 million.

I was blown away when i heard that..wanted to find out more about how he does that.
So i registered here, cause this was about the only place on the web that had any info on him.

So after 16 pages there is still not much known about Froy:)
But I do know that he is a real person..as far a confirming his numbers...i can't.

But if he sold 800 homes at $500,000 each...that would be $400 million.
If he double ended everyone of them like he says he does....
$400 million (6%) = 24 million

So his numbers do work out...

I will admit the thing about his license,etc, that is strange to me.

But he does have a sweet watch and a rolls royce and lamborghini:))
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
But he does have a sweet watch and a rolls royce and lamborghini:))


He may well have a sweet watch and a rolls royce and lamborghini. But let's solve the riddle of his business to see how he earned those toys.

yay
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 06:58 PM

ok, breaktime... here are some fun photos regarding real estate..

http://ebestagent.com/funny-real-estate-photos/
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 10:05 PM

here's the #1 in USA, also a discussion about Froy Candelario in comments

http://activerain.com/blogsview/279179/TOP-BROKER-Dolly-Lenz

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3601/is_23_51/ai_n9481464

http://www.dollylenz.com/

Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 10:15 PM

Dolly is universally hated by every broker in manhatten...along with michael schvo.

Months ago when that one agent was killed by her assistant...the other brokers were quoted in the newspapers saying they were hoping it was DOlly.
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
This just in: Froy Candelario is the President of Nigeria and needs YOUR help to move $22 million out of the country.





AHAHAHAHAHA Funniest thing I have ever read on this forum!
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 11:04 PM



For your viewing pleasure
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/31/08 11:47 PM

Quote:
Dolly is universally hated by every broker in manhatten

When your competition hopes your assistant killed you, you know you're doing something right!
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 12:03 AM

Figuratively yes...literally no.

Read about her...she is HATED.

Has stated she talks to her kids (teenagers) less than 15 minutes a week.

Not my idea of a success.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
When your competition hopes your assistant killed you, you know you're doing something right!


Perhaps. Perhaps not.

I don't think it's wise to talk down our competition, even when they deserve it. But I think there are many very successful people in this business, and the business world in general, who are probably VERY lonely and miserable in their private lives. It's possible they enjoy being miserable and enjoy wreaking havoc on others, who knows. And yes, they may make millions doing it.

We each can choose which successful business figures we'd like to emulate and model. But do we really want to be the Leona Helmsley of real estate? I've met some agents who seem to relish that idea. Not my kind of people.

I will say this, though. Putting competitors out of business is not necessarily a sign of ruthlessness or mean-spiritedness. That's simply healthy competition. And it can be done without having people spit on your grave.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 12:12 AM

Quote:
Has stated she talks to her kids (teenagers) less than 15 minutes a week.

That might explain it if her kids hate her. But why does her competition hate her?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:54 AM

Someone should post that picture on the Fail Blog!

THanks for the link to the pictures, they were great! I love the "Holy Cow, Who Squealed!??" and the "Lemonade: $6.2 Million. Free House with Lemonade!"

LOL
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 07:00 AM

Someone who loved Lost in Space grew up and built a house like the Jupiter 2.
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 08:20 AM

I suppose most Golfers would already know how to spell COURSE; but evidently the "Approved" RE/Max Sign Maker doesn't have software to check for Homonyms BEFORE committing to paint these Sign Toppers with the wrong word.

Now we'll have to go add C O U R S E and C O A R S E to our growing list of commonly confused Real Estate Homonyms.

It may be that this Georgia Country Club just happens to be a Very Coarse Course ! (i.e. a very rough one) Always bring extra Balls because they will be worn down a whole lot in the course of 18 coarse holes ! After a round on the Coarse Course, you can relax in the Club House with some of their famed CousCous.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 08:56 AM

*LOL*
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Vermont007

Now we'll have to go add C O U R S E and C O A R S E to our growing list of commonly confused Real Estate Homonyms.


LOL...while we are it how about G U L F and G O L F?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 09:17 AM

carl1234, if you can find it - somewhere there is a link to Mike Ferry's book that mentions Froy. Within that book are much more sensible numbers. Froy hopes to close about 250 or 260 deals in the coming year and working only 8 hours a day. Currently he closes less than that but works 15 hours a day.

He door knocks with the help of a few assistants. According to the book, he door knocks from 10 in the morning until 4 or 5 in the afternoon.

The book gives a vastly different Froy than the one orginally discussed here and other places online. LOL. So there is a Real Froy, and there is the Legend Froy.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:36 AM

For you Froy & Ferry unquestioning believers: Can you post some evidence that Froy sold even just 200 homes last year? How about 100? Can you prove he sold 50? How about some transaction addresses and dates to go with all these boastful claims? Anyone know which e&o insurance company would insure a sales agent working without a broker, who double ends every deal?
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
carl1234, if you can find it - somewhere there is a link to Mike Ferry's book that mentions Froy. Within that book are much more sensible numbers. Froy hopes to close about 250 or 260 deals in the coming year and working only 8 hours a day. Currently he closes less than that but works 15 hours a day.

He door knocks with the help of a few assistants. According to the book, he door knocks from 10 in the morning until 4 or 5 in the afternoon.

The book gives a vastly different Froy than the one orginally discussed here and other places online. LOL. So there is a Real Froy, and there is the Legend Froy.


A lot has been going on on this thread. Perky, are you talking about the "... six figure income" book? If so...that book is pretty old. The numbers were relative to numbers back in early 1990's, I believe.

To no one in particular,

These numbers were given to the audience by Froy, or some who called himself Froy whistle, at MFO seminar in I attended 1998 in Buena Park, CA:

Jan 1998 -5,011 contacts...242 appointments... 46 closed sales.
Feb. 1998- 4900 contacts... 30 sales

The other panelist over a 42 day period:

Each agent averaged ... 1434 contacts... 42 appt... 32 listings taken. (Closed info not provided)

the numbers may be off a bit, but hopefully you get the point. Should I think they were all frauds also?

If his goal is current $22 mil... may be his "stretch" goal. What's wrong with that? The numbers he annually puts up, may make that #, HIS reality. More power to him. I hope he makes it. Originally, I just wanted to clarify that he is real. I have no resaon to doubt him.

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned the word ignorant and some may have taken offese to that. Well, in the context which I used the word, I feel it is appropriate. I don't mean anyone is "stupid". I think most of you have an agenda or don't understand the Mike Ferry system. That's all. There's one poster here who clearly has an agenda is always talking about "taking care" of his / her clients and customer service. Well, if the poster knew anything about what Mike Ferry teaches he /she would know that Ferry clearly states... "there is a direct correlation between the income you earn and the service (value) you provide to your clients." I think we all agree that customer service is a very important part of our business.

Anyway for all of you who are constantly, begging for "evidence". Give it a rest. No matter what anyone says, you can't or don't want to understand how he does it. Hell, neither do I! Posting what may be his persoanl info is kind of silly, isn't it?
I'm sure there are those of you who will pick apart my post. That's okay. You are entitled to your opinion.

You... including me... do business the way you'd like... and others will do the same. We CAN co-exist. Heck, many of you either have been in the business for 15 minutes or will be out in the next 15 minutes... so what does it matter?
Have a great weekend!


Sincerely,

SoCal
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 05:32 PM

actually I do want to know how he does it without a broker...
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCal
Anyway for all of you who are constantly, begging for "evidence". Give it a rest. No matter what anyone says, you can't or don't want to understand how he does it.


I don't know, if you read on a medical message forum that there was a doctor in California who cured 50 patients a day of cancer with a 100% success rate, spending only five minutes with each, who didn't bother keeping abreast of the latest technology because he did everything the 'old fashioned way,' would you ask for evidence?

Or would that be too much for you to ask?

crazy
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:01 PM

SoCal: So, you're telling us that the proof that Froy does the fantastic amount of business that is alleged is because he said so back in 1998? Now that is silly. You're in Southern California, how about posting 25 transactions that Froy did in the last year (that would mean from August 1, 2007 through July 31, 2008). Just list the address, COE date and the escrow/title company involved of twenty-five deals that Froy double-ended. I suppose you're gonna say that you don't know the COE date or escrow/title company of 25 deals. Well then, just post 25 addresses of homes that Froy sold in the last year. The owners I am sure will rave about what an amazing guy he is.
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:07 PM

I can take 30 listings a month and it wouldn't take anywhere near 5,000 contacts. Selling them would be a different story though!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:18 PM

Why don't we just let this thread degenerate into an off topic nonsense thread? It would be just as productive...

silly
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:29 PM

I already tried that Perky, someone brought it back on topic..
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 06:34 PM

i agree. this thread started out great, but has degenerated to nothing but talking about how crappy this thread has become!(i just added to it /doh)
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: estatereal
i agree. this thread started out great, but has degenerated to nothing but talking about how crappy this thread has become!(i just added to it /doh)


With all due respect, I don't believe this thread ever started out that great. That was the problem with it all along.

I will say this thread has had it's fun moments. But let me get back to business for a moment.

I contacted one of my connections in CA who became intrigued with this mystery and offered to do some 'spy work.' He can't verify Froy's production numbers, but at least he was able to get a snapshot of Froy while doing his daily door-knocking. He's promised to email it to me when he gets back to his office and I'll post it here as soon as I receive it...

cool
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 07:31 PM

that is great news
Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 07:35 PM

Texas, you're kidding! A real honest-to-god picture of a Mexican in Los Angeles? What are the odds! This should put all the nay-sayers to shame!

All kidding aside, how does he know it was Froy? Does he go door-knocking with his Rolls, Rolex and crisp white shirt w/vest? Or did he get close enough to hear him say: "Hello, I'm Froy Candelario..." to the homeowners?
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: RealDealer
All kidding aside, how does he know it was Froy?


My friend asked to remain anonymous. But he apparently had heard of Froy through some past networking with Douglas Dollarhide, someone who he claims is well-connected in the Northridge community. I called him several days ago and he said he'd check into it and apparently he was able to find Froy's office. What he told me is that the office is not open to the public. But he was able to watch the comings and goings and was interested enough to spend a few hours checking this all out. From what he told me on the phone earlier much of what we've been told seems to check out. At least in terms of the schedule anyway. And apparently he does drive a Lamborghini.

confused
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 09:16 PM

I am in possession of a series of photos that I think are pretty indisputable. I suppose we naysayers now have some apologizing to do. The first image shows a man identified as Froy door knocking shortly after 6am. Apparently several agents in his 'shadow program' were with him today. After several hours he allowed them to do the knocking and seemed to be critiquing them on their performances. He does indeed wear a suit while knocking and finished up mid-afternoon before heading back to his office in his Lamborghini.

Posted by: DeanMesaAZ

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 09:37 PM

/thread?

Dang it i just realised this is going to make this tread last through 300. I was 100 and 200 but i have RE school tomorrow so wont be able to be 300 :-(
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:01 PM

I don't think most people in this thread doubted there is a person named Froy. The issue is the fantastic claim that he double ends 800 transactions a year without using the MLS and without having a broker's license and without working for a broker. Do you have any information documenting any transactions he has closed this year? In California, you can't list someone's home to sell without working under a broker's license. It's illegal. If Froy is not propertly licensed, every buyer and seller involved in a transaction with him would be entitled to a return of the fees paid in commission and some would be able to rescind their transactions if they didn't like what happened in the market.

The photos don't answer two questions: Do Ferry and Froy exaggerate Froy's alleged sales to help Ferry sell seminars, coaching and other goodies? And is Froy properly licensed for his activities?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:17 PM

That guy looks too tall to be Froy, unless the lady at the house is a dwarf. Isn't Froy supposed to be 5' 4" or something?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:18 PM

And who wears long, hooded parkas in Los Angeles anyway?

Texas, I think yer tellin' a tall tale here... wink
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:21 PM

interesting photos,

please post more photos,
i think you have more photos.

thanks
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:26 PM

interesting, the weather today Aug-1-2008 in LA is about 75F, the second photo shows the snow on the ground.....hmmm....let's go ski in LA...
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:29 PM

The snow is appropriate....snow job dontcha know. wink
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:48 PM

It's amazing the lengths the naysayers will go to to discredit the most successful in our business. Another poster indicated many are simply jealous of Froy's accomplishments, and I can only presume that is the motivation here. Now we have posters actually claiming that it snows in Los Angeles California in August! Who do you believe? Mike Ferry? Or some nobody on a message board who believes they see snow when the weather is 75F???
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Cave Man
Do you have any information documenting any transactions he has closed this year?


I think this may settle it once and for all...

Certificate of Froy's accomplishment

What other evidence could we possibly require?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 10:56 PM

Froy also changed from a navy suit in the a.m. to a black one in the p.m.

hmmm
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Originally Posted By: Cave Man
Do you have any information documenting any transactions he has closed this year?


I think this may settle it once and for all...

Certificate of Froy's accomplishment

What other evidence could we possibly require?


Hmmm. Arnold said himself:

And now, of course this is another thing I didn't count on, that now as the governor of the state of California, I am selling California worldwide. You see that? Selling.
Arnold Schwarzenegger


Source: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/arnold_schwarzenegger.html


NO WONDER he Loves Froy - Froy is helping Arnold in his task!
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:09 PM

Another poster PM'd me and seems very confused about the apparent 'snow' seen in photo number 2.

My friend has verified that that is not snow, but ash blown in from some of the California forest fires. Those are not parkas, but raincoats to protect their clothing from the ash in the air.

Besides, I think the certificate is evidence enough to close this case once and for all.
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:10 PM

this is too funny, so creative.

good works.

pls post more of your creative works.. very good.

i like it..
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
I think this may settle it once and for all...

Certificate of Froy's accomplishment

What other evidence could we possibly require?


That was hilarious. Laughing my cave man ARRSE off on that certificate.

Makes me want to go cave knocking so I can get one of those. If there is a fire on, I will go inside. "Eckhh. I just list Og's cave. You want? When you plan leave this pit? That soon? Really? Great. Chisel X here or I break face. Okay now I double end your missing link."

I plan on making 44 million this year without using the Multiple Cave Listing Service.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
That guy looks too tall to be Froy, unless the lady at the house is a dwarf. Isn't Froy supposed to be 5' 4" or something?




after carefull study of the pictures i note that hte standard door is 68 inches tall. there are 12 laps of siding to the top of the door. if you do the math and kind of use your imagination to straighten out Froys head a little bit you would have him coming up to lap number 11. if each lap is 5.66 inches that puts froy around 5feet 2 inches. my math could be a little off, plus the camera angle makes it hard to see exactly what lap he comes up to, but i would say that is pretty close.

by the size of the siding and how tall he is said to be i would say that we have a match:-)
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/01/08 11:33 PM

Originally Posted By: BayAreaAgent
this is too funny, so creative.

good works.

pls post more of your creative works.. very good.

i like it..


My friend was able to track down one further piece of documenting evidence. This is an image taken in April of this year during Governor Szwarzenegger's official 'Froy Candelario Superstar Realtor Day' parade...

Posted by: RealDealer

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 12:03 AM

Aren't those pictures from a documentry on PBS about Jehovah's Witnesses?
Posted by: Jeffo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 02:38 AM

I am typing this just because it would be pathetic if I didn't have a post, on this monstrosity of a thread <g>.

When I run for president someday, I'll need this as documentation... of what, I'm not sure.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 01:11 PM

In case there are any doubters still out there... here's a mob that a top agent met outside a Mike Ferry seminar when rumors circulated that Froy would make an appearance...

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 01:58 PM

TexasAgent, you have built some credibility with this one - at least it LOOKS like it's in Southern CA!
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 02:15 PM

I looked at Arnold's Certificate for Froy (WHEREIN HE MERELY SETS A GOAL) and the "Disclaimer" at the bottom:

"Disclaimer: No information contained in this document including seals, signatures, or claims shall be deemed reliable, factual, or intended in any way, means, or fashion to be construed as pertaining to reality."

I read that as " J O K E "
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 02:20 PM

Texas is cracking me up right now!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 02:21 PM

Now, now, don't go trying to confuse us with the facts.

On a different topic, the gum that I thought was plain spearmint is actually "Mint Mojito" and thus tasted like minty limeade.

sick
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 02:35 PM

Perception is ALWAYS more important than Reality.

Also, these people all look like the fat and lazy old "Extras" that you can buy for $10.00 an hour to hold whatever signs you need held. They don't have that "Hungry Lean Mean Selling Machine Look" that all the BPO Type Agents on this FORUM have when they look in the Mirror.

THEY ARE IMPOSTERS ! The Gig is up !
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/08 10:38 PM

I am dumbfounded by how crazy this is. Mike Ferry is being hurt by this thread regardless of the intentions of these newbies who make these claims. Tom Ferry now rules in my book lol.
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/08 11:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Chad McBain
I am dumbfounded by how crazy this is.


It is rather dumbfounding, isn't it? Especially as the evidence continues to mount...

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/08 11:30 PM

*breathe*
*breathe*

President Bush looks positively enthralled here.

OMG this is the best piece of evidence I've seen to date. TexasAgent, you surely have impressed me with your internet sleuthing skills.
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 12:28 AM

hmm, who is Tom Ferry?
Posted by: BayAreaAgent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 12:33 AM

Wow...why no one provide his real face in the photo?
Posted by: Delicious Cake

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: BayAreaAgent
Wow...why no one provide his real face in the photo?


lol.. because these aren't real photos - we're just having fun..
Posted by: deepsea

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 12:36 AM

"Who is Tom Ferry?"

Mike Ferry's son who left Mike's organization and started his own coaching business.
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent
Originally Posted By: Chad McBain
I am dumbfounded by how crazy this is.


It is rather dumbfounding, isn't it? Especially as the evidence continues to mount...



