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#71634 - 05/18/06 02:53 AM AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Had inspection done on a home with two AC's. The inspector wrote that the AC recommends a 35 am breaker but has a 60 amp breaker. Recommend downsizing. My buyer is concerned. I understand the dangers of a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp breaker. But should I have an AC contractor look at it or an electrician?? The listing agent says that the higher amp was put in by builder. Should I have any concerns or is this common? Thanks

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#71635 - 05/18/06 03:02 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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AC contractor since he has the appropriate skills to do HVAC work and electrical work. The electrician might not be well-versed in HVAC technology for that specific unit. Sometimes there is more than meets the eye, and the HVAC tech would be able to analyze everything better than the electrician.

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#71636 - 05/18/06 05:14 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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If all they want him to do is replace a breaker, then get an electrician...an HVAC tech has no business in a breaker panel. An electrician can read the requirements on the A/C plate to determine exactly what is needed.

Sorry Russel...I totally disagree with you.

If you need servicing of any of the A/C components, then get an HVAC Tech...

Now I get to read a dissertation on how I'm wrong. \:\)

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#71637 - 05/18/06 05:59 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Call an HVAC technician with details on the make and model of AC you have. You should be able to get a free recommendation over the phone (keep 60, 35 needed, or either OK).
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#71638 - 05/18/06 08:42 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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Very good advice, MACD. That's why I recommended the HVAC tech since, as I stated, he'll know more about that "specific unit," which you re-inforced by providing the make and model of AC.

HVAC techs here don't give out free recommendations on the phone, but I don't know what they do in San Antonio.

All things considered, electricians don't necessarily know everything (or even anything) about specific AC units, whereas the HVAC tech can easily get appropriate information on any specific AC unit and also understands how to hook up his AC units to electricity since that's usually a necessary part of the function.

So it looks to me that with the HVAC tech, you get two for the price of one.

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#71639 - 05/21/06 07:38 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
altarealtor Offline
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Your question is in regards to electrical service, more specifically, what your local building code requires for ciruit loading and protection. get an opinion from a qualified electrician. It has nothing to do with HVAC

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#71640 - 05/22/06 05:52 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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So as you can see, starvoyager1956, we've got conflicting opinions.

I am amazed that there seems to be some opinions that HVAC technicians don't know how to work with electricity. As a former owner of an HVAC company in Texas, and an HVAC tech myself at that time, I was, and all of our HVAC technicians were, very well qualified and licensed to install electrical circuits, work in the electric panel, pull wires, etc.

And what little HVAC work I've had done here in San Diego also indicates that the HVAC techs are suitably licensed and qualified to do electrical work.

While there might be some HVAC techs out there who do just the bare minimum, i.e., they simply take the furnace or air conditioner out and plug it in, connect the wires that already are in place, connect it to the gas pipe already there, etc., that has not been my experience. Even the installation folks at Home Depot are licensed and skilled in all aspects of doing a specific job, so if that job, such as installing a furnace, requires licensing and skills for, say, a gas furnace--electricity, gas, and proper siting--then the individual they send out has the appropirate licensing and skills. Imagine if one needed to have three people come out, perhaps at three different times, to "install" three different components (gas, electricity, and the actual hard good) for the same system. What a tremendous waste of time and resources.

Of course, while I was raised in Texas and lived there until 1993, I don't know their current standards or requirements. So perhaps call around to three HVAC outfits and see if they do electrical work. Some might only be interested in doing electrical work if they are doing the complete install; otherwise it might not be financially feasible for them.

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#71641 - 05/22/06 06:01 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Ever thought about calling the manufacturer of the HVAC unit?

As for those saying an electrician is not the person to call as they don't know about HVAC... they don't have to! They don't call in a dishwasher company, dispose-all company, refrigerator company, water heater company, etc., to know how to plan and wire for those items individual requirements.

Just my 2 cents.

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#71642 - 05/22/06 06:15 AM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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Hey, Scott. I think there's a little difference between all the appliances you mentioned and an AC condenser. The appliances you mentioned don't have maximum and minimum ratings like the AC condenser has, and the inherent danger with an AC condenser, I think, is a little more serious than the inherent danger with a dishwasher, disposal, refrigerator, and, in some cases, even the water heater.

