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#99679 - 03/19/06 12:03 PM
Sex offenders as buyers...
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Registered: 08/10/05
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Loc: Missouri
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Okay, we've discussed letting buyers know if there's a sex offender in the neighborhood they want to live in, but turn that around... You have a client who needs a place to move, but has very specific requirements, because her husband is a sex offender getting ready to be released from prison. They cannot live within 1000 feet of a school or daycare, cannot live in a neighborhood with little children, etc. I am looking for a property for them, but had to ask my broker whether I need to disclose his status to agents whose listings I was showing. We ended up calling MARs legal hotline, and they said that this side had not been "tested" in court yet, but that it would happen. He said that, as long as we are buyers agents or transaction brokers, there was no reason for us to disclose the fact, and that, if we DID disclose it, we would be in violation of our agency duties.... So, knowing that some neighbor down the line is gonna find out about his record and be mad about us selling him a home nearby, how would you handle it?
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#99680 - 03/19/06 12:29 PM
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Registered: 09/19/04
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oh boy. Now I know how attorneys feel when they are called upon to defend Jeffrey Damer or Ted Bundy.... Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Life is too short and I can't be all things to all people, so I would walk. Wouldn't touch it! I would have to tell her, sorry I can't help you.. See ya, hate to be ya!
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#99681 - 03/19/06 01:30 PM
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Registered: 12/03/04
Posts: 2198
Loc: Austin, TX
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Oh wow. I don't think sex offenders are a protected class, so wonder if you can just decline offering services. I think I'd step out of the transaction after consulting with a lawyer.
It's just a moral thing for me. I couldn't work with a sex offender once I learned of the conviction. I'd tell them I have an ethical obligation to represent them to the best of my abilities and do not think I can do this. I'll then try to find an agent who can help, but would not take a referral fee.
Document everything. Maybe you can provide a written statement to them with broker and lawyer approval. Tough one.
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#99683 - 03/19/06 03:49 PM
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Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 257
Loc: South Texas
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That one sounds like a train wreck. I'd have to dump him before I told him what scum bag I thought he was.....
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#99684 - 03/19/06 04:05 PM
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Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 204
Loc: Fort Lauderdale
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In the last year I have wasted a lot of time with disloyal buyers. As a result, I choose buyers to work with carefully. I don't care what you look like, how much money you have, or if I dislike them. If I sense disloyalty I'm gone. In this situation you most likely will have 100% loyalty and would be surprised if the wife will want to explain her situation to too many others. For that reason, if she seemed very serious and normal, nice type I would work with her. It's not our job to like our clients, it's our job to sell. Everyone has a right to choose who they work with and a right to their opinions. I'm just saying I most likely would.
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#99685 - 03/19/06 06:21 PM
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Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 257
Loc: South Texas
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Try explaining that to the little girls next door.
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#99687 - 03/19/06 06:50 PM
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Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 257
Loc: South Texas
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This sex offender thing is probably going to get a lot worse in the future for the convicted buyer. Imagine how the immediate neighbors would react if you knowingly sold them your own listing in your farm area? Still no problem with that? How about if one of your buddies (who thinks like you) knowingly sells them the listing next door to your home. Starting to feel uncomfortably? I would. It's a very serious problem that sets people off quickly. No, they probably won't ever connect the agent, but you will always carry that baggage if something does happen.
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#99688 - 03/19/06 07:58 PM
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Registered: 03/03/06
Posts: 7
Loc: Michigan
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Just to ad a little more to consider on this subject, consider this. In Michigan there are 4 types of Criminal Sexual Conduct ie: sex offenses. They are separated by a few factors. 1. Age of victim. 2. Relationship to victim. 3. Type of contact= touch etc. 4. Force used ie: Battery, coercion, blackmail etc. There have been multiple stories in the last year about female school teachers engaging in sexual relations with young students. They are now convicted sex offenders. States have different ages for "consensual realtions". You could have relations with a person of consensual age in one state and be arrested in another for the act. You now become a sexual offender. I am not defending offenders, just offering another side to think about.
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#99689 - 03/19/06 09:01 PM
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Registered: 12/03/04
Posts: 2198
Loc: Austin, TX
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Originally posted by FLLAGENT: It's not our job to like our clients, it's our job to sell. My business is built on clients that I like, trust and would work with again. My career is more than a paycheck; it's my reputation and ability to feel happy with choices I make. I do respect your opinion and understand, but I just don't think I would be able to represent this client to the best of my ability. I just won't work with someone I can't respect or feel good about helping.
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#99690 - 03/20/06 01:22 AM
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California Real Estate Broker
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 1225
Loc: Morgan Hill, CA, USA
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This brings home one of the main reasons I love this business.
I only have to work with people I want to work with.
I would walk away from this transaction.
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#99692 - 03/20/06 03:46 AM
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Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 1662
Loc: Missouri
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BUT, I know what this guy did. I knew them both from a previous job. While it wasn't right, it wasn't anything that I would worry about if he lived close to me and my kids(cheated on his wife, while they were in a trial separation, with a girl he met at a bar- fake ID said she was 22, she was 16). But he has this label now, has spent 3 years in prison (he also bought her drinks, and she was a minor, so there were other charges, too, and in return for her testifying against him, she got no charges), they have to sell their home because it's too close to a daycare, and he cannot even be with his grandkids unless another adult is present at all times... Yet the neighbors of whatever I sell them, will eventually see that he's registered, and freak out, because the database doesn't give specifics, it just gives photo, name, age, address, and crime they were convicted of "statutory rape" gives people the idea that it was something a lot worse than it was. Legally, since they are not a protected class, I can walk away from this. Morally? Since I know what he did and feel like he's getting too much punishment for it, I have no real problem working with him. I know they will stay loyal, because the wife is almost ashamed to mention it to anyone else, and came to me because of the prior working relationship...
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