Wow, you don't want to get on Texas Agents bad side, he can get you for being involved in the John F. Kennedy assassination... Hmmm... I wonder if Froy was the one on the grassy knoll...

LOL!!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: BayAreaAgent
Wow...why no one provide his real face in the photo?


Because Froy is obviously a very private person and does not want his face or anything else broadcast on the internet. Thank goodness we have TexasAgent who is able to get us these crumbs, at least.
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 05:10 PM

Believe me Chad... Mike Ferry is not concerned with this thread or any other on the internet in the least! Now Craig Proctor, or someone who spends big $$$ on one of those "branded" websites and those useless ads may be bothered by internet banter! wink

As one of the so called "newbies"... as much as it pains me to say it, since most of you have NO idea what you are talking about... I can say this thread has gotten progressively "better" thanks to Texas and a few others!

Happy SELLING!
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 05:25 PM

lol...
Texas Agent for President!!!!
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: SoCal
Believe me Chad... Mike Ferry is not concerned with this thread or any other on the internet in the least!


In this we are in total agreement, SoCal!

Certainly none of the information I've 'uncovered' has been detrimental to Ferry or Froy or any other real estate professional as far as I can tell. In fact, I suspect light-hearted Internet chatter like this might even help promote Froy's business... which is great in my opinion! I may or may not agree with all of Ferry's techniques or with Froy's business model, but I wish them nothing but success.

yay
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 06:13 PM

Quote:
since most of you have NO idea what you are talking about...


You're really going a long way to win friends and influence people with statements like that.
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 07:13 PM

Well maybe you guys should go to some other forums and spam for ferry there. Until then, TOM FERRY RULES! www.yourcoach.com hehehe.
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 07:15 PM

Oh by the way If you had looked closely you would have noticed that our sites have nothing to do with Craig Proctor. But hey your new so I will go easy.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/04/08 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Chad McBain
Well maybe you guys should go to some other forums and spam for ferry there. Until then, TOM FERRY RULES! www.yourcoach.com hehehe.


Who, the guy that started this silly thread? who are you talking to?
Posted by: Orangecrest

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 12:15 AM

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Has an unsubscibe link, clicked it entered my e-mail address... I will probably get hit with a massive amounts of SPAM now, LOL!!
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 12:14 PM

Socal and Texeas mainly, but all who seem to be new here and pushing this thread wich is marketing for Mr. Ferry or spam depending on your position.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 01:15 PM

Actually, most of us in here are just having fun with this stupid thread. Texas is providing us with some comic relief.

There is no hidden Mike Ferry agenda.
Posted by: Chad McBain

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 02:16 PM

I believe that for most of the participants that is the case Perky but for one or two I am not sure. What I do know is Mr. Ferry has been mentioned numerous times by one or two posters in reference to a connection with this "Real Estate Legend" that few have heard of or can track. When you google Froy this post is #1 or 2 and Ferry references are everywhere. Hence my scepticism of the intent of one or two here.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 02:19 PM

Well, the reason Ferry is referenced is because Froy is his pet / superstar / esteemed guest at conferences. The two seem to go hand in hand.

I will agree though that initially, I believe this thread was created, perhaps, to promote Ferry's conferences. If you read though all the responses, there are more than a few people who think this all had something to do with an agenda to push Ferry's systems/program.

But now, I think it's degenerated to just a stupid chat thread, which is its highest and best use, IMHO. LOL
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Chad McBain
Hence my scepticism of the intent of one or two here.


Well, if that certificate from Arnold Schwarzenegger and the photo of the Bush meeting didn't convince you... then I suppose it's hopeless.

yay
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 05:06 PM

Texas, give it up. you've been outed...YOU'RE FROY, aren't you??!!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 06:33 PM

http://technology360.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/waldo.jpg

i could not find waldo, but froy is all over the place!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 06:35 PM

forgot to add... could someone please delete this thread so that people (including myself) acutally post things that are worth reading:-)
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 06:45 PM

come on this thread has to be the forum record! I dont' want to delete it!
Posted by: Jeffo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 08:07 PM

Ya'll have had a PARTY here, and I've been so wrapped up in 1) sussing out the ins and outs of private money, for a buyer I have trying to buy a challenged property, and 2) workin' on my tan... that I haven't even made it to the keg yet!

I dunno. This may come as sacriledge to some around here buuuuut... I'm much more impressd with someone like Jennifer who makes a good living just being social, than someone like this Froy guy who uses a brute-force approach. I mean, do any of us really doubt that we could make some coin if we got up every morning, and went around knocking on doors? Every day? For years?

But where's the love in THAT?!
Posted by: SoCal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Chad McBain
Socal and Texeas mainly, but all who seem to be new here and pushing this thread wich is marketing for Mr. Ferry or spam depending on your position.


???
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 08:24 PM

Jeffo, I'm with you. Even if Froy is totally for real and this thread has been a truthful description of his activities, I don't want it.

If I made even half of what he supposedly makes, I'd be so content and more focused on spending time with the family, not trying to make MORE and MORE and MORE. (seriously, I'm used to living simply, though I may need to purchase a 67 firebird, and maybe an older corvette, and a pair of hogs for me and the man...put money away for the kids and buy myself a house I actually like...)

hmmm..
Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/05/08 09:02 PM

I find it interesting that some think I'm marketing for Mike Ferry by participating in this thread. I do have an opinion on Ferry but have generally kept it to myself since I know there are probably many agents who have benefited from his programs. But since the question is raised, I'll quote something I wrote in a PM to another forummer several days ago in regard to this thread and Ferry in particular:

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent in PM
You're right, I'm not a particular fan of Mike Ferry. I attended a Ferry seminar years ago at my office manager's suggestion and was turned off for some reason. Could be just personality, I don't know.

I did know one agent in my office who became a Mike Ferry nut and started spending quite a bit of money on his programs. Her business did pick up for a while but I think she burned out on Ferry after less than a year... and thousands of dollars.

I think that's the part that really bothers me. I've been to some great FREE training and motivational seminars that don't push the attendees into huge financial commitments.
Posted by: soldhomes83

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/12/08 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
Dolly is universally hated by every broker in manhatten..
Months ago when that one agent was killed by her assistant...the other brokers were quoted in the newspapers saying they were hoping it was DOlly.


I have to tell you I just got the new Black Berry ad from NAR with Dolly in it. I had no Idea who she was till then, but now I have been reading about her. Let me ask is her life not why we all get into Real Estate? I did I'd love to move to NYC and go to work for Prudential Douglas Elliman. That is the kind of life I'm after........... If they would take a 25 year old from a rural Ohio community, I'd be there..........
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/12/08 09:57 PM

Well I don't know about anyone else but I for one am sick of seeing Dolly's mug all over the internet on real estate sites - for goodness sakes, can't the blackberry mix up their advertising a bit.
Posted by: soldhomes83

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/12/08 10:22 PM

Why? Dolly has worked hard to get where she is at. If that was me I'd want the sam and you know if it were you, you would want the same thing too.................
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 05:30 AM

I don't doubt that Dolly has worked hard. My comment isn't really about her as much as it is about the advertising for the blackberry.

I don't like anything that is repeated over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over and over, and over. At this point, I've seen Dolly's face with her slightly unfriendly expression on so many ads, sometimes twice on the same page, that it just annoys me to see it at all.

I've always been one to buck whatever is advertised or pushed with so much gusto - which is why I generally will not go see blockbuster movies that EVERYONE just HAS to see - will not do it. Which is why I don't jump on bandwagons with everyone else.

I suppose I'll get one someday soon, but I just don't like the same monotonous advertising. How about we have someone BESIDES Dolly? Especially when you're having an ad on the top banner, the footer, and the sidebar? Hmm?
Posted by: Merkaba

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 01:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
I don't doubt that Dolly has worked hard. My comment isn't really about her as much as it is about the advertising for the blackberry.

I don't like anything that is repeated over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over and over, and over. At this point, I've seen Dolly's face with her slightly unfriendly expression on so many ads, sometimes twice on the same page, that it just annoys me to see it at all.

I've always been one to buck whatever is advertised or pushed with so much gusto - which is why I generally will not go see blockbuster movies that EVERYONE just HAS to see - will not do it. Which is why I don't jump on bandwagons with everyone else.

I suppose I'll get one someday soon, but I just don't like the same monotonous advertising. How about we have someone BESIDES Dolly? Especially when you're having an ad on the top banner, the footer, and the sidebar? Hmm?
So you didnt see the Dark Knight? You missed a great one! I would lighten up, advertising is gonna get alot worse. Think Minority Report....oh well I guess you didnt see that movie!
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 03:23 PM

I did not see the Dark Knight, but I saw Tootsie and Mrs. Doubtfire and I think it is no coincidence that Dolly and Froy have never been photographed together. But maybe one of Texas Agent's spycam photos will prove otherwise.

Posted by: Texas Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Cave Man
I think it is no coincidence that Dolly and Froy have never been photographed together. But maybe one of Texas Agent's spycam photos will prove otherwise.


This was pretty tough to come by, but here you go...

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 05:21 PM

I did not see Dark Knight.

I did not see Pirates of the Caribbean until it had been out on video long enough to no longer be a new release.

I never saw Ghost until about 5 or 6 years ago. I saw Titanic in the theater only because my husband made me go.

I saw Tootsie and Mrs Doubtfire, but again, not until long after the fervor wore off - same with Minority Report. Well my hesitation with that was more Tom Cruise than anything ( I really can't stand him at all, never could, even before he got whacked and it became popular to dislike him...)

I dislike Brad Pitt cause everyone thinks he's all that and a bag of chips; I prefer James Stewart myself.

I don't "do" things because it's "popular" or "the thing" to do; I do it because I WANT to - and sometimes, my wanting to MAY coincide with it being "popular" (which is why I saw Pirates 2 and 3 in the theater, along with Indiana Jones a few weeks ago...) but those instances are RARE.

I am a tough one to be in a marketing business because so much of marketing just turns me off - but I am able to see how it works, why it works, and put it to work for me. But that doesn't mean I'll fall for it myself.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 05:22 PM

Texas Agent, I love your contributions to this thread, even if you are trying to promote Ferry with your posts.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/13/08 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Texas Agent


This was pretty tough to come by, but here you go...





Mark, is this you in the picture? The picture is kinda of blurry. smile

Posted by: doorknocker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/11/09 07:09 PM

what I know about Froy. The guy works even though he hasn't had to in years. The guy is super humble and has been aproached to make a movie about his life and books written about him, he just doesn't care for fame. Froy gives a HUGE portion of his money to charities and buys homes for people who would never be able to afford one. Froy has discipline unlike any person I have ever met. Unless I have been eating lunch with a ghost over the last fifteen years he is a real human being. What have you done for others who will never be able to do something for you?
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/11/09 07:21 PM

its back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: pastmember

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/11/09 07:44 PM

Some people didn't believe that Kaiser Soze was real either but in the end he got the last laugh smile
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/11/09 08:23 PM

Doorknocker,

I am asking this out of respect for a gentleman that I have only heard stories in reference to his success and "ghost" like reputation. If you do know Froy Candelario, could you ask him to get on the forums here and maybe start a thread. He could really inspire agents!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/11/09 09:28 PM

Quote:
What have you done for others who will never be able to do something for you?


Wow, there's no need to be snarky.

Nobody is doubting that Mr. Candeliro is a nice person. Only that he's for real. wasn't it pointed out earlier in this thread that he doesn't have a license or something?

Movies made of his life, huh? That's pretty fascinating, putting him right on the same level with Donald Trump and Bill Gates.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/17/09 09:21 PM

Just found this thread... actually, never really participated or even lurked here...

I have met and hung out with Froy various times at MFO retreats. Cool guy. I do understand the skepticism. I've asked others if his numbers are real and everyone who knows him says that they are... Personally, I have a hard time believing as well.

One thing is certain, he is gracious and answers whatever question you throw at him. He's open to having you shadow him so I think there's got to be something to the stories. If his production is real, then perhaps we all have a hard time fitting that amount of work into our understanding. If it's not, then it's still probably pretty good. I think ultimately instead of wondering why don't we try to follow his concept for ONE WEEK? That's it. We'll get an idea from that.

I wanted to add his picture to the thread, but I can't figure out how to attach it from my computer and not from a website.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/17/09 10:40 PM

Oh Lord, it lives again.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/17/09 10:52 PM

Hey don't blame me... I just joined the fun!
Posted by: crzzycindy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/22/09 04:19 AM

I am in southern California and have never heard of Froy Candelario but that doesn't mean he's not real. If he has great advice to pass along I am grateful for good advice. "The teacher arrives when the student is ready." Pass along the knowledge. To those much has been given much is expected.
Posted by: ColdCaller

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/24/09 02:56 AM

I'm in So. Cal. I've met Froy in person, and have spoken to him more than once (YES, at Mike Ferry events).

Dude is very friendly, soft spoken, quiet manner, Spanish speaking, very handsomely dressed man about 5'7 or so. I'm proud that he use to recognize, and acknowledge me at events. I've asked him some very pointed questions one-on-one when few others were around. A very straight-forward guy. He even verbally endorsed one of my ideas to land more FSBO listings.

Let me share with everyone a few thoughts I've learned from other agents who actually PAID MONEY to "Shadow Froy" in his office, back in in 2005 or so...

Extreme Door Knocking.
As a "door knocker", Froy's prowess is simple, focused, and disciplined. Here's what he did:

1. Bring a Ream of Flyers (500) with you. There's nothing special about the flyer. The key is to get the entire ream out, daily... 3hours, 9am - Noon. Lunch. 1pm - 4pm. Then back to the office for listing presentations.

2. The door knocking technique is to very quickly, get to the front door. Knock briskly 3 - 5 times. DROP FLYER ON THE DOOR STOOP, turn and leave... quickly walking to the next home even BEFORE the door gets answered.

3. As you approach the next property, look over your shoulder at the previous door. Hold up your stack of flyers in hand, pointing to the stack as if asking from afar "did you see the flyer, do you want me to come back".

4. Only if the previous homeowner motions you to COME BACK, do you go back to the home. Occaisionally, you DO get motioned back. Quickly assess their need, then set an appointment for owner to come to your office.

5. If the owner is UNCOOPERATIVE or NOT INTERESTED in any way, drop them right then and there because you'll get other leads that very day!

6. Whatever you do, KEEP IT MOVING! Get your ream out! It's a NUMBERS GAME. Make those 500 flyers work for you! Keep it moving, keep on pushing! The numbers add up - daily!

Agents who have shadowed Froy while door knocking, complain of feet hurting, and fatigue from Froy's breakneck speed in hitting doors.

7. I've seen the man and spoken to the man in person! He's real. His team is 4 members. Him, his wife, and two assisants. When cold calling on the phone, his only goal is to find a seller who wants to sell NOW, and who has no agent.

Froy sends out 10 pre-listing packages PER DAY, with typed-up listing agreements to sellers, PER DAY! Out of 10, he gets back 4 signed ones. Then repeat the next day. Keep repeating, and the numbers add up.

Anyone willing to work hard can get wildly, successful.

Good luck!
Posted by: Rah

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/26/09 05:08 AM

"4. Only if the previous homeowner motions you to COME BACK, do you go back to the home. Occaisionally, you DO get motioned back. Quickly assess their need, then set an appointment for owner to come to your office."

When does Froy look at the inside of the house?
Posted by: ColdCaller

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/26/09 04:26 PM

...INSIDE the home?
Oh. Are you referring to that toothless tiger called Agent Visual Inspection? LOL. Who knows when Froy runs through the home for a quick minute. Our California form is no biggie. The list is bigger with what we DON'T look at versus we do. Run through. Jot down a few imperfections, then run out. What's the big deal? Make buyer get a home inspection!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 12:07 AM

i spoke with Dirk Zeller just other day and we were talking about this post. he assured me that Froy is a very real person and that he totally does sell the number of homes that the legend states.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 06:37 AM

So is his license under another name or something?
Posted by: Don-COH

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 02:56 PM

I bet the guy's real name is hidden in the "Froy Candelario" somewhere -- like a jumble!

I guess if I were doing that volume, I wouldn't want a bunch of e-mail from tongue-wagging students, etc.
Seems like a savvy surfer could research the #1 agent in SoCal and figure out who it is...
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 03:34 PM

Actually, I talked to a friend who sells in Arizona and I know has worked with Froy. This is kind of cool: when the Arizona market was going up he started to prospect for apt building owners who wanted to sell. He then found the buyer here in CA and sold him those apt buildings. He had an AZ agent do paperwork. He always HAD to double end the deals.
Posted by: pastmember

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 04:46 PM

It appears that Froy's CA license recently expired:
http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=00875305
Posted by: Broker/Appraiser

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/09 08:41 PM

He may even be on this forum...? Like the shadow. BigC
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/08/09 01:07 AM

I wouldn't be disappointed if this entire thread was deleted.