And if I had an electric water heater, I most likely would call the water heater company. And I've never run into a water heater company that didn't have the appropriate licenses and skills to install all the utilities that relate to its appliance.

I'm inclined to call the person whom I think would know the most about the appliance. So if a water heater has gas, electricity, and water connected to it, I'm calling the water heater company rather than the gas company. Three for the price of one. Same thing here with the AC condenser--two for the price of one with the HVAC tech.

My other concern is that since the electrician doesn't know HVAC, there is the possibility of him damaging some HVAC component while he's there and not knowing it. There is less a likelihood of the HVAC tech damaging either HVAC items or electrical items since he knows both.

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#71643 - 05/22/06 12:13 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Sorry Russell, I completely disagree. Dual or multitrade certification is not that common. And most plummers, gas fitters, AC techs are not licensed electricians. I've employed all of these trades and many more in both commercial and industrial settings.

The original question wasn't about problems with an HVAC unit, it was a question about electrical circuit protection.

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#71644 - 05/22/06 12:36 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Everyone here is missing something simple. The home has dual AC units. Single unit recommendation is 35 but as both are wired to the same breaker a 60 amp circuit should be appropiate. The builder would have had his electrician install the correct size breaker based on the recommendation of the HVAC contractor that installed the HVAC systems. If both units kicked at the same time then that 35amps circuit would blow all the time.
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#71645 - 05/22/06 05:15 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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We can disagree, altrealtor. That's okay. However, if one thing is wrong (breaker size), there's a good possibility that other things are wrong, so I still like two-for-the-price-of-one.

All the service personnel that I've run into here and in my home state of Texas (Kingsville, Corpus Christi, Victoria, Houston, Bryan/College Station) were properly licensed and skilled at all aspects of installation for whatever they were installing. Imagine if someone scheduled the AC installation, and they showed up only to find that the electric hadn't been installed yet. What a waste of time, and money.

And for Paul, I've never seen two AC units wired to one circuit breaker. Obviously it's possible, so I would still want an HVAC tech who's properly licensed and skilled in electricity.

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#71646 - 05/22/06 05:25 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
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Ray,
I personally have never run across that either but is possible that there is a breaker in each shutoff box instead of a standard switch. There is no other reason for the builder to put in that 60amp breaker and the poster makes a point of mentioning that there were 2 ac units and the inspector only mentions replacing the one breaker. Would have thought the inspector would have referenced the other unit if it was wired seperately and had the 35amp breaker. Just a thought!


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Originally posted by Russel Ray:
We can disagree, altrealtor. That's okay. However, if one thing is wrong (breaker size), there's a good possibility that other things are wrong, so I still like two-for-the-price-of-one.

All the service personnel that I've run into here and in my home state of Texas (Kingsville, Corpus Christi, Victoria, Houston, Bryan/College Station) were properly licensed and skilled at all aspects of installation for whatever they were installing. Imagine if someone scheduled the AC installation, and they showed up only to find that the electric hadn't been installed yet. What a waste of time, and money.

And for Paul, I've never seen two AC units wired to one circuit breaker. Obviously it's possible, so I would still want an HVAC tech who's properly licensed and skilled in electricity.
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#71647 - 05/22/06 05:27 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
Russel Ray Offline
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I think you might be on to something, Paul.

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#71648 - 05/22/06 07:36 PM Re: AC unit uses a 60 amp breaker in a 35 amp slot.
altarealtor Offline
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last couple of comments strengthens the need to be talking to an electrician. Two units on a single circuit or oversized breaker. Was a second unit added to a circuit designed for a single. Has the builder followed code?

If the AC installer comes out to install a unit and no service is pulled, he is not going to be pulling a service in my constructions. The electrician will be returning to complete his obligations.

Certainly, larger suppliers will have a compliment of trades on salary. But your going to find that the Electrician comes one day while the gas fitter comes another while the mechanical comes at yet another. Having one individual pull circuits, plumb gas, and install HVAC creates efficiencies that loose dollars.

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