But since it is still alive, here's an interesting Active Rain post regarding Froy from a poster identifying himself as "Jack":

http://activerain.com/blogsview/38407/door-knocking-ideas

"Hello everybody,

Ok After being in this same conversation about Froy Candelario for years and me not saying anything just I feel I need to break my silence about Froy. I met Froy about nine years ago at a Mike Ferry Superstar retreat. I was new in the business and I had heard that I should do whatever it takes to be at this Seminar. So I counted my pennies and went out to Palm Desert in the middle of july for the seminar. When I arrived I was very exited to see that the who's who of realtors was in attendance. I remember Being 22 years old and just being so exited to be there surrounded by all these stars as I perceived at the time. The person who became my hero that day was definitely Froy Candelario. The guys story is amazing, he grow up in a cave in Mexico lived in poverty that few of us can even imagine. He left Mexico absolutely broke and when he got to the US jumped on a moving train and lost his friend because he's friend got mangled underneath the train. I was convinced that I had found my hero. Mike Ferry spoke very highly of Froy from the stage. I thought this guy is awesome. This went on and on for a few years going to these events. One year a few years back I though I have to go shadow Froy and see what he does all day so I can model him and do the same. So I paid the $500.00 i think to have the privilege of hanging out with Froy for a few hours. Every went great that day He talked to a lot of people and he would just say do you want to sell your house and if they said anything remotely to a yes he would just say ok I'll have an offer for your house later. When I asked him if he's going back to list the house he would say he already has a buyer for it this went on for a few hours, then at about 3pm he said that was the end and that I had to leave because now he was going to meet with his buyers and send them to look at the houses from earlier that day and that I couldn't be there for that. So I left that day and feeling a little disappointed at at the same time I think I still wanted to believe that he was real(remember he was my hero) so that was that.A few months later I began asking title reps in the area if they had ever heard of Froy and not one of they every heard of him actually doing business, beside what people hear and forums and Mike Ferry seminars. I ended meeting with a regional director of one of the biggest title companies in the Los Angeles areas and we started talking about Froy which he jokingly referred to as Fraud. He told me some thing that made a lot of sense to me he said that if an agent is making over $200,000 in commissions they are all over them they have a list of the top producers in the area and go after them aggressively, I was still hoping froy was real and told this executive that the reason They don't see all his sales is because they doesn't belong to the MLS because he double ends every single one of his listings. He looked at me and said don't be naive every one uses title I don't care who they are everyone has to use title. What he told me really made sense to me he said if there's a guy making $20,000,000 in commissions every single title company in the country will be all over this guy and the truth is no title company as far as I knows who this guy is. Thats not including all the vendors like escrow, home protection companies etc. not one vendor in Froys area has every heard of him. So you tell me do you actually belive this guy is making $20,000,000 a year. I don't know maybe? I seriously doubt it. I think as people we want to believe especially during these times so I'm sure I'll have Mike Ferry followers criticize me saying that I'm lying or something. I'll tell you who the real top producers in the industry are. Dolly Lenz fron Manhattan who sold over $748,000,000 in a single year and John Mcmonigle from Newport Beach who regularly sells over $500,000,000 a year in real estate. Look the up there numbers are real. A lot more than Froy.

alright everybody I don't want to focus on the negative I just felt I had to speak my truth.

Peace!

Jack"

My hunch is that Froy Candelario is just a guy being paid to be a marketing tool for the Mike Ferry organization. He probably once did a great business, but now his accomplishments have become exaggerated beyond reality. If someone can back up the the outrageous claims about him double-ending every one of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of yearly deals with some 1099s and tax returns for Froy, then I'll believe it. The fact he is not a broker and has an expired salesperson license according to the CA DRE website, will still probably not dim his zealot worshippers. I suppose his fans will contend that all of his deals are not closed at escrow or title companies and not publicly recorded at the insistence of both the buyers and sellers that he mutually represented.

If Candelario is not legally closing the volume of business that is being represented, then any exaggerated claims and representations are fraudulent inducements to get people to pay money to be coached on how to be "like Froy."
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/08/09 06:44 AM

This thread is like cancer, but mildly entertaining. Occasionally it goes into remission, and seems to die for a while but then it's revived again. If it were deleted, then we'd have more popping up in its place. LOL
Posted by: Broker/Appraiser

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/08/09 04:37 PM

I cannot believe you would compare Troy to Cancer??? Troy is a great guy. He comes around to wax my car every now and then. Everytime he cleans up my car, I give him a Real Estate Selling Tip. smile BigC
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/08/09 09:24 PM

I don't believe Mike Ferry is the one holding Froy up... I don't believe he does that much business either.

Thing is Mike Ferry has plenty of real, verifiable, superstars to endorse him. A story like Froy will only hurt him. It does seem like the Froy story is BS.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/09/09 01:36 PM

I agree lets put Froy in the archives and leave him there. Please!!!

I spent an entire week once trying to find real evidence such as a title company in his supposed territory, agents that farmed said territory and were aware of all title changes or possession changes, investors who dealt in the area, mortgage brokers, etc. No evidence of a single deal.

And if anyone is sucker enough to pay someone $250/hr to watch someone door knock with just a do you want to sell approach and then get dumped, just give me a call and I'll do as many hours as you want before dumping you, of course I assume it is pay upfront and no refunds.

Don't even need a license, any one who just crossed the border could do it, just selling training and declare no intent to act as an agent, but as a principle.

Can't say much for his honesty if your paying him to shadow him for a day and then he dumps you after a few hours, I think he would have discovered my left hook and my right uppercut if I didn't get a refund.

My trip paid off however because I found out about a couple doing very large volume and their foundation was based on door to door. Was able to find a few of their clients, get info, and then start using their approach adjusted for my style.
Posted by: ColdCaller

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/10/09 10:11 AM

Years ago, Mike Ferry himself OWNED/STARTED/WAS ON THE BOARD of a Title Company. C'mon, how hard is it own your own, or start one, or use just one EXCLUSIVELY? Froy was kicked out of his own local board years ago. Why? He didn't cooperate with other members. He didn't sell other broker listings, just his own. And he only showed clients his own listings and nobody elses. If clients didn't WANT any of his listings, he told them they'll need another agent, because he only showed his own (not a crime). In California, it's not against the law (a crime) to not join your local Board of Realtors. INDEPENDENCE! This is what I love about real estate. Just stay within your STATE LAWS. Realtor code - Realtor schmode. NAR gets my money only by being sleezy. I'm only a Realtor (by my EXTORTED cash payment) because I wanted access to the local MLS. NO OTHER REASON. I don't owe any other licensee anything (but love of fellow man, according to Jesus). I spit on the National Association of Realtors. Spit on 'em I tell ya! Ptuey! (guess that's another thread).
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/10/09 10:17 AM

So everyone he sells to/for uses his title company? What is his title company name?
Posted by: Pikes Peak

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/10/09 01:09 PM

Will the real Froy please stand up?

http://www.arello.com/consumer/verify.cfm
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/26/09 08:04 AM

Just joined today. Froy is real. I have talked with him several times at MFO events. He is very disciplined and I have learned a lot from him.
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/12/10 01:35 PM

Froy was just spotted on top of the Empire State Building...
Posted by: Hanz Investments

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/12/10 07:45 PM

Froy is a real person and a very nice guy. He actually moved here to the United States without any previous understanding of the english language. His wife was a real estate agent and she gave him the Mike Ferry scripts she was using so his first english was perfectly scripted real estate language. He is very disciplined and now he speaks the perfect scripted language with wonderful results..
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/12/10 07:46 PM

Yep, that's what everyone says.
Posted by: Careers1920

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/12/10 11:40 PM

Froy is a myth
Posted by: bsareo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/12/10 11:41 PM

I have never even heard the name.
Posted by: super realtor

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/13/10 12:19 AM

WGAS ! Why do we keep reviving this dead post?
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/13/10 08:18 AM

"Froy is a real person and a very nice guy..... He is very disciplined and now he speaks the perfect scripted language with wonderful results.."

How do we get in touch with him? I know he was in NYC.. but when he gets back...
Posted by: Paceryder

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/15/10 02:52 PM

I just read this thread over the past couple days. The only comment I'd like to make is that if I cold called 400 people every day, I would go through my entire town in 3 days.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/15/10 06:25 PM

[quote=Paceryder]I just read this thread over the past couple days. The only comment I'd like to make is that if I cold called 400 people every day, I would go through my entire town in 3 days. [/quote]

My question is, why wouldn't you?
Posted by: Paceryder

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/15/10 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: niche
Originally Posted By: Paceryder
I just read this thread over the past couple days. The only comment I'd like to make is that if I cold called 400 people every day, I would go through my entire town in 3 days.


My question is, why wouldn't you?


Why wouldn't I what?
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/15/10 11:03 PM

Why wouldn't you call all the people in your town?
Posted by: Maui

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/15/10 11:45 PM

LOL @ pace. Small town, eh?
Posted by: CIProperties863

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/16/10 12:22 AM

Listen a realtor making that kind of money could not go undetected for so long with that kind of rep. He would of had books, videos the works. At that age and that level of success he would never have to make a call again. He's made up just like religion. The verdict is in Froy is a Fraud! Case closed!

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Life is Simple - You Stress, You Cry, You Laugh And In The End It's All For Nothing......
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/16/10 10:09 AM

[quote=Cirino_21]Listen a realtor making that kind of money could not go undetected for so long with that kind of rep. He would of had books, videos the works. At that age and that level of success he would never have to make a call again. He's made up just like religion. The verdict is in Froy is a Fraud! Case closed![/quote]

I agree... Even so, why doesn't anyone just try what he supposedly does? Personally, my mindset isn't strong enough to handle that... what's everyone elses' excuse?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/16/10 03:12 PM

I don't do it because I personally would hate people knocking on my door, and my feelings of unease would transfer immediately and I would become a stammering idiot.

I do believe in doing as I say - I hate being bothered when I'm at home (just ask the magazine salesmen and the Jehovah's Witnesses...lol) therefore I would not do it to someone else.

Not to mention in my area 95% of the homes are in gated communities or HOA's that strictly forbid solicitation of any kind.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/16/10 03:13 PM

Any one else?
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/17/10 07:44 AM

I don't door knock due to commuting times and weather. I have many years ago & it works fanttastic! I do make 100 cold call contacts per day as well as other things

Originally Posted By: niche
Any one else?
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/17/10 07:55 AM

He is a not a myth! I have met him personally. Whether or not his production is a myth ir not I am not sure. I remember hearing he drovee a Lamborghini at one point. Later he turned religeous and gave his money away.

Originally Posted By: Careers1920
Froy is a myth
Originally Posted By: Cirino_21
Listen a realtor making that kind of money could not go undetected for so long with that kind of rep. He would of had books, videos the works. At that age and that level of success he would never have to make a call again. He's made up just like religion. The verdict is in Froy is a Fraud! Case closed!

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Life is Simple - You Stress, You Cry, You Laugh And In The End It's All For Nothing......
Posted by: CIProperties863

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/17/10 06:03 PM

Well I heard that he brought Santa Claus's slay from him and replaced the raindeer with unicorns he lives in the lost city of Atlantis with the tooth fairy. Froys rep is as crazy as this story all he is a made up figure used by Mike Ferry to give agents a template of where they should be in there careers and how to get there.The problem is that the concept role model is just a little extreme!
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/17/10 07:16 PM

I disagree... as a Mike Ferry one-on-one client, I can assure you Mike Ferry does NOT use Froy as an example. Sure, he's pointed him out at events in the past, but not in the last five years. His son, Matthew Ferry has talked about him more. Mike Ferry has way too many fantastic agents he can use as examples and their productions are verifiable. The myth of Froy only hurts his coaching.
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/17/10 07:20 PM

He hasn't been at the Mike Ferry functions in several years. Froy worked the lower end of L.A. Mostly Latinos. Many latino agents do phenomonally well as their clients are very loyal and easy going and trusting. When you. Look at it that way, it's not so miraculous and certainly not duplicatable....so, NEXT!

Originally Posted By: Cirino_21
Well I heard that he brought Santa Claus's slay from him and replaced the raindeer with unicorns he lives in the lost city of Atlantis with the tooth fairy. Froys rep is as crazy as this story all he is a made up figure used by Mike Ferry to give agents a template of where they should be in there careers and how to get there.The problem is that the concept role model is just a little extreme!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/18/10 12:00 AM

i am a coaching student of Dirk Zeller. not one of his coaches, but Dirk himself. I had a conversation with my coach one day and the topic...brought up by me due to this very thread was...you guessed it! Froy! this guy froy is very much real! Dirk knows of him and went into detail about his business model. he works a very specific client base. he truly does make many sales without use of hte mls. he does keep a database of people looking to buy and people looking to sell and matches the both of them. the area and client that he works is a client that i could NEVER break into! the latino community that I am told Froy works is exteremely loyal and uses Froy because he is the go to guy. he is known, he is trusted. i personally believe that Froy does exist. his exact production numbers are unknown, but i would guess that they must be high for his name to even be teh topic of such debates!

i'm a nobody in the world of real estate and last year i personally had over 10 transactions that my name was not on, but i was paid 50% on the deal. at the end of hte day, i dont care about recognition. i dont do this for ego, i sell homes to make dough!!!!!

point is that if a nobody in the grand scheme of real estate such as myself can do 10+ transactions, imagine how many a seasoned closer with an extreme niche can do!

I have thought of running a team where i pay agents 30% to work with a listing from listing taken...i take the listing.... to closing and i cover all expenses and my name stays off of the paperwork so that i have no distractions, but get hte opportunity to make rain! could it work...yes....would my name be minimal to nonexistent...yes.....does that make a difference...no.....

that tought was at an earlier time in my career when i realized it was the brining in of business that makes you go to the next level. the reality is that i have started the hiring of hourly people to help make that goal...


for me, prospecting and bringing the business in is the moneymaker in this real estate world. Froy knows this and makes more contacts and more contracts. pretty simple

i dont know Froy, but if i had to make a bet (i dont gamble), i would say that Froy is real!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/18/10 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Cirino_21
Listen a realtor making that kind of money could not go undetected for so long with that kind of rep. He would of had books, videos the works. At that age and that level of success he would never have to make a call again. He's made up just like religion. The verdict is in Froy is a Fraud! Case closed!

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Life is Simple - You Stress, You Cry, You Laugh And In The End It's All For Nothing......


maybe he does not want to write a book. plenty of successful people love what htey do and do not desire to change. many people who are very successful and don't need to work, work because they like what they do....

as stated in the previous threa, i'm no froy, but my goal right at hte moment is to hire more people to take care of anything that is going on in my business so that i can have more time to bring in more deals! i like prospecting more than any other part of this business! prospecting and going on listing appointments is the most fun part of the job for me. i would give u-p every other aspect of this business and the last thing i would stop doing is making my calls!
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/18/10 12:11 AM

i had an internet marketing company call me today telling me about how they can bring me leads on the pc throught internet means....i have done lead stuff before
...tigerleads...to be specific.

i know for a fact that i can generate more leads, better leads that close faster by working the phones than the leads that come by working the internet...

for anyone that does not know, tiger leads builds and markets a website though paperclick campaings... works pretty good, but i did not like the internet leads as good as the ones that i call myself.

point is......i could understand why froy might/does continue to work and call on the phones when he does not need to do it.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/18/10 01:08 AM

IF Froy actually did the calls he's rumored to do, he would be phenomenal. I've hung out with him and he's a very unassuming dude. Very happy-go-lucky and approachable. Here's something that I KNOW is true about him... because I asked him on a hunch. I am South American, yet when I spoke to him I heard a different kind of accent in Spanish. Turns out his native language isn't even Spanish. It's some native dialect. I never heard anyone mention that about him... I suspect that IF he really does all that business the reason he doesn't write a book is because he doesn't even read them. We were at an even and a lady walked up to him and asked him what books he read to get motivated and he just laughed and said he doesn't read motivational books. He just does whatever his coach tells him. Listen, his numbers are for sure blown out of proportion. People want to believe that he either is a super agent or a total fraud. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I know for a fact that a partner of mine in AZ ran a deal for him in AZ and Froy found the Apt Building for HIS buyer. Never even considered looking at the MLS. That is true and verifiable. So theres some truth to this froy myth...
Posted by: Paceryder

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/21/10 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: maui realtor
LOL @ pace. Small town, eh?


It sure is! smile
Which is why I don't have to call them on the phone. I just holler out the window, LOL.
Posted by: Paceryder

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/21/10 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
I don't do it because I personally would hate people knocking on my door, and my feelings of unease would transfer immediately and I would become a stammering idiot.

I do believe in doing as I say - I hate being bothered when I'm at home (just ask the magazine salesmen and the Jehovah's Witnesses...lol) therefore I would not do it to someone else.

Not to mention in my area 95% of the homes are in gated communities or HOA's that strictly forbid solicitation of any kind.


FUnny you mention the JWs. I live in an area where there are a lot of them. 3 families on my street. The other day they came around and I thought "I should be polite this time" (LOL).

Then I thought, at least when I door knock, I just have interesting information for people, I'm not trying to get them to switch religions.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 12:31 PM

The last time they were here, I was really mad. Picture this:

I was at the time, a 30-something, overweight, frumpy housewife (now I'm 40 something.) It was a Saturday morning, all three children were sick. I was probably sick. I was in my housecoat, hadn't fixed my hair, drinking coffee...looked like a real winner.

Someone knocks on the door. The only reason I opened it was because I thought it was the mail carrier with a package. The dog is barking, the three kids are sprawled on the messy couch...and I open the door.

This prim and prissy lady smiles brightly at me, as does her companion..and she says "Hi - is your mother home??"

Had she said something more honest, like "Wow you look like life has got you down..." or at least "I'd like to talk with you about something..." I would have been polite and not offended. The fake compliment, meant to "break the ice" or soften my heart toward them, bless them, they think I'm a teenager... only served to tick me off.

I said "I AM the mother. What do you WANT?" and then she started sputtering and I believe I just said "Not interested, go away, and do NOT come back!"

Imagine how guilty I felt years later...I was stranded on the side of the road with a flat tire wondering what to do (no cell phone) and a car pulls up behind me. 4 guys in suits get out and put my spare on for me.

They were JW's. I meekly took one of their pamphlets and thanked them profusely, but secretly hoped they wouldn't run my license plate somehow and find out where I lived...
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 01:41 PM

^^^^^
Bad experiences like those keep thousands of Realtors from knocking on doors. Personally, I hope every Realtor in San Diego reads them and is discouranged to door-knock. The truth is it's THE most effective way to prospect. Not efficient way; calling FSBOs, SOI and expireds is more efficient, but if you happen upon someone who is thinking about moving at the door, you get them. I've made a lot of money door knocking.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 04:46 PM

Yep, if you like to do it, go for it. smile Just don't try to butter up obvious frumpy housewives with insincere or dishonest compliments.

Another time a guy stopped by the house and apologized cause he knew it was dinner time...he asked if I was in the middle of cooking. I said "As a matter of fact yes..." and he said "Mmmm, it smells DELICIOUS."

I rolled my eyes and said "Wow you must be hungry cause all it is right now is water about to boil on the stove for pasta." I wasn't making sauce...just hot water.... LOL

He didn't make any headway with me either.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 05:05 PM

B.S. get's you nowhere... unfortunately, most sales people have never been taught how to properly sell. Being cheerful oftentimes is the MOST repelling thing you can be.

True story: a dishevled housewife opened the door last week. She looked pissed I was at her door. When I asked her if she knew anyone interested in moving she replied with " I don't ever talk to anyone!" To which I said something to the effect of "well that explains why you look the way you do! Meet people, have conversations, get some sun for chrisakes!" To that she laughed! Like she couldn't believe it. Another lady a few days before told me she wasn't interested in selling because she was going to get a divorce and keep the house. I just raised my had and high fived her and said "welcome to the club!"
Thing is, it's not what you say, but how you say it. I said it smiling, comfortable in my skin and with the honest intention of wanting to connect with them. Takes a while to develop.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 05:21 PM

Yep, I would have laughed too if you said something like that to me. Either that or maybe throw a cast iron skillet at ya..ha ha
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 05:40 PM

Yes, it's very tricky and I don't recommend it unless you know what you're doing. Thing is, the more you doorknock, the better you get at reading people and that's how we make our money. By talking.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 06:13 PM

doorknocking rocks!

i started out doorknocking and it is truly one of hte most powerful things that you can do to literally get in front of people


think about this.....

what is the point of ****ANY**** marketing?

to get yourself a call so taht you can set an appointment so that you can get infront of somebody so that you can sell them something.


doorknocking cuts right to the chase without all the hastle of the otehr stuff. very powerful if you ask me !
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 06:29 PM

Froy is BS. According to the California DRE there is no such licensee nor has there been such a licensee, so if he does exist he has done all his business without a license which would explain why he doesn't belong to a MLS.

Plus two guys tried using his name via a corporation but the licenses of all three expired in August of 1995.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/22/10 11:24 PM

[quote=Bay Area Brian]Froy is BS. According to the California DRE there is no such licensee nor has there been such a licensee, so if he does exist he has done all his business without a license which would explain why he doesn't belong to a MLS.

Plus two guys tried using his name via a corporation but the licenses of all three expired in August of 1995.

[/quote]

Here we go again...
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/10/10 08:27 PM

[quote=Bay Area Brian]Froy is BS. According to the California DRE there is no such licensee nor has there been such a licensee, so if he does exist he has done all his business without a license which would explain why he doesn't belong to a MLS.[/quote]

Froy is listed with the DRE.
http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=00875305
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/10/10 08:31 PM

He may be listed but it's inactive.

Quote:
The license is in a non-working status. The licensee may not perform acts for which a real estate license is required in California. Salesperson reference for NBA is equivalent to 'No Broker Affiliation' and the broker/corporation reference to NBA is equivalent to 'No Business (current main office) Address'.
Posted by: Lancealot

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/12/10 08:40 PM

For all you skeptics out there I will finally put your doubts to rest! I have met him personally... He is a fascinating person with more energy than anyone I have ever met. Ironically, I met him on the same day I witnessed the Loch Ness Monster sunning on the bank of a beautiful lake in the Scottish Highlands area!
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/12/10 09:11 PM

This reminds me of an old episode of MASH, where a ficticious soldier is adored and honored by the camp for his heroism. Ha Ha Ha. Tuttle, that's it, Tuttle.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/12/10 09:26 PM

ROFL @ Tuttle - and Nessie! LOL!!! I loved that MASH episode - it was one of the best!
Posted by: MCP

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/12/10 09:26 PM

C'mon people, if this guy were real, we should be able to:

1) see his listings online
2) be able to actually talk to him either to visit homes or list a home
3) see his valid realtor license
4) hear from people who actually did a deal through him

We all bust our chops to market ourselves properly, be reachable, have an online presence, etc. No one could ever make a buck by being elusive and mysterious. C'mon peeps.
Posted by: PA Roadkill

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/13/10 04:51 AM

Lamont Cranston - Only The Shadow Knows
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/13/10 01:41 PM

my coach does know froy and of froys business model as it was a part of a conversation that we had one day. the bottom line is that he works a niche market and has more DISCIPLINE than 99% of the population.

i have no reason to believe that froy is not real. current liscense status, i dont know about, but real; yes
Posted by: Careers1920

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/13/10 06:28 PM

Estatereal - I hope you are not serious... Just as a previous poster said: Why can NO ONE seem to find his
1) see his listings online
2) be able to actually talk to him either to visit homes or list a home
3) see his valid realtor license
4) hear from people who actually did a deal through him

Please EXPLAIN? And someone doing that MANY deals a year making that much money in just selling real estate can not stay hidden

Also the only Froy Candelario in California licensed expired in 1995 and to top it off. His licensed was issued in 1991..

...
How about telling your coach you want to meet Froy since he knows him..
Posted by: Careers1920

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/13/10 06:30 PM

By the way - Since he's selling so much real estate ..

I'm sure a Realtor who has closed a transaction would come out and confirm Froy was real? or was that Realtor and buyer made to since a confidentiality agreement?

Just wondering
Posted by: bryan41

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 08:07 AM

Just to back up what Estatereal says...My coach used to be in the Mike Ferry Organization and is fairly well known within the real estate community. One day a few weeks ago out of the blue he mentioned Froy when we were on the subject of getting people to the office for appts. I mentioned that there are some people that don't believe that he exists and he laughed and confirmed that he does exist. He then outlined his business model thats been mentioned here several times. I have no reason not to believe him....
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 09:50 AM

My parents told me that the Easter Bunny was real... we both got what we wanted - i got candy, and they got the pleasure of seeing me in awe of a bunny that delivered candy to kids on one special day.

Maybe the M.F. folks like feeding candy to their followers...
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 09:59 AM

"Mommy, I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore. I don't think he's real."

"Shhh! Don't say that! Of course he's real. You only have to believe!"

Just because people say he's real doesn't make him real. I love the above mentioned Tuttle character from MASH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_%28M*A*S*H%29
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 11:14 AM

[quote=Perky_REALTOR]I love the above mentioned Tuttle character from MASH.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_%28M*A*S*H%29]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_%28M*A*S*H%29[/url] [/quote]

[quote]soon everyone at the camp believes Captain Tuttle is real. This creates problems when General Clayton decides to honor Tuttle by placing his picture in the newspaper and awarding him a medal.[/quote]

Maybe we should give him a medal. :)

What an elaborate scheme this must be. Froy must get his income from somewhere, paid by Mike Ferry? He certainly does go through the neighborhoods, as this has been verified numerous times. But apparently no sales have been verified. I checked with title companies in that area some dozen plus years ago and none had heard of Froy Candelario, though I have spoken with people personally who have spent a day with him.

If a scheme, which seems to be so, then what an elaborate scheme! And apparently it does not violate any statutes.

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Why are the quotations not working?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 01:30 PM

new users can't use the html code until after 30 posts, I think.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 01:31 PM

Froy does his own title work! He does his own notary work! He's his own secretary! He's a one man real estate dynamo! He's probably the mortgage broker too!
Posted by: PJ of TheGame

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/14/10 02:00 PM

He did say that he has a mortgage person on the team that has to clear his customers before he'll speak to them :)
Posted by: Bigshot Bob

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/15/10 08:41 AM

I google mapped:

Superstar Realty
15342 San Fernando Mission
Mission Hills, CA

Nice office, I snapped photos. Copy paste below:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/351/superstarrealty.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9463/superstarrealty2.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9607/superstarrealtycloseup.jpg
Posted by: Home Seller Guru

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 09:01 AM

This thread is hysterical! No one sells that much real estate without an MLS and never ever having another agent bring the buyer. It would be impossible to find a buyer a home only from the inventory the agent has. Buyers are never that loyal that they will bypass a home they drove by simply because it was listed with an other agent. Agents may be able to put a few of these deals together each year but not $10 mil of commissions worth.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 12:21 PM

Bigshot Bob

You don't need a real estate license to have a company called Superstar Realty. Realty does not equate with license. Floyd never had a real estate license in California. Just two guys started a company using his name.

The only thing he could be doing is avoiding licensing by acting as a principle in each transaction such as taking an option and then selling the option to his end buyers. Which is really a great case for going after investors that do this all the time and are just disguised agents avoiding the license laws, they have no intent to invest only to match sellers and buyers for a profit.

If I lived there I would check the DBA for the business. I would park in front and follow the subject until I found a couple of his customers and then know for sure how he operates, which isn't as a licensed real estate broker in California.
Posted by: FL Realtor

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 01:09 PM

I think Bigshot Bob was being facetious when he said it was a nice office. It's anything but nice.
Posted by: The New Guy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 04:16 PM

HaHaHa - This is starting to sound like a job for GhostBusters
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 05:59 PM

I am the original poster of this notorious thread:)

Here is what I know
1) Froy Candelario is 100% a real person
2) I have spoken to his wife about flying to california and following Froy while he knocs on doors. If I remember correctly she wanted $495....
3) Mike Ferry has a program where he interviews "superstars". He interviewed Froy. I listened to the interview and Froy talks about his prospecting, etc. Mike also intervied Karen Bernardi who sells 100+ million in volume every year. In that interview Mike Ferry said that Froy's goal for Commission Income was 20 Million for the year...INCOME, not volume...so that would be volume of like 600 million:) Or if like Froy says he "double ends" every transaction than it would be 6% commissions on a volume of 300+ million

Here is where I think there is B.S.

I have heard through several interviews where Froy is getting 400 + Contacts per hour. THAT is IMPOSSSIBLE!!!!

there are 3600 seconds in 1 hour. That would mean he is averaging 1 contact per 9 seconds..

You would need to have a powerdialer dialing at least 9 numbers at a time to do that....Just not possible.

There is no doubt top agents in Mike Ferry believe Froy is very hard worker....I have heard he drives lambhorghi's etc.

But like most on this board...NO WAY a guy is selling 300+ million in volume a year, without being able to find these homes. etc
Posted by: The New Guy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: carl1234
I am the original poster of this notorious thread:)

Here is what I know
1) Froy Candelario is 100% a real person
2) I have spoken to his wife about flying to california and following Froy while he knocs on doors. If I remember correctly she wanted $495....
3) Mike Ferry has a program where he interviews "superstars". He interviewed Froy. I listened to the interview and Froy talks about his prospecting, etc. Mike also intervied Karen Bernardi who sells 100+ million in volume every year. In that interview Mike Ferry said that Froy's goal for Commission Income was 20 Million for the year...INCOME, not volume...so that would be volume of like 600 million:) Or if like Froy says he "double ends" every transaction than it would be 6% commissions on a volume of 300+ million

Here is where I think there is B.S.

I have heard through several interviews where Froy is getting 400 + Contacts per hour. THAT is IMPOSSSIBLE!!!!

there are 3600 seconds in 1 hour. That would mean he is averaging 1 contact per 9 seconds..

You would need to have a powerdialer dialing at least 9 numbers at a time to do that....Just not possible.

There is no doubt top agents in Mike Ferry believe Froy is very hard worker....I have heard he drives lambhorghi's etc.

But like most on this board...NO WAY a guy is selling 300+ million in volume a year, without being able to find these homes. etc



Can you put in me touch with Froy's wife? I'm willing to pay double maybe even triple the $495 she wanted
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 09:29 PM

I no longer have her phone number. It was in my hotmail account which i have not used in years. I went back and tried to login and it appears I no longer have access to hotmail (if someone knows how to get into hotmail let me know and I will try to get back into that email account)

I would think if you called Mike Ferry's office..or Karen Bernardi or one of the top Realtors that is coached by mike you should be able to find it.

I do remember that I found the phone number on the internet on a discussion board. I just googled for it...and could not find it anywhere...now that is weird.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 09:32 PM

Does anyone have a stake or a silver bullet? Dear Lord, this is the thread that will. not. die.

O. M. G.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 09:39 PM

His daughter is catalina...she is an agent with century 21 in california

call her
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 05/24/10 09:59 PM

Just checked my computer

I have Froy's interview with Mike Ferry, and Karen Bernardi's interview with Mike as an MP3 on my computer.

If you want them let PM me.
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/22/10 06:22 AM

I don't know if anyone watched the last MLS World Cup game... but Froy scored the winning goal for Mexico. Beautiful header off a cross into the box.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/22/10 06:26 AM

LOL broker
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/22/10 06:30 AM

Whoa, Froy and Catalina have some money coming to them:

http://www.i42.biz/index.php?refid=736222
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/10 04:53 PM

Well, the mystery of Froy Candelario has been solved. He knocked on my door today and I guess he has been working his way cross-country knocking on every door in America.

He looked tired but driven. About 5'6" tall, 160 lbs, black hair with a hint of grey. When I asked if he held a NC real estate license he gave me a puzzled look as if he didn't know he was in North Carolina. Drove an old Lincoln Continental. Certainly had his sales pitch down... short and to the point and politely answered my questions. BTW, he thinks the market will remain soft for awhile but is confident he can get my home sold.

What's amazing is he did all this in under 60 seconds.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/10 05:03 PM

Awesome, broker. Thanks for sharing this important evidence! wink
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/27/10 09:08 PM

Was Captain Tuttle with him?
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/10 12:53 AM

I witnessed Froy descending from the clouds the other day surrounded by a dazzling bright aura and accompanied by ten thousand door-knocking angels.
Posted by: hankthetank

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/28/10 02:16 AM

Froy Candelario has the characteristics of a wolf : Stealth like, enhanced senses of smell and hearing, as well as strength and stamina.
I acquired this knowledge from an experience I had on the Salt River in Arizona. While flowing down the river enjoying the beauty of the Desert Floor, a man came knocking on my inner-tube...asking me to try a cacti like plant, one they call peyote. After our ceremony he blessed me with his wisdom of Real Estate, and I am now in sync with my clients and my inner child. Shortly after, I was scheduled to appear on Bravo for Million-dollar-listing, but took the wrong turn and got onto the set of "Bethany is getting married".
Posted by: Hunter 308

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/10 05:03 PM

Our top door knocker in Toronto sold 90 homes in one year,
cheap entry level homes in the late 1990's.

He was an Olympic athlete in his younger days.

Had a full time assistant and door knocked the same 5000
homes a month, was on the street for six hours a day, was
even out on christmas eve.

He was in his 30's when he accomplished this, he says it
would not be possible now at his age due to lower energy
levels and a family. He now sells 40-50 homes a year.

He was the top guy for his company in Canada and won a
trip to Japan for his efforts.

He helped me a lot when I was starting out, I almost joined
his office, tiny place, I asked were my office would be, he
said I didn't need one because I would be on the street all
day, he said there was no point in being in the office.

At the time I didn't understand why I didn't need an office.

The guy that worked for him said if I worked like him I wouldn't
have a life anymore.


I met a guy who flew down to door knock with Froy about 5-7 years
ago, he told me what he did every day but didn't say much about
Froy, this guy was doing well, not a superstar, but making money.

I told a friend about him and she said well if you pay all that money to go down there then I guess you will do what he says.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/10 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: hankthetank
Froy Candelario has the characteristics of a wolf : Stealth like, enhanced senses of smell and hearing, as well as strength and stamina.
I acquired this knowledge from an experience I had on the Salt River in Arizona. While flowing down the river enjoying the beauty of the Desert Floor, a man came knocking on my inner-tube...asking me to try a cacti like plant, one they call peyote. After our ceremony he blessed me with his wisdom of Real Estate, and I am now in sync with my clients and my inner child. Shortly after, I was scheduled to appear on Bravo for Million-dollar-listing, but took the wrong turn and got onto the set of "Bethany is getting married".


LOL!!!! This was great. Thank you - had a long day! This hit the spot.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/10 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Cave Man
I witnessed Froy descending from the clouds the other day surrounded by a dazzling bright aura and accompanied by ten thousand door-knocking angels.


We need George Beverly Shea here to boom this with his rich baritone:

WHEN FROY SHALL COME
WITH KNOCKS UPON MY FRONT DOOR
TO SELL MY HOME, WHAT JOY SHALL FILL MY HEART

THEN I WILL SIGN DISCLOSURES AND A CONTRACT
AND THERE PROCLAIM, OH FROY, HOW GREAT THOU ART
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/29/10 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Doin' bpose
Was Captain Tuttle with him?


I spent time with Tuttle last month - what an amazing Captain he is!
Posted by: 2good4u

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 05:39 AM

I love this kind of stuff. Froy and Catalina's current address is 17105 Parthenia St, Northridge Ca and Century 21 La Hacienda is 16909 Parthenia St Northridge Ca about 0.3 from each other. I was able to find the website for the office and have contacted them through email to see if the is true or not..I hate to say it but I didn't see any fancy cars in the driveway thanks to Google maps..kind of scary.... Huh?
Posted by: 2good4u

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 06:20 AM

I must say that after reading this thread I fell over laughing you guys are great. At first all I could think about was the Where is Waldo books and how much fun I had with those. Now this has kept me guessing longer than any book I've read lately...Oh.. OMG! I need to get a life!!
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 07:26 AM

What's the URL for that office website? I did a search on Century21.com and while I found the office name, there is no website for them.
Posted by: MINDSUB

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 07:51 AM

This is a good thread..LOL.. please dont judge me for the following comment but i was at a mike ferry conference in San Jose..in late 2004 or early 2005.. Mike ferry introduced a guy named Froyo..he said the whole name.. but being new and nieve I didnt know who he was.. people around me we making comments.. like " oh.. thats Froyo.. or whatever. making a big deal out of his volume.. matthew ferry was there in the second day.. I believe this was a 2 day conference.. anyway... Froy rode in on a white unicorn.. playing his flute made by mike ferry.. agents were chanting.. amazing.. lol .. no really.. he is a real dude.. as introduced by Mike..I cannot remember details of the individual as i was in a sea of seats and realtors..its been 5 years.. but his numbers.. productions.. lack of MLS info.. non active license.. no area title reps can vouch.. I didnt know he would be such hot forum topics..
Posted by: 2good4u

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 08:06 AM

[quote=Perky_REALTOR]What's the URL for that office website? I did a search on Century21.com and while I found the office name, there is no website for them. [/quote]
I found the information about the company on the website for C21, but the website for that office was not working. What I found that was interesting is that there was only one agent in the entire office who had any listings. That agent had only 2 listings..I own a real estate company and there is no way we could make it in an office like theirs with only one agent pulling in the money. The other thing that I found interesting is the market in that area!! This is a market that is still doing fairly good in regards to listings and pending..why would this office say that it is not pulling in that much work???
Posted by: MINDSUB

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 08:12 AM

This froy guy begs the question.. how can a guy do so much volume.. and not be on the gride- MLS- active Realtor- stats on any reliable site.. nothing.. i love it. OK.. so going off the gride.. dump the following or never sign up in the first place.. IN CAlif that is. NO.. NAR, CAR, MLS .. no active license.. gets clients to write the contracts.. be a priciple or middle man, someone else writes contract.. whatever.. you collect salary or consulting fee from outside corp.. NOT UNUSUAL in commercial deals without respa. So how do I really go off the gride.. use outside title companies.. maybe a couple so title reps dont beat you up for business and spread the word about your volume.. Ok ..lets talk
Posted by: 2good4u

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 08:25 AM

Mindsub you have to ask yourself what am I will to live with at the end of the day? I have asked myself this many of times what is it I want to deal with in this market. Ok this guy is suppose to blowing the top off of this market, but let's be real it's a short sale and REO market and not what it use to be!!! Can I run out and knock on ever door to see if their a short sale or not..no So who cares about this Froy guy he is not bringing in the numbers he use to when Mike Ferry was bragging about him!!
Posted by: MINDSUB

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/10 09:28 AM

froy- Ok.. create a corp or him as an individual..he dosent apply for any NAR,CAR,MLS or anything that makes you abide by rules-bylaws..U get a DRE license but its not active yet but you still have to disclose you r licensed..correct?.. you get software that gives you a MLS..get buyers and sellers together (data base) So, negate the DRE license for a minute. You get buyers and sellers together.. really investors that want to buy properties.. So.. outside of escrow Froy gets both the buyer and seller to agree to a consulting fee or finders fee which is not illegal in california. The investor writes the contract.. the seller signs.. in NORCAL escrow-title only knows about the parties involved in the contract-which are BUYER SELLERS. Fees can be negotiated outside of escrow-title. Finders fees or consulting fees amounts can vary from any percent or flat fee amount of purchase price. OK .. lets say the seller agrees to 2% and the buyer agrees to 2% of a total of a total purchase prine of 400k. cant his be done.. is this done now with buyer seller contracts?
Posted by: 2good4u

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/10 10:09 PM

Dearest Mindsub,
Froy's license is active he is just not working for a broker at this time. I have talk to the Century 21 down there and they have said he is not working for them and would not like to be contacted anymore. So I am not sure where to go from here, but you know i will not let up until I have found the answer.
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/10 07:19 AM

2good and Mindsub...your avatars look related. Wild.

I could bet the farm I saw Froy at a Subway Tuesday 2 weeks ago, the first of the month. He was smiling and doing the $5 foot long song with the employees. Mike Ferry was waiting in the van (I think he was on a call).
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/10 11:08 AM

I saw Froy yesterday in Troutsville Virginia. We stopped at a Cracker Barrel and lo and behold, there he was, selling one of his LA properties to a nice little retired couple while they ate their fried catfish and biscuits. Froy didn't care for the Sawmill gravy, unfortunately, he had more tables to work before he headed back to the streets of LA. Even on vacation the man is a powerhouse.
Posted by: pastmember

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/10 11:57 AM

Perhaps this new consumer product put a dent in Froy's business:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-R4zDKxdA
Posted by: MINDSUB

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/10 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Doin' bpose
2good and Mindsub...your avatars look related. Wild.

I could bet the farm I saw Froy at a Subway Tuesday 2 weeks ago, the first of the month. He was smiling and doing the $5 foot long song with the employees. Mike Ferry was waiting in the van (I think he was on a call).


Ya.. 2good4U is my business partner.... we got the avatar from the same place PA got his.. good //shiny .. avatars that make a statement.. whatever thats means.. LOL.

BY the way... I really did see froy at a mike ferry event.. he rode in on a unicorn.... I thought i saw a lamborghini key chain on its horn... amazing. Anyway.. gotta get back to my scripts.
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/10 08:33 PM

My Avatar is of a plane that is used as Air Force One. Since we are located near DC (as far as air space goes) The planes practice frequently touch and go landings at nearby airports. Of course the president is not aboard, so it is not really Air Force One. I love watching the planes fly because the pilots move the planes in ways traditional pilots do not move commercial air craft (but probably wish they could)...deep banking turns, rapid decents, and rocket like trajectory take offs.
Froy sold a retired AF1 pilot a condo in Vero Beach. His roommate had a younger sister who dated the cashier at the duty free shop at the very same airport--such a small world! Is that six degrees of seperation or WHAT? Anywho, that is how I have the inside scoop.
Posted by: ajaych

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/23/10 12:39 AM

From what I know, he's one of the greatest door knockers out there... most people just can't keep up with this guy and that's exactly why he does as many deals as he does. Mike Ferry preaches door knocking all the time and clearly it works.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/23/10 12:50 AM

The thread that never dies...
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/23/10 10:08 AM

The Cold Call Thread has surpassed this one, but I think that one will EVENTUALLY die...this one will not.

Hey look - I think I saw Froy sneaking around outside my window in the rain!!!
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 09/05/10 09:14 PM

I hope he will accept my friend request on FB. I need some help with Farmville.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 09/05/10 10:32 PM

He's probably killer at harvesting his crops! LOL
Posted by: PA Roadkill

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 09/06/10 05:33 AM

I was playing "Where's Waldo" a few years ago and found Froy instead
Posted by: Alwaysthenewbie

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/11 07:06 PM

It's obvious that everyone here is describing Chuck Norris. The guy's a legend. The reason you can't find him in google is the same reasion that you cannot google "the location of Chuck Norris".
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/11 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
The Cold Call Thread has surpassed this one, but I think that one will EVENTUALLY die...this one will not.

Hey look - I think I saw Froy sneaking around outside my window in the rain!!!


It's been about 9 months since it was posted in, but as you can see, I was partly right.
Posted by: Hunter 308

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/11 08:17 PM

Good to see you have a sense of humour. All the creative
power of your "brothers in arms" dont stand a chance
against the "Unlucky Ones".

My original hope with Lucky's thread was to see it surpass
the 100,000 mark due to the fact that I've been a prospector
for over 19 years and was keen to see our team victorious.

There are more guys in my area that call and if push comes
to shove I'll bring them on board, dont really wont them
to get smarter so I'm avoiding this for now, but it is
always an option.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/28/11 12:10 PM

Froy, my hero

Never had a California real estate license.

Never belonged to CAR

Never belonged to the MLS

Never found a title company that did any business with him.

Yet, he has outproduced me every year, what a guy!!!

My hero, he must return to the mother country between transactions because when I looked high and low for him, I couldn't find him, how do his clients find him?

He must be invisible, or maybe Ferry keeps him locked in a basement somewhere between appearances, we will never know. Wait a minute I know, The Shadow became a real estate agent and works under the alias Froy Candelario.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/28/11 01:05 PM

I don't see this as an Us Vs. Them forum. I see this as a forum where a variety of people can come and obtain support and advice that will fit in with their personality and style.

There will always be cold callers of some sort, there will always be SOI'ers, there will always be the annoying ones who just have stuff fall into their lap.

There is something for everyone in real estate, and not being a cold caller or door knocker does NOT make you a loser just like not being a blogger or online guru doesn't make you a loser either.
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 09:17 AM

Found him. He is licensed under Keller Williams North Valley in California. Eric Delgado who is another MFO superstar is the owner.

http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=00875305

http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=01893839

http://x358211.yourkwagent.com/ his KW default website

http://northvalley.yourkwoffice.com/ brokers website in KW

I looked up multiple searches. Seems he has NO listings unless he is putting them under someone elses name.

Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 11:35 AM

[quote=Erik Webster]Seems he has NO listings unless he is putting them under someone elses name.[/quote]

That's because he sells them all in less than 5 minutes!
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 02:40 PM

No thats not Mike Ferry, thats Craig Proctor smile

kidding, both are great trainers even if one has better net than the other :)~
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 02:51 PM

I thought you were talking about Froy Candelario.

He has stated in interviews that he spends no more than 5 minutes with a seller.
Posted by: J&E

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 03:06 PM

Some of these posts about this Froy guy are funny. Keep them coming. I’ve never heard of him. There are a lot of people out there that make a lot of money and have no life. It’s what they love to do.
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 03:22 PM

I think I may contact his KW office and ask for him. Hes like the Flying Dutchman of real estate. Hard to get any specifics on him.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/02/11 03:35 PM

It appears that I met him at a Superstar Retreat in '06. I still have his old business card with his picture on it.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/11 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: J&E
Some of these posts about this Froy guy are funny. Keep them coming. I’ve never heard of him. There are a lot of people out there that make a lot of money and have no life. It’s what they love to do.


and there are alot of poor people who have no life...
and lots of agents that are poor love to say but they have a great life..
really? i grew up poor in brooklyn ny..i had a life..twas nothing great about it..trust me..
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/11 10:10 AM

I think Froy served on the city council over in Eureka, CA. His platform was for sensible budgeting and higher wages for the fire fighters.

I saw him stump over at the Lost Coast Brewery there. After his speech he tossed darts with the locals. He tossed a triple 20 using the flip throw method. It was unbelievable.

He earned a few votes (and phone numbers) that day.

I forgot to mention the loggers. He threaded a needle there. The big scuttle butt in town was the jobs of the loggers were threatened by environmentalists who were concerned about the redwoods. Bothe sides presented strong cases. The came in enemies but left with arms on shoulders and a resolution that pleased everyone. Again Froy saved the day ad got several deal sout of the negotiation.

As side note he got a red cedar deck installed on the back of his house AT COST. That guy never ceases to amaze me.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/11 11:04 AM

Froy is hard to miss at Mike Ferry events... preceding his every entrance into any room a flock of doves fly in. It's f-ing beautiful.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/11 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: FL_Agent
It appears that I met him at a Superstar Retreat in '06. I still have his old business card with his picture on it.


Can you scan it and post it? It might be the only evidence in existence of his existence.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/03/11 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Erik Webster
I think I may contact his KW office and ask for him. Hes like the Flying Dutchman of real estate. Hard to get any specifics on him.


Ah, he's with KW now? I thought he was with C21.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/07/11 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Originally Posted By: FL_Agent
It appears that I met him at a Superstar Retreat in '06. I still have his old business card with his picture on it.


Can you scan it and post it? It might be the only evidence in existence of his existence.


My only concern is would he want his business card posted in a forum?
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 02:14 PM

It's a business card for heavens sake, what is a business card for if not public information. What top agent wouldn't want this kind of exposure for free. And why did you save his card?

Frankly, I think you and his card are BS. I know he isn't licensed in California and according to my inquiry with the California DRE never has been. I firmly believe I will meet big-foot before I meet a licensed Froy C.

It's been a lot of years since I first heard the name, maybe I should be checking death certificates.

I have a challenge for you out there, check with your state real estate office for a license and lets see if he has a license any where, and you can forget California.
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 03:18 PM

He exists, but as of right now he has no listings according to his KW brokerages IDX feed.

http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=00875305

http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=01893839

http://x358211.yourkwagent.com/ his KW default website

http://northvalley.yourkwoffice.com/ brokers website in KW
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 04:11 PM

Hmmm. I call BS.

Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Bay Area Brian
It's a business card for heavens sake, what is a business card for if not public information. What top agent wouldn't want this kind of exposure for free. And why did you save his card?

Frankly, I think you and his card are BS. I know he isn't licensed in California and according to my inquiry with the California DRE never has been. I firmly believe I will meet big-foot before I meet a licensed Froy C.

It's been a lot of years since I first heard the name, maybe I should be checking death certificates.

I have a challenge for you out there, check with your state real estate office for a license and lets see if he has a license any where, and you can forget California.



I'll post his card if you post yours with your picture.
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 07:01 PM

Ya Bay area Brian. Post your business card. I say you are not real. Won't believe it till I see your card. I call BS.

(the naysayers are quite the comedy club)
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 07:07 PM

Lucky did you even look at that website? Plus the two so-called DRE links won't load.

Froy is a myth created to give credibility to someone's coaching. Back in the days before the Internet it was easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Now, not so much.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 07:08 PM

Plus earlier in this thread he was supposed to have his own C21 office.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 08:26 PM

I have my picture on. And I have links to all my info. So. Post the card.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 09:25 PM

If I had one I would post it and ask for referrals. I'm inactive at the moment due to getting a heart transplant in Utah, but I can prove my status, check license #0318184 California Department of Real Estate.

The only thing wrong there is my start date for my brokers license, they had a problem with destroyed records and just used the earliest dates they could find for a ton of us. No big deal. I guess we should have filed our expired licenses so we could have given them a better date. Got a salesman's license in 1965.

Started as a real estate investor in 1955 one week after my 16th birthday with my older brother who was 19 and married so we could sign a contract. You had to be 21 then, well actually made my first investment at 12 but that is another story.

Plus my father was a builder-contractor so real estate wasn't anything new. On the other hand on my many trips to SoCal escrows and closings not a single one had done an escrow with this mythical hotshot.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 10:13 PM

That's cause he double ends every single deal Brian. That's why he has no listings online; he sells them before he has to put them on the MLS. His phone number is not on his so-called website because he's out pounding the pavement, he has no need of you calling him; just sit tight, he will call you; he will telepathically discover when you are ready to buy or sell and he will show up on your doorstep, miraculously, with either the perfect house (that he just listed) or the perfect buyer (that he just found by door knocking).

Now, to nay sayers like us that sounds ridiculous....but to the believers....it's 2nd only to the Holy Bible for inspiration...it is Real Estate Nirvana, it just IS.
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/14/11 10:25 PM

We all have a little Froy in us.

But only some of us have the courage to face the truth.

Don't deny your inner Froy.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:01 AM

I should channel it I know. I want to double end allof my deals too...putting them in the MLS is a PITA.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Plus the two so-called DRE links won't load.


Check the links again. Their servers were down.
I hope broker Brian is doing well. Out of thousands of agents on this forum Perky, you are one of the few that post your information. I'm sure that we also have other hot shot, top producer agents that have elected to remain anonymous.

Because the context of this thread is negative for Froy Candelario I won't be posting his card.

Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:37 AM

LOL. I figured as much. ROFL
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:38 AM

The context of this thread has been pretty negative almost from the get go; 25 pages worth! That didn't stop you from offering it a few posts back. ROFL
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:42 AM

Originally Posted By: FL_Agent
Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Plus the two so-called DRE links won't load.


Check the links again. Their servers were down.
I hope broker Brian is doing well. Out of thousands of agents on this forum Perky, you are one of the few that post your information. I'm sure that we also have other hot shot, top producer agents that have elected to remain anonymous.

Because the context of this thread is negative for Froy Candelario I won't be posting his card.



I checked...there is indeed a guy by that name with a license. but don't you think it's only a little odd/suspect that he has NO listings in the MLS? Just a little teensy weensy bit odd that such a powerhouse agent is an enigma to everyone except the Ferry Inner Circle?
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
The context of this thread has been pretty negative almost from the get go; 25 pages worth! That didn't stop you from offering it a few posts back. ROFL
Bay Area Brian put out a challenge and I responded, even called me BS and I responded impulsively. It's easy to put out that kind of challenge when it's not you on the line. I thought about it and it didn't feel right to post someone's picture on a thread that doesn't speak positively about that person, so I changed my mind.
Posted by: FL_Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 06:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Originally Posted By: FL_Agent
Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Plus the two so-called DRE links won't load.


Check the links again. Their servers were down.
I hope broker Brian is doing well. Out of thousands of agents on this forum Perky, you are one of the few that post your information. I'm sure that we also have other hot shot, top producer agents that have elected to remain anonymous.

Because the context of this thread is negative for Froy Candelario I won't be posting his card.



I checked...there is indeed a guy by that name with a license. but don't you think it's only a little odd/suspect that he has NO listings in the MLS? Just a little teensy weensy bit odd that such a powerhouse agent is an enigma to everyone except the Ferry Inner Circle?


It's interesting...I don't know either way [whether he is a top producer or not]
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 11:19 AM

[quote=Bay Area Brian]I know he isn't licensed in California and according to my inquiry with the California DRE never has been.[/quote]

I have seen Froy listed with the California DRE and also his wife.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: johnlvs2run
Originally Posted By: Bay Area Brian
I know he isn't licensed in California and according to my inquiry with the California DRE never has been.


I have seen Froy listed with the California DRE and also his wife.


i find it odd about all the negativity...
if it just in good fun then great..

but bad talking someone who may or may not exists?

there are lots of mike ferry superstars
doing 100, 200, 300 deals a year,..

so i dont get why people are in such disbelief..weird..
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 12:37 PM

Its 100% public record on the CA DRE website..

License Type:
SALESPERSON


Name:
Candelario, Froylan Jaramillo


Mailing Address:
17105 PARTHENIA ST
NORTHRIDGE, CA 91325


License ID:
00875305

Expiration Date:
11/17/13

License Status:
LICENSED

Salesperson License Issued:
11/02/84 (Unofficial -- taken from secondary records)

Former Name(s):
NO FORMER NAMES

Employing Broker:
License ID: 01893839
Brahms Holdings Inc
16842 DEVONSHIRE ST
GRANADA HILLS, CA 91344

Comment:
NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION
NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS

>>>> Public information request complete <<<<
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 12:38 PM

His Broker of Record, also accessed in 10 seconds or less in the CA DRE public records portion of the website..


License Type:
CORPORATION

Name:
Brahms Holdings Inc

Mailing Address:
16842 DEVONSHIRE ST
GRANADA HILLS, CA 91344

License ID:
01893839

Expiration Date:
01/11/15

License Status:
LICENSED

Corporation License Issued:
01/12/11

Former Name(s):
NO FORMER NAMES

Main Office:
16842 DEVONSHIRE ST
GRANADA HILLS, CA 91344

Licensed Officer(s):
DESIGNATED OFFICER
01403992 - Expiration Date: 01/11/15
Getz, Jennifer Dawn

DBA
Keller Williams Granada Hills
ACTIVE AS OF 02/07/2011

Keller Williams North Valley
ACTIVE AS OF 02/07/2011

Keller Williams Realty Granada Hills
ACTIVE AS OF 02/07/2011

Keller Williams Realty North Valley
ACTIVE AS OF 02/07/2011

Branches:
17802 CHATSWORTH ST
GRANADA HILLS, CA 91344

Salespersons:
There are currently 77 Salespersons affiliated with this Broker/Corporation.
RETRIEVE SALESPERSON LIST

Comment:
NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION

NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS

>>>> Public information request complete <<<<
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 01:00 PM

That what THEY want you to think.
Posted by: Andy Perkins

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 01:44 PM

I live a mile or so from that Keller Williams office. So I went in there to find out what's going on.

Sure enough, he's real. At least, the shrine in the back corner of the office (between the break room and the rest rooms) suggests so.

The receptionist also quietly confessed that he is part of the KW brokerage, but cast furtive, nervous glances around the room while she answered me.

The funny thing, though. You're not allowed to actually say the name "Froy" aloud inside the office. Much like not saying "Yahweh" aloud is part of the Jewish tradition. Trust me, I earned that the hard way; the managing broker actually had me forcibly removed from their office for violating that rule.
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Andy Perkins
I live a mile or so from that Keller Williams office. So I went in there to find out what's going on.

Sure enough, he's real. At least, the shrine in the back corner of the office (between the break room and the rest rooms) suggests so.

The receptionist also quietly confessed that he is part of the KW brokerage, but cast furtive, nervous glances around the room while she answered me.

The funny thing, though. You're not allowed to actually say the name "Froy" aloud inside the office. Much like not saying "Yahweh" aloud is part of the Jewish tradition. Trust me, I earned that the hard way; the managing broker actually had me forcibly removed from their office for violating that rule.


Part or all of that story is a joke right? They really didn't ask you to leave... did they?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/15/11 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: lindenmoe
Originally Posted By: johnlvs2run
Originally Posted By: Bay Area Brian
I know he isn't licensed in California and according to my inquiry with the California DRE never has been.


I have seen Froy listed with the California DRE and also his wife.


i find it odd about all the negativity...
if it just in good fun then great..

but bad talking someone who may or may not exists?

there are lots of mike ferry superstars
doing 100, 200, 300 deals a year,..

so i dont get why people are in such disbelief..weird..


Because of the almost god-like quality this guy has. He has been held up as some kind of golden boy of Mike Ferry's system and proof that it works - but when you try to make the rubber meet the road and prove some of his astonishing accomplishments - they are non-existent.

Which means someone is being deceptive somewhere along the line. If you don't have a problem with lying to impress your followers, then there is nothing I can say to that.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 12:32 AM

I'd wager that Froy makes much more money getting paid by the Mike Ferry organization to be one of its marketing gimmicks than he does selling real estate. If he ever knocked on my door at 6 a.m. in the morning, he would be in the back seat of a police car in about 7 minutes having to explain himself, and show his door-to-door license, which doesn't allow 6 a.m. solicitations. He wouldn't make quota that day. Matter of fact I'd probably sue him for disturbing the peace and creating a nuisance, what with all the dogs barking from his shenanigans and door knocking. Once in litigation, I'd subpoena all his 1099s to see what a phoney pony he is.
Posted by: jsteinhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 05:43 AM

Why are we spending so much time knocking a guy who walked 10 miles to school?

Uphill.

Both ways.

In three feet of snow.

Sounds like Froy is the real estate equivalent of a Chuck Norris joke.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Cave Man
I'd wager that Froy makes much more money getting paid by the Mike Ferry organization to be one of its marketing gimmicks than he does selling real estate. If he ever knocked on my door at 6 a.m. in the morning, he would be in the back seat of a police car in about 7 minutes having to explain himself, and show his door-to-door license, which doesn't allow 6 a.m. solicitations. He wouldn't make quota that day. Matter of fact I'd probably sue him for disturbing the peace and creating a nuisance, what with all the dogs barking from his shenanigans and door knocking. Once in litigation, I'd subpoena all his 1099s to see what a phoney pony he is.



I am a mike ferry student, funny i never heard mike ferry mention him once...
but i have met in person at the retreats agents like this..

24 year old girl doing 160 transactions in 2010
http://secure.oklahoman.net/myaccount/tearsheet_pdf.asp?tearid=2109126

or this 32 year old kid doing almost 200 transactions in 2010
http://jeffquintan.com

or the #1 agent in my market making over 1 million dollars a year 30 years old...
http://patricksouthern.blogspot.com/

so even if froy doesnt exist..these guys do..
to validate the power of that system
Posted by: Erik Webster

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: lindenmoe
Originally Posted By: Cave Man
I'd wager that Froy makes much more money getting paid by the Mike Ferry organization to be one of its marketing gimmicks than he does selling real estate. If he ever knocked on my door at 6 a.m. in the morning, he would be in the back seat of a police car in about 7 minutes having to explain himself, and show his door-to-door license, which doesn't allow 6 a.m. solicitations. He wouldn't make quota that day. Matter of fact I'd probably sue him for disturbing the peace and creating a nuisance, what with all the dogs barking from his shenanigans and door knocking. Once in litigation, I'd subpoena all his 1099s to see what a phoney pony he is.



I am a mike ferry student, funny i never heard mike ferry mention him once...
but i have met in person at the retreats agents like this..

24 year old girl doing 160 transactions in 2010
http://secure.oklahoman.net/myaccount/tearsheet_pdf.asp?tearid=2109126

or this 32 year old kid doing almost 200 transactions in 2010
http://jeffquintan.com

or the #1 agent in my market making over 1 million dollars a year 30 years old...
http://patricksouthern.blogspot.com/

so even if froy doesnt exist..these guys do..
to validate the power of that system


Don't forget folks like Chris Heller, Karen Bernardi, Liz Carter, Greg Harrelson, David Norberg, Neil Schwartz (owner of the #1 C21 in the world), Mike Darda, etc etc etc of agents who dominate by prospecting in their markets.
Posted by: Cave Man

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 01:12 PM

What amazes me is not that some other agents close a lot of transactions. I'll give them props. I am amazed at the number of zealots who accept hook, line and sinker the whopping tale that Froy sells 1500 homes a year by himself and that he double ends every transaction, even though, his adoring fans state, he is not a member of his local MLS nor a Realtor, and the reason why nobody can verify his sales, so it is said, is that it's all done very low key. If only I could package all the BS, I could fertilize all the farms in the country.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 03:27 PM

For all I know Ferry could have dropped Froy from his line up but he was talking about him in an interview in 2008 according to people here and on other threads. Additionally, Ferry mentioned Candeliero in this book ( tinyurlnotallowed/3k9qma3 )

I really don't give a hoot if he does exist or not. I do think it's bad business to use deception to sell a product or service. And the mere fact that this Froy person has not a single listing on the MLS and yet makes claims that are impossible to verify makes it MORE than suspicious IMHO.

And if I suspect someone is lying to me in one aspect in order to get my money, I'm sure they're lying in others.

Sorry, honesty is important to me.
Posted by: PA Roadkill

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 03:49 PM

I heard Froy invented eletricity, the telegraph, the telephone, the incandescent lightbulb and the internet.

He left real estate to pursue damages against Ben Franklin, Sam Morse, Al Bell, Tom Edison and Al gore
Posted by: 75Corvette

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/16/11 03:51 PM

But had to keep selling real estate to pay the lawyers?
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: lindenmoe


so even if froy doesnt exist..these guys do..
to validate the power of that system


I question the morals of a teacher who uses fairy tales disguised as TRUTH to his paying students. Seriously. I find it hard to believe that so many don't mind being deceived.

But then again, look at our politicians. They lie all the time and we still look the other way, excuse them, and vote for thema gain....
Posted by: deepsea

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 11:22 AM

Honestly I don't know why people waste so much time on this. MF said that Froy goes door to door, doesn't list anything in the MLS and double ends almost every sale. Unless you can prove its a lie, there is no point is speculating whether or not it's true or describing anything as "deceptive". I would be worried about libel speculating about something that damages the reputation of someone without concerete proof. Who cares anyway?

There is no doubt that the MF system works for those who follow it. Is it something I want to do? No.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 11:24 AM

Why do people talk about anything? Because it is interesting to them.

If you feel there is nothing to be accomplished in this thread you are more than welcome to not read it. :p
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 11:29 AM

I happened to see videos of Mike Ferry's seminars, about the time that Froy was beginning to attend them, by agents who purchased the videos. Ferry is quite a rude and insulting fellow. I don't know why any person would do business with him, except that he is very pushy and deceptive, not qualities to admire. Perhaps agents attend for the camaraderie with other agents who attend, as Mike Ferry himself is a good example of what not to do.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 12:05 PM

Originally Posted By: johnlvs2run
I happened to see videos of Mike Ferry's seminars, about the time that Froy was beginning to attend them, by agents who purchased the videos. Ferry is quite a rude and insulting fellow. I don't know why any person would do business with him, except that he is very pushy and deceptive, not qualities to admire. Perhaps agents attend for the camaraderie with other agents who attend, as Mike Ferry himself is a good example of what not to do.


mike is a rude and insulting..
as far as the reason we follow him..
is because it works..period.
it makes us money..period.
and i find out of all real estate trainers he tells the truth..
and its hard for mediocre agents to hear the truth..
that they are in general
a magic pill seeking bunch..
that they dont act like real estate is a real business..
as far as froy, goes..i never heard it discussed in mfo..
but none of you can prove he doesnt exist..
or prove mike ferry doesnt work..
in fact most of people on here use screen names..so maybe they dont exist...
for every froy..
i can name you 10 agents doing over 100 transactions making millions..
using mike ferry system..
making fun of froy is 1 thing..
trying to discredit the whole mike ferry system..is rather..silly
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 12:27 PM

[quote=lindenmoe]mike is a rude and insulting..
as far as the reason we follow him[/quote]

Of course there are many agents who would respect Mike Ferry for being rude and insulting.

As to his system, it is nonsense and proves nothing.

He is good at selling seminars though - if that's the type of thing that you like.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: johnlvs2run
Originally Posted By: lindenmoe
mike is a rude and insulting..
as far as the reason we follow him


Of course there are many agents who would respect Mike Ferry for being rude and insulting.

As to his system, it is nonsense and proves nothing.

He is good at selling seminars though - if that's the type of thing that you like.


what a weird thing to say..are you familiar with his system..

or are you one of those.."I got the magic pill ninja way to sell homes"

proves nothing? meaning lots of us using it to make lots of money?

as in his system works if you work it?

i mean thats a really wird thing to say..

like a fat person saying exercise and dieting proves nothing..lol
Posted by: barb43

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 03:33 PM

Well, linden, if MF's system works for you, that's great! Go work it, make lots of money & have a good life. Thumbs up to you, pats on the back, the whole enchilada of congratulations.

But I also wonder, if you're doing so great, how it is you can be on here defending MF so much - ?
Posted by: pastmember

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/17/11 05:48 PM

I am sure that the Ferry system works for some people..I take that back...I am sure that the Mike Ferry systems works VERY well for some people and that really isn't the debate/question here. I am also sure that Froy is a real person but I don't believe the Ferry tales on this legend.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 05:58 AM

Originally Posted By: barb43
Well, linden, if MF's system works for you, that's great! Go work it, make lots of money & have a good life. Thumbs up to you, pats on the back, the whole enchilada of congratulations.

But I also wonder, if you're doing so great, how it is you can be on here defending MF so much - ?


barb43,

awwwww ur sooo cute,..its called time management..i use a mojo auto dialer..most times im either on here before prospecting..8am-11am im on the phones..so if you see i posted during those hours, i have the dialer running..

and shouldnt you be out doing bpo's for like $10 per hour,..avoiding real buyers and sellers..joking..relax..

i post defense of his coaches and my other mentors..cause heaven forbid newbies read this stuff and think it doesnt work..


but your right, i should be out knocking on 1000 doors like froy..so i can do 1500 deals a day...like froy..lol
Posted by: Hunter 308

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 07:48 AM

I Don't get it at all. There are painting companies out
that only have 1 or 2 people in the company and then you
have companies with 30 employees. It's the same deal with
Froy, I called his company a couple times in the 1990 and
always spoke to Arila, she was door knocking herself 4 hours
a day and they had a bunch of students following up on all
their leads. So keep in mind when you look at Froy you are
looking at anywere between 5-7 people. I suspect Froy has
made his money and or had a heart attack and got afraid of
working 100 hours a week.

Same deal in our office, out top agent has 3 people working full time for her. Bill Gates couldn't have done everything
himself either same holds true for Mike Ferry I'm sure he has at least 10 people working for him.

Price Waterhouse Coopers has over 100,000 people working for them world wide, I do a lot of their relocation work and I don't see you guys making fun of them because they wood sue the heck out of all of you..
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 09:33 AM

Price Waterhouse Coopers had some employees who walked into a bar and sat down next to two salesmen (one was Mike Ferry and one was Froy Cadleino).

Water house employees asked Froy for a light and Mike Ferry was supposed to have said, there is no room for smokers allowed in my outfit. Now who rents and is tired of flushing that rent check down the toilet every month? I'm taking numbers and my main man Froy is going to close the deal for me.

At that point a Rabbi and a Catholic Priest stumbled in with who of all people between them----Raquel Welch.

They all had a good laugh.
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 11:01 AM

[quote=lindenmoe]i use a mojo auto dialer..most times im either on here before prospecting..8am-11am im on the phones..so if you see i posted during those hours, i have the dialer running..[/quote]

so mf taut u 2 use an auto dialer and cit on ur b from 8-11am.

i see ur point ---- it works if u do right.
Posted by: barb43

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 12:11 PM

Originally Posted By: lindenmoe


barb43,

and shouldnt you be out doing bpo's for like $10 per hour,..avoiding real buyers and sellers..joking..relax..


You made me laugh, linden. smile

I do it all - I do bpos, sell reos, list and sell fair market value homes. Plus, I own and manage my own rental properties.

edited to add: so no hard feelings on my part, just trying to figure out why you were defending mf so hard.
Posted by: lindenmoe

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/18/11 12:46 PM

i only defend stuff that has made me money..
'most trainings out there, and just advice in general about our business is garbage..
i would never defend, open houses, floor time or magic pills cause that stuff never made me a penny..in fact the whole social media thing everybody preaching never made me a penny...

soooo...thats why the mf defense...
the guy put money in my pocket..


other guy,
nah actually i prospect standing up listening to music to maintain my energy..and dont tell mike ferry about the auto-dialer..he will yell and call me lazy..lol
Posted by: chrisS

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/19/11 08:54 PM

i'm thinking of skipping the real estate career and inventing a 'system' instead.

i'm thinking it could involve talking to a thousand people per day in person, calling a thousand people per day, working 16 hours a day/ 7 days a week and generally just reading my scripts....that of course are written at a 6th grade level. as long as you speak to people 'at a 6th grade level', you will cash in!

i'd bet if you follow my 'system'...you will do well and you can hold your head high!

or is this some sort of infringement...
Posted by: Hunter 308

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/20/11 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: chrisS


or is this some sort of infringement...



Sound like your a guy who likes to think up things rather
than do anything, not unlike most agents.

I do believe Mcdonalds is already doing your plan with hamburgers and they can afford to sue people who copy their
battle plan, so, take care.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/28/11 07:33 PM

Wow. I am the original poster to this thread. Never would have imagined the controversy over this thread. I was just looking for additional info in regards to Froy.

I found this interview of Froy with Mike Ferry. I also have an interview of Mike Ferry with Karen Bernardi (100+ million a year producer) and in that interview...Mike says that Froy makes over 20 million per year in commission...not production, but commission.

Here is the link to hear the Froy interview with Mike Ferry:

https://rapidshare.com/files/795045774/froy_candelario_12-13-07.mp3
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/28/11 07:43 PM

Here is Mike talking with superstar Karen Bernardi...

In this interview they discuss Froy briefly...Karen Bernardi sells 150-200 million per year in real estate.

And she is blown away by Froy. At 10min 40sec...Mike Ferry says Froy's goal for year was to make 20+ million in commissions for the year. Karen says "i can't believe"... Karen goal was 4.5 million in commissions.

I have no reason to believe that Mike Ferry and Karen Bernardi...2 of the most powerful Real Estate voices in the country would lie about a person like Froy....

https://rapidshare.com/files/585794123/karen_bernardi_12-14-07.mp3
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/28/11 07:59 PM

*s-t-r-e-t-c-h*

This thread had a nice long nap.


*y---a---w---n*****
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/28/11 08:06 PM

In that interview with Froy...Froy gives out his email address.

So if people have questions, they could email him.

Couple of years ago, i emailed Froy and almost flew to California to watch him prospect. His wife said I could come out and follow him, etc. But the fee was $450.00 per day.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/29/11 01:39 PM

I would probably gladly pay that amount just to see his California real estate license.

Check the California Dept of RE site and you will see there is no such person licensed in California, so as far as I'm concerned he is a fraud, let one of the hotshots that interviewed him provide a license number, an item he would have to produce when asked when doing agent business, so not a secret. Fact, California law requires the license number be placed in any solicitation for business.

Never met a client of his, never met a title person who did business with him, never met an agent who done a deal with him, and never had him listed as a member of any MLS or association that I checked with, and with that volume he should have left tracks in the snow somewhere if he is legit.
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/29/11 02:40 PM

If Froy is a fraud then Mike Ferry is a fraud.

Surely this can't be the case.
Posted by: Andy Perkins

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/29/11 03:42 PM

Brian, it's already been established that he does have an active real estate license, and he's working through one of my local Keller Williams offices. If you click here, you can even see what he looks like.

Edit: He even has a Facebook page now.

So, at least, he does exist. Though he doesn't show up on my MLS roster, and despite the fact that I both live and work in his home turf I have still never seen or heard of him locally, nor have I actually heard his name mentioned by anyone else with whom I do business.
Posted by: carl1234

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/29/11 05:32 PM

Obviously he is a real person. A lot of people have met him, spoken to him, no way Mike Ferry made him up. Listen to the interview.

The question i have is on his production: Let's assume he does "double end" every deal. So he makes 6 million dollars per 100 million of volume...That would mean he was selling in excess of 300 million in volume for 18+ million in commissions.

Based on 800 home sales he would have to have nearly $500k average sales price???

I just don't buy that he is selling at the volume that he claims....and he also states that he deals almost exclusively with the latino community as his english is very poor (you can hear him in that interview)
Posted by: PA Roadkill

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/30/11 05:44 AM

He has only 30 friends on Facebook and hasn't posted anything since July 25 when it was set up.
Posted by: ramanda

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/30/11 06:49 AM

I'm don't know much about Froy but if i was busy selling that much real estate i don't think i would have much time for facebook. In fact i just got rid of my fb account as i found it was just sucking up too much of time and for nothing really.
Posted by: johnlvs2run

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/30/11 10:45 AM

I tried to get rid of facebook for years but it kept my info on there anyway. Recently it doesn't let me sign on anymore. So I'm not there, but I am, but I'm not.
Posted by: Perky_REALTOR

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/30/11 12:17 PM

Frankly I think what is fake is the stories and production numbers about him.

I think his production has turned into a huge urban legend.

Then for a while we couldn't find any data on his license, if you recall. So...there is something fishy about it. Just because he has a facebook page and an email address and a spot on Keller Williams website doesn't make the claims about him true.

And frankly if he were this awesome with what he does and he doesn't need no stinkin' MLS why is he going from franchise to franchise? (C21, now KW)? Why doesn't he open his own shop if he's so smart and successful at double ending everything he lists?

Something is not right.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/01/12 05:37 PM

Andy

Thanks for the info, but why didn't he show up all the times we looked for him at DRE, if he was licensed in 1984. My curiousity searchs spelled his name right and DRE doesn't allowed unlisted license status. I always thought he must be using an investor approach, and acting as a principal to avoid agent status.

I don't know why I even joined this thread, I buried Froy a long time ago and may he RIP, so unless he shows up in my market place, he doesn't count. His volume suggests you only need to open the phone book to see his past client list. That's a thought start cold calling with the opening line do you know Froy? Not soliciting business, so not a DNC list violation, just hunting for Froy.
Posted by: Jorge Inzunza

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/12 03:09 AM

Having known personally Mr Froy Candelario and Mr Neil Schwartz, i can say that i noticed two things in common... They both focus in their business 100% and both fight to keep focused on it each day. There's No magic formulas here, just hard work and to be constant. They prospect Daily whether in the mood or not, Keep their teams focused and both take care of their families. Both follow the MF system and are succesful. Definitely two good role models with a simple, and unexpensive workable system: prospecting.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/12 11:46 AM

This again?

Froy is a sham... This is coming from me a Mike Ferry 1:1 client.
Posted by: NC Broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/02/12 08:35 AM

Originally Posted By: niche
This again?

Froy is a sham... This is coming from me a Mike Ferry 1:1 client.


^^^^ I don't know if he was a complete sham but I don't think he did the volume that was rumored.

I have heard a recorded one on one conference call with Froy and Mike Ferry. Apparently he deals mainly with the Hispanic market per his conversation.

He stated that his schedule was like this:

3:30am - Gym

6:30am - 2pm If a light is on at a home in the morning, he knocks on the door. Expireds, FSBO or whatever.

2pm-4pm - Calls Expired, FSBO, Past clients calls looking for referrals.

4pm-6pm - He meets new clients and they come to his office. His staff runs through his listing presentation, the CMA then they send them to Froy for about 5 minutes and they sign the listing agreement. He said that he list 6-8 houses a day.

^^^ I don't know how much I believe this but if you have the right staff who can handle the volume I don't really see why it wouldn't be possible. He only handles face to face with people and nothing else is handled by him. His staff did everything else.

I don't think he is active anymore and heard that he burned out.
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/02/12 12:29 PM

Able to list 4 duplexes and 3 condos in a single bound!

Faster than a speeding Toyota Prious with a stuck accelerator.

It's a bird!

It's a plane!

It's Froy!
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/03/12 01:41 PM

Quote:
^^^^ I don't know if he was a complete sham but I don't think he did the volume that was rumored.


I'm not saying that those numbers are not possible. Just that Froy doesn't have them. There is no proof, mls, escrow, or title data to support them.

I've hung out with the guy and Froy is a cool guy. He even did a deal in AZ with a friend of mine where he found both listing and buyer on his own and my friend just served as the agent of record in AZ. I'm sure he does well, but I think he let the hype of Superstar retreats get to him and he exaggerated numbers for recognition.
Posted by: Bay Area Brian

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/04/12 04:52 PM

The myth continues. I was in L.A.County about a month ago and when I go any where real estate related In SoCal I always ask about Froy. This time most of my activity was near the Barrio and guess what, no one had met or done business with him, Wow, what a surprise.
Posted by: MikeCO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/06/12 09:13 PM

I heard Froy was a door knocking expert?

Here is the story I remember hearing from Mike Ferry at a seminar years ago...

Froy was a Mexican orphan, who grew up in a cave with a donkey, moved to USA to pound nails on roofs, and did not speak English when he started in the business. (No kidding.)

Froy went to a Ferry seminar and asked Mike what to do on a break. The communication barrier resulted in one message, "just knock on doors all day long".

Froy committed, knocked doors for 6 hours per day, and walked through 7 cities per year.

Froy lined up sellers in his office at night for group listing appointments. It consisted of sellers reading a set of rules posted on the walls. Then signing with Froy.

Froy closed 400 transactions per year and grossed $2.4 million per year.

That was the story I remember hearing (it really stuck with me).

BUT $22.5 million GCI. Does that sound right?

How much sales volume would he have to sell?

$700 million? $800 million? In one year?

Maybe huge a company. One agent?

Sounds like lore.
Posted by: johnnyloans

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/07/12 03:46 AM

Froy is a salesperson in the san fernando valley no longer with keller williams now with the real estate plaza inc licensed since 1984.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/09/12 11:41 AM

Quote:
Sounds like lore.


One part of the myth that is true is that Froy comes from a poor area of Mexico. I've hung out with him and it's really interesting because I'm a native Spanish speaker and Froys Spanish is not very good at all. I asked him why and it turns out his first language is a native dialect.

This is the guy did very well for himself. My dad who's been in agent in the San Fernando Valley and is not a Mike Ferry guy had heard of this little mexican guy who sells a bunch by door knocking. The numbers just got blown out of proportion.
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/10/12 08:33 AM

He is very real. You can add whatever production numbers you want. Doesnt matter. The point is that he outprospected and outworked most if not all agents. So what's not to admire?
Posted by: HAyala

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 09/05/12 04:23 PM

I have to agree. I did spend the day with him way back in 94 or 95. I can't say that I've seen him sell xxx homes but his work ethic was admirable. I'd like to emulate that.
Posted by: S. Florida Agent

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 09/22/12 06:24 PM

Any idea how to make even 100 listing contacts a day would be appreciated? Thank u
Posted by: TOP END Props

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/28/12 02:58 AM

Heres his website: http://froy-candelario.myrealestateplaza.com

The rumors appear to be a 'Ferry' Tale.
Posted by: Sansoni Home

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/04/13 09:29 AM

One thing I know about the Ferry tales is a lot of the "top, top" producers there call out thier volume by what their whole business closes. For example a Broker with 20+ agents with an average ppp of 12 deals a year will say they close 240+ sales a year on stage for the Ferry events. What they should do is have each agent come up to get their credit.
Posted by: jschiller

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/14/13 09:49 AM

I agree 100%. Needless to say this guy has no life, no kids, etc.. There is no way if you are doing that much business. UNLESS, of course he has a full team doing the work for him and he is taking all the credit. But more power to him.



Posted by: johnnyloans

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/15/13 06:18 PM

He does have a website now.
Posted by: HAyala

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 01/27/13 04:39 PM

Hello All,
I was reading through this thread as well as a few others. I ran across posts about Froy Candelario. Just wanted to say although I'm NO expert when it comes to him or his business but this is what I remember after spending the day with him.

The schedule posted previously is pretty much the same 6AM until about 8AM he'll drop a flyer or speak to whom ever is home and answers the door. From about 8AM until 3-3:30 he actually "knocks on" the door. He announces his presence before even getting to the door. As he's walking up the walk way. "Hello this is Froy... Hello" and it's pretty loud but not overbearing. When he gets to the door most of the time whom ever is home is already at the door waiting for him because of the announcement. He does his script and hands them a business card. If the person is an appointment (not a lead), on the back of his card is a schedule Mon - Fri. with a date and time, very similar to a doctor or dentist office. At the bottom it has in bold letter "Please be on time" (he does not follow up with them, they either show up or don't). He writes the appointment in his appointment book with the address. It may be different now since there are many great phones that have apps for schedules. He does take a lunch from 12-1 then back to the door until 3-3:30. He knocked on about 70-85 doors per hour and made about 15-20 actual contacts per hour. I believe he scheduled 4 or 5 appointments that day from door knocking he mentioned to me that about 1/2 show up.

I think it's important to note he walked very fast and always took the shortest possible route. Even when it meant going through a bush or across the lawn from one lawn. Also the flyer left behind was basic, a flat color in this case if was a very light green with black and white printing. It had his picture his telephone number the home he just listed or sold on one side and on the back it was a list of his listings just an address, bedrooms baths square footage and price. He only handed business cards to contacts and only wrote on the back of the card for an appointment.(He didn't take down information for "leads" only for appointments. From there we drove back to his office and he started cold calling straight out of a list from title company (again this was a few years back before there were any issues about title doing extras) again the script was the basic mike ferry script just listed or just sold. If he scheduled an appointment he placed them on hold and his wife picked up and did the scheduling.

He would have all of his appointments in his office (buyer and or seller) and would stop calling once they have come in and he sat with them for about 5 minutes to take the listing of not. He mentioned that he would take about 1/2 of the appointments that came in. Once the appointment was over with, he was back on the phone. I remember he had 2 appointments come in that day. 1 buyer 1 seller. I think the seller had been there before because it was very quick. The buyer appointment was a bit longer than 5 minutes. He asked them what payment they felt comfortable with and went down the list of his listings. He gave the buyer a purchase agreement and sent them on their way to go see the homes on the list and asked the buyer to call him from the home they wanted to purchase. (I asked why) he said so that he can tell them what to fill out and sign and and either leave behind for the seller to sign or have the seller sign there and then. He continued until 7pm when I left. Pretty unbelievable. Once a home is negotiated, his wife opened escrow and the escrow office and or lender had to do all the follow up and report to his staff, which consisted of his wife as an assistant/ office manager, a receptionist and at the time 1 other agent who did the same thing he did on a daily basis but had his own production and numbers and was on a 50/50 split with him (again the agents production numbers were not counted as Froy's). That was the day nothing extraordinary just consistent work from start to finish. During the door knock i'd say he "knocked on" about 500-550 doors from 8 to 3:30 and made about 120 contacts and set 4 appointments if I remember correctly. He made many dials (i'd say at least 100 per hour while at the office) and contacted many more folks from 3:30, 3:45 to 7:30 (maybe 25-30 per hour.) He had 2 appointments come in but neither was from the appointments set earlier in the day. I believe he still allows for agents to shadow him throughout the day. I have to say it was an awesome day believe it or not, I did go home tired though!
Posted by: johnnyloans

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/06/13 09:11 PM

why are all 5 of your posts Froy posts?
Posted by: Doin' bpose

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/07/13 10:37 AM

He's real. I liked his FB page. His and Captain Tuttle's. Both of them walk fast.
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/07/13 12:49 PM

The thread that never dies...

Epic Froy!
Posted by: Okeydoka

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/07/13 04:26 PM

Regarding HAyala's most recent post about Froy.

BULL 100% bullcrap. Bull, bull, and more bull. Did I mention that this is bull?
Posted by: broker

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/07/13 07:43 PM

OMG. Perhaps Froy can talk to Bernanke and sell him on the fact that he needs to stop printing. This would be after he sold a house that morning and sometime before lunch. Froy should be able to do that no problem.
Posted by: Lucky Leonardo

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 02/13/13 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: broker
OMG. Perhaps Froy can talk to Bernanke and sell him on the fact that he needs to stop printing. This would be after he sold a house that morning and sometime before lunch. Froy should be able to do that no problem.


I'm Canadian. What's this printing all about? Who gets all the printed money? Do they borrow it? Does someone get it for free? Where does it go?

I understand it computer generated but what is it used for? Is it to pay your bills so its simply more borrowed money?
Posted by: HAyala

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/08/13 01:10 PM

LOL So sorry you don't believe me or the post. I don't know what else to say. Again this was back in '94-'95 when I went out there. I've never been able to replicate it myself but that is what happened that day...
Posted by: HAyala

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/08/13 01:18 PM

[quote=johnnyloans]why are all 5 of your posts Froy posts? [/quote]

I honestly didn't realize they were... I've asked questions to folks throughout this thread as well as the 100 contacts thread. They must have been direct to the person on the thread, but either way believe it or not it's up to the reader. This is what happened.
Posted by: Joe Hayden

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/14/13 04:03 PM

I'm concerned for this man's health... If real, this is far too much...
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/16/13 05:09 AM

Let's revive this thread for the fun of it!

For those of you who wonder who he is. This is the real Froy:

http://froy-candelario.myrealestateplaza.com/

He's a real guy. I've met him and he's a nice person. I don't believe the hype about him, though.
Posted by: Rainbowtyedye

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/17/13 05:11 AM

I was impressed with his "about me" section. He really is living The American Dream.

But the last 2 paragraphs befuddled me. Iacocca retired back in 1992, so why is he calling Detroit 3 times a week to try to get in touch with him? I'm not sure, but I think he's living in California now.
Posted by: gitmonee

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/18/13 09:56 PM

Waking this thread from the dead.

I'm a new agent, and was intrigued by this folklore.
so I went on my MLS and looked Froy up by his license number and MLS ID. 58 of his listings showed up, 46 from this year.

What is clear is that my MLS is not complete, and only goes back 2 years, so all of froy's listings are not there.

Most of froy's listings are short sales ranging from $100k-300k. All considered low value crap houses here in socal, and they are all over the place. He takes listings from everywhere within a 50 mile radius.

Most of the listings changed to Pending within 2 days. He sells em quick.
Posted by: Torrey

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/22/13 11:48 AM

gitmonee,
I was on Froy's team in the late 1990's when his office was on Parthenia with his wife. I can answer any questions you may have. I have a unique perspective, unlike other member's on this thread, I was able to be along side Froy on a daily basis and see inside the machine in detail. Most, on this forum, are trying to figure out his systems and some have even gone on one day shadowing trips. (Going on One day shadowing trips only gives you a small look at the entire system, obviously) But I was on his team for almost 6 months.

I've been reluctant to post here, because I can see all of the blowback people were receiving from other members that accuse them of lieing or being gullible. I can tell you that most of the stuff on here is pretty accurate as far as how he tries to follow his schedule. Just to set the record straight. His Closed Transactions numbers are all a FACADE. Sorry to break it to all you Believers. I think Mike Ferry also believed his production numbers at that time. The members on here that believe that Mike Ferry somehow orchestrated this whole story to sell more tix or coaching are completely misguided. At that time there was no Internet so Froy could say his production was anything he wanted and it was impossible to get the entire truth. Did Mike Ferry believe him and use this to show his system of selling real estate worked. Of course he did. Did Froy perpetuate this lie so that 100's of realtors would pay to shadow him. Sadly Yes. He even went as far as to say that he was rich enough and that all the shadowing money was going to be donated to children in Mexico because he didn't need the money. Sadly, Froy studied the MFO system, grossly exagerated his numbers and was regimentaly on schedule only when people would pay and shadow him.
Now with the stats available easily, Froy was exposed to MF and last I heard he got banned from MFO. If you want I'm sure you can ask Mike ferry at his next retreat about Froy and he'll tell you straight he's a fraud. Think about it, he had 100's of other student's like Valerie Fitzgerald, Walter Sanford, Monica Reynolds, Neil Weichel, Neil Schwartz, Tim Wood, Tony Dicello, Andrew Lacey, Irma Adams, Greg Harrelson, Jeff Quintin, Karen Bernardi, Joan Pate etc. Who were all successful following the the MFO system legitimately.



For other proof heres Froy's numbers

http://www.listingpointrealty.com/realtor/froylan-candelario-real-estate-agent-sold-listings-F207058102

11 closed deals in the last 12 months and nothing has closed in the last 5 months. What you were refering to is his 31 pendings. Normally his deals never close. Froy tries to double end all his deals and has a list of Investors that he tries to double end his listings. Froy writes his investor offers at 20%below fair market because he wants to flip the home again to an end buyer.(He wants enough for his commissions and net the investor a nominal percent) So Listings-Investor-Investor-Buyers, 4 commissions from one deal. Pretty ingenius system if it works. The problem is these are all short sales and they will need bank approval on the price. So he'll write an offer at 20% below BPO and the deal will never get through. Most banks will rarely go more than 15% below FMV. Sometimes they will but that's the rare exception. Anyways the truth is his closed deals is 11 sales for 12 months. Not 1000 sales. You can disregard his pendings cause they won't close. He puts pending after 2 days because it's his own investor offer he has negotiating with the bank and he doesn't want outside agents bringing the buyer.

Another trick he used was completely illegal. He would lie to the short sale seller that he had investors that would buy their property and rent it back to them and then when they could qualify for a loan the investor would sell it back to them. The whole time they could remain in the house. Completely illegal and after the owners signed to short sell they would be kicked out when the home was sold. That was his main pitch to short sale sellers to get them to sign.

Back in the day he would ask standard sellers if they would accept an offer from him to sell their house. The offer was a low ball investor offer and most sellers would obviously not take it. Then he would try and list the home if they didn't agree to his low ball offer. Now he had the listing, he would not expose it on the mls and would tell the seller that the best offer he could bring them was the low ball investor offer again. At the same time he would be looking for an end buyer to buy it from the investor.

Obviously, If you do not believe me, I heard Froy works for KW now, I suggest you go to KW in the valley and ask to be on his team, and verify everything I'm saying. Im sure he will take you on his team. Why do I know he'll take you on his team. Because Froy will try to exploit anyone he comes in contact with. If he can control you and use you he will. If you will prospect for him or go on runs for him and get contracts signed he will gladly take you on because he is Dead Poor. He has no Car or Drivers License. So he might ask you to drive him around or maybe even live with you. Honestly. I can't make this stuff up. I am suggest any doubters go and be on his team or ask Mike Ferry yourself . He always had these crazy stories of how his Rolls Royce was in his house in Callabasas or Beverly Hills. (He lives in a small house in the Valley, and doesnt have a house in Beverly Hills)

He'll more then likely be trying to do the same scam he's always done. You'll see him with his FAKE Rolex, Yes, it's 100% Fake. Any Novice will know it's fake. He is Very charming as most Narcissists are but you will see very little production working with him. When I was with him he seemed poor all the time. And he would say he gave all his money away to needy children because he doesn't care about himself and having money. Then why wear a fake Rolex and have MontBlanc Pens in your pocket and have a picture of a Rolls Royce on your Business Card? Because you don't care about money and looking flashy? BTW the Rolls Royce pic was taken at a Dealership.

Another Website that details Froy's methods are found at
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-818-892-9314

The information here is interesting because it's written by alot of consumers.

I will answer any questions you have, I will ignore all posts that call me out as a liar. I have no time for that and as I said earlier, I suggest you verify all my claims by asking Mike Ferry or looking at his closed MLS numbers or actually be on his team yourself.

Chris
Posted by: niche

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/22/13 04:23 PM

^^^^

I totally believe this.

FYI, Monica Reynolds is not that big a producer...

But Mike Ferry can say he's built up guys like Chris Heller and others with verifiable numbers.
Posted by: gitmonee

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/22/13 10:41 PM



That is hilarious that he would post a picture of a rolls royce on his business card. Super tacky and unprofessional. I guess his broke sellers were stupid and fell for it.

My instructor was telling us that Mexican and Vietnamese immigrant agents have the highest number of license suspensions and revocations in california.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/24/13 12:16 PM

-chris

Froy is now with Real Estate Plaza.
I'm at the Keller Williams Office he used to work at.
I can identify with most of what you are saying.
I heard he had only 1 sale the entire year he was working here.
He said he left residential sales 5 years ago for a few years to go into bulk sales.
Sounds like after he was banned from going to seminars, and he lost his meal-ticket with agents shadowing him, so he had to lay low for awhile and re-group.
He said he did bulk deals while he was gone and made $10 million a year but decided to give it all away to charity.(Uh... Yeah right)
He always seemed to shy away from the past, he didn't want anyone to know he claimed to do 1000's of deals a year.
I totally believe what you said about exploiting other agents.
The entire office knew he was using his buyers agents cars.
He told everyone in the office he didn't need a driver's license becuz he used to have a chauffeur or that others would do his errands.
Since he lost the network of agents coming to him thru the seminars he's now trying to make his real estate business work.
The thing is he never got the business to work in the past and he doesn't know how to make it work now properly.
His Social Media page says single and looking to meet Women from Beverly Hills. (Bwah Ha Ha!!)
Looks like his next scam is to prey on some Sugar Momma's?
A leopard can never change it's spots!!

Will
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/25/13 04:50 AM

[quote=HAyala]LOL So sorry you don't believe me or the post. I don't know what else to say. Again this was back in '94-'95 when I went out there. I've never been able to replicate it myself but that is what happened that day... [/quote]

Froy's website says he has over 12 years of experience...if you met him in 94-95 that would mean he has 18-19 years experience...I don't know too many Realtors that under exaggerate their length of time at being a Realtor.
Posted by: Torrey

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/25/13 06:22 AM

MOMO,

I believe most Top Producers are ethical and come from a good place. If you've ever met Froy for any long period of time you'll realize he's a compulsive Liar. I hate to call anyone that, however, I wouldn't trust anything he says on his Facebook page.

I do know he was banned from going to seminars for a long time and another poster said he was trying to sell Bulk deals for awhile before coming back into the business. Maybe that's the difference in years. I don't know.

I believe most people think normally and rationally, unfortunately it'll be difficult for most to understand the parasitic mind and the Enigma which is Froy.


In regards to HAyala's quote. The link below is an excerpt from Mike Ferry's early book. If you buy it on page 170 it'll say that Froy Candelario did 250 transactions. And this book was written in 1993. Yes Sadly, even Mike Ferry was duped into believing Froy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=aMeHsGuiDi8C&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=froy+candelario+mike+ferry+six&source=bl&ots=pSdGN1b8sy&sig=7pg5K47yKAkX3dw96UI5wFCY4iw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yH6TUu3aMc3xoATk54LICg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=froy%20candelario%20mike%20ferry%20six&f=false

Chris
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/25/13 07:10 AM

This thread started over 5 years ago and has over 500k views and we are finally getting people to admit that Froy was/is a fraud...yes the name is real but the legend is not.
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/25/13 07:12 AM

btw...If Mike Ferry was duped then he must not have tried very hard to research Froy but why should he...the golden goose was laying golden eggs for him.
Posted by: Torrey

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/25/13 07:47 AM

Yup yup, you are totally correct...
Posted by: 75Corvette

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/26/13 04:10 AM

Isn't this whole thread an advertisement for just going out and being "ourselves," rather than a pre-packaged someone else? I've attended a couple of seminars over the years--not Mike Ferry--and it seems to me that they hype you up to buy their junk and that's it. Golden Rule, people, Golden Rule. Take it to heart and you'll be fine.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/27/13 11:37 AM

Here's a pic of Froy at MyRealEstatePlaza....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=235648283204879&set=pb.141894379246937.-2207520000.1385591600.&type=3&theater
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/27/13 02:30 PM

[quote=sfvhomes]Here's a pic of Froy at MyRealEstatePlaza....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=235648283204879&set=pb.141894379246937.-2207520000.1385591600.&type=3&theater [/quote]

Cool...thanks for the link and maybe he will be my friend
Posted by: IDCThatsWhy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/08/13 06:29 AM

Wow, sounds like a few agents in soFlo....surprised KW took him on. Thanks for putting yourself out there and giving the insider perspective.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 12/10/13 07:12 PM

He hasn't been at KW for over a year. I think he can get a job anywhere since most people do not really know the truth about this guy. And which broker wouldn't want Froy if all they heard was the urban legend. He was here for about a year and he was slowly pushed out because a lack of production and he was bad for the office culture. Seems he's doing better now at 10 deals for the last 12 months. Btw. Sorry to hear there's agents like this in soFlo....
Posted by: johnnyloans

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/28/14 05:38 PM

Had a buyer call on a Froy listing I called him and one of his team members returned the call but was no help at all.
Posted by: gitmonee

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/29/14 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: johnnyloans
Had a buyer call on a Froy listing I called him and one of his team members returned the call but was no help at all.


not surprised. This guy is the worst of the worst. He only deals with short sales and defaults, and he uses google streetview pics instead of physically going out to the homes.

He doesn't update MLS status. Crap is pending for a year. Just look at this mess...

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2pyztif.jpg
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/31/14 09:38 AM

Yeah no surprises here as well, This guy is Low of all Low,

I know an investor (he also has his Brokers license) that called Froy, this investor wanted to purchase one of Froy's short sale listings. Froy told him he had to come to his office to discuss the deal and hurry because he has over 20 offers on the property already. When the investor told Froy that he was a broker and wanted to represent himself in the transaction. Froy told him NO, and that he'll only do the deal if Froy represented him on the buy side. The deal never went thru and the home went to foreclosure. So Froy lied about having twenty offers and screwed the seller's credit all because he didn't want to share his 6 percent commission.

His small group is run by Jennifer Ya Wen Padich. I think most agents are easily mislead, because we all secretly crave direction and look towards people with strong personalities to show us the way. Froy knows this and uses alot of lies and deception to his advantage. She's probably who you spoke too and shes one of Froy's puppets. Here's her pic

https://www.facebook.com/Myrealestateplaza.com.Official/photos/pb.141894379246937.-2207520000.1396291305./286782304758143/?type=3&theater


Will
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/31/14 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: sfvhomes
". . . this investor wanted to purchase one of Froy's short sale listings . . . When the investor told Froy that he was a broker and wanted to represent himself in the transaction. Froy told him NO, and that he'll only do the deal if Froy represented him on the buy side . . ."


Is Dual Agency even permitted in California ?
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 03/31/14 04:20 PM

Good question Vermont, honestly I'm not sure. I'm assuming your referring to short sales in particular. My guess is yes it's allowed as long as everything is fully disclosed. I believe loss mitigators will try to chisel down your commission if they see your double popping tho. However if you been around this business long enough you know there ways around that. Agents sometimes pay other agents a few bucks to write the contract in their name. Otherwise I'm not entirely sure.

For me I don't have a problem if an agent wants dual agency's, to each their own.

But I do have a problem with agents that lie their butts off, and say there's 20 offers when there's none. Then keep the listing on forever because they trying to double pop. Only to have the listing go to foreclosure and hurting the seller in the end because of their incompetence and greed.

Will
Posted by: Vermont

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/01/14 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: sfvhomes
". . . honestly I'm not sure. I'm assuming your referring to short sales in particular . . .
For me I don't have a problem if an agent wants dual agency's, to each their own . . ."

No, nothing to do with Short Sales. I was asking whether the State of California's Real Estate Rules and Regulations specifically prohibit its Licensees from engaging in Dual Agency ?

I doubt very much that the Rules would ever differentiate and make some kind of exemption for Short Sales; and it's not a matter that can be casually left up to the discretion of the individual Agent.
Posted by: estatereal

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/01/14 07:49 AM

"But I do have a problem with agents that lie their butts off, and say there's 20 offers when there's none. Then keep the listing on forever because they trying to double pop. Only to have the listing go to foreclosure and hurting the seller in the end because of their incompetence and greed."

lots of speculation...

let me paint a picture....

could it be fha loan that was in default.....atp was provided and list price and net provided.....20 offers could in fact be in, but not one was meeting hte atp, so not one got signed into a contract......then home gets foreclosed on because owner did not complete their obligation????

please, we all jump to conclusions, but don't know all of the facts...it is very possible to have 20 unacceptable offers that hte bank says no to!
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/01/14 10:45 AM

Estatereal, I totally understand where your coming from
and your point is well taken.

And you are right, you can have 20 offers and none of them get accepted by the bank. Or other variables can hinder the short sale.

BTW, I do not throw around comments like my last post without thinking thru. My comments were based on two things..... johnnyloans post that he could not get a response from Froy's team and the fact that Froy was in my KW office for 15 months.
I know the man, I know his wife and his daughters. I've spoken to him frequently about his business, I've asked him straight to his face what his GCI was his best year in real estate. (He told me 25 million). He's looked me straight in the face and said he owns a Lambo, Ferrari, and a Roll Royce. (He doesn't have a driver's license) Nonchalantly, he's told me his best year was selling 2200 sides all by himself. (non reo and he was the only sales guy on the team)(his MLS stats show he did 16 deals last year) He's looked me in the face and says he occasionally plays basketball on his day off with some of the Lakers and Clippers. I was pointing out to johnnyloans that Froy double ends all his listings. And he will not work with johnnyloans because Froy never cooperates with buyers agents.

I know 6 people that have been on his team and none of them lasted 4 months. They all said the same thing. The guy is a complete Con Man / Sociopath. So my comments we're based solely on knowing the man and not on the technicalities of the deal. You may very well be right, those other factors could have caused the home to foreclose. My guess is it's greed that got in the way.

So, no speculation here, just letting the forum know the facts.

Will
Posted by: gitmonee

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/01/14 02:03 PM

here in cali, agents double end all the time.

dual agency is permitted.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/02/14 08:44 AM

yeah, all deals from standard , reo, probate, ss's etc are all able to have dual agency in CA.

When I said " For me I don't have a problem if an agent wants dual agency's, to each their own . . ."
I meant some agents in CA think there's something morally wrong with dual agency and I was implying I have no issues with it, but yeah it is legal.
Posted by: CathCoy

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 04/05/14 02:51 PM

Wow…what an amazing thread. It took only five years to determine that Froy Candelario is a fraud. LOL!
Posted by: ColdCaller

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/07/14 04:11 PM

Wow. Just wow. I've talked to this guy in person several times at Mike Ferry events 2004 - 2007. Hard to believe I was that duped.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/27/14 02:01 PM

ColdCaller, Just be glad you didn't spend money shadowing him. I heard some seminar people went back to see Froy 7 to 10 times.

-Will
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 07/30/14 10:01 AM

This ad by Froy says that as his buyer's agent you will do 10 deals a month minimum. Just another ruse to get naive realtors to scam. Froy should try and do 10 deals a year on his own first.

http://www.youferral.com/jobpost/show/2841174-buyers-agent-wanted-san-fernando-valley
Posted by: Kingmidas100

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/29/14 01:12 PM

I don't know why in the hell the guy would work that hard for 22.5 mil a year. If I'm working that hard, I'm gonna want more than that
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/29/14 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Kingmidas100
I don't know why in the hell the guy would work that hard for 22.5 mil a year. If I'm working that hard, I'm gonna want more than that


uhhhh.....he didn't work that hard and he didn't make that much money
Posted by: Kingmidas100

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/30/14 07:10 AM

That explains things!! Seemed kind of sketchy.
Posted by: MOMO

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 08/30/14 09:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Kingmidas100
That explains things!! Seemed kind of sketchy.


He was a Ferry tale.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/04/14 08:01 AM


It's sorta sad and funny the lies this guys has resorted too....

WOW !!!

http://www.getmotivatedstaymotivated.com/blog/hanging-on/
Posted by: johnnyloans

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/06/14 06:22 AM

Got a call from a lady who wanted to know why her home was listed as for sale on trulia.com? I looked up the address and it showed listed by Froy and pending for a year. She said she had no idea who Froy was and had not signed any contract for him to sell her home. I tried to call him, left a message with details and call was never returned.
Posted by: sfvhomes

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 11/07/14 08:42 AM

Wow Johnny.....That's crazy that he would forge a seller's signature without their consent. I never heard him do that before.

But I have heard he forges the signature of his investors or makes photo copies of the signed purchase contract and just changes the address and dates. Sorta the same thing. And all without a power of attorney letter.... So I don't doubt one bit that he would sign a seller's signature to short sale either. Nothing surprises me with this guy.

I'm all for people making a great living in this great country of ours as long as it is legal and ethical. But, this guy needs to leave real estate and find another line of work. Something were he can't hurt as many innocent people.

My hunch is that he won't leave cuz real estate put's him in a powerful position and able to control and manipulate many people.
Posted by: LoganRealty

Re: What do you know about Froy Candelario, top agent in USA - 06/05/17 07:43 AM

How does this guy still hold a license? Wouldn't there be enough complaints to the NAR to get him booted?

But even if he did get shut down, I'm sure he'd pop up in another manifestation. These guys always do...