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#64405 - 01/06/05 07:23 PM Thieving Scum
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What do you guys do with scum that steal your Title and Meta Tags?

I just found a real estate directory masquerading as a reputable company that copied my Title and Meta Tags from a site I have and it has been that way since at least early 2003 according to the Wayback Machine. They never even bothered to remove my company name from the keyword tags for crying out loud!

I have just sent them an email and if not removed in 24 hours I will post complete info here - but I am curious - has any one else here had a similar experience?
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#64406 - 01/06/05 11:20 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Hi Doug,
Lets make the first 10 results in the serps, threads that tell everyone what a slimy operation it is

Post the name so everyone can start pulling their links off:)

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#64407 - 01/07/05 05:23 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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That is a good idea - notify the host, advertisers, lnk partners, etc. - I may begin that tonight. How incredibly stupid - what moron would build a business around stolen copy? They even had their link partners use the desciption in their links. Total idiots! On top of that their directory links redirect so they don't count as links anyway and are of no value to the Realtors listed within.
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#64408 - 01/07/05 09:01 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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A little digging turned up that the mental midget is actually a numbered company registered in Ontario that has a few other things going on - a web hosting business, a sex toy auction site, and a car decal business on Ebay as well.

Reporting them to their host may not help as they are their own host. Lots of bad publicity to go around on this one!
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#64409 - 01/07/05 01:40 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Well, I have not heard back from them but so far today they have rearranged their Meta Description tag and Keyword tag - and taken my company name off their site. They did not edit the Title tag though so if you are curious as to who the scum is - just search Google for "Realtors in USA and Canada" and in the top few results you will see my site - http://www.epoweredprofessionals.com - and also the thieving slime's site. You can also search for "real estate agents USA and Canada" and you will see the sites there too - just look for the site where the title is identical to http://www.epoweredprofessonals.com except they inserted their owm dot com.

Who would want to do business with them? - I would be embarrassed to have their link on my site if I was a Realtor! It is like saying you associate with dishonest people in my view. Don't you think so?

So, now everyone will know who they are until they do change their Title so that they will not show up for the Google search mentioned above. As long as they are being dishonest, maybe check it out and tell all your friends about them and remove any links to them. There is no benefit from being in their Directory anyway as all the links to agents can't be followed by search engines.

Don't reward crooks!
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#64410 - 01/07/05 03:15 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Hey Doug,

Let's get a power thread going somewhere. We'll get some links pointed at it and we'll teach them a little lesson;) I'm Happy to help

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#64411 - 01/07/05 07:18 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Thanks Rich - the way information is so widely available on the net - what on earth would lead them to believe they could get away with it?

There is a good lesson here for others that may be thinking of stealing content or page jacking - you will get caught and the whole world could know what a dolt you have been!
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#64412 - 01/08/05 10:16 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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Maybe I'm being dense but I don't see the harm in copying a generic phrase such as "Realtors in USA and Canada" as a title tag. If I were to open a restaurant and have a sign on the building that says "Home Cooking" I couldn't reasonably expect that no one else would be allowed to have a sign saying "Home Cooking" on theoir restaurant.
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#64413 - 01/08/05 10:49 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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It isn't just the phrase that he had copied - that phrase was just part of the title and I used it above as a search term so the sites would show up together when a search was performed.

He had copied the whole title tag word for word including the dashes. He also copied exactly the Description tag and he also copied the Keyword tag complete with my company name. This was not a case of someone accidentally using the same generic phrase.

In case anyone is interested about how search engines view copying there is more info here .
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#64414 - 01/26/05 07:56 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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Doug-

How did you stumble onto this in the first place? I think you're very lucky that you FOUND it. Can you imagine what would have happened if you hadn't?

Good luck, keep us posted!

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#64415 - 01/26/05 08:41 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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http://www.copyscape.com gave me enough information to make me want to examine the site further - it is a good resource \:\)
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#64416 - 02/02/05 05:38 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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your right, nice resource, Thanks!

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#64417 - 02/02/05 12:59 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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 Quote:
Originally posted by eatstayplay:
I think you're very lucky that you FOUND it. Can you imagine what would have happened if you hadn't?
What would have happened if he never found it, aside from them not getting caught?
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#64418 - 02/02/05 09:59 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Doug, is your site a registered copyright? If you're going to invest time and money building a business/website, it might not be a bad idea to file a copyright for the whole site.

Then all you'd have to do is send the hosting company your copyright certificate to preserve your rights under the digital millenium act.

I beleive the FBI is in charge of copyright enforcement.

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#64419 - 02/03/05 06:14 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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Sorry to hear that Doug, however there is nothing that can be done for theft of title and meta tags according to the DMCA. Those are not copyrightable. Only certain parts of your code, your design and content is available for copyrighting.

As VTWS said though, there is more than one way to skin a cat. With the power of this forum or if you have a powerful blog you can use those to target their company and a keyphrase that you wish the public to see. However they could come back at you for libel. Best Of luck.
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#64420 - 02/14/05 01:58 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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You know, Doug, I would advise that you resist the urge to retaliate. In reality, the Internet isn't THAT big and someday it WILL come back to haunt you. It is possible that sometime in the future you may have a profitible business relationship with somebody who knows somebody who knows them.

Google-bombs ARE trackable, if you know what you are doing. What you need to do is not create any association between you and them. Your best revenge is to be more sucessful than they are- by playing fair!

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#64421 - 02/14/05 02:21 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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Yeah, I know. I am not the kind that carries grudges or looks for revenge. Life is too short \:\)
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#64422 - 02/22/05 08:17 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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 Quote:
Originally posted by doug:
http://www.copyscape.com gave me enough information to make me want to examine the site further - it is a good resource \:\)
nice link, too bad people cant make their own tags not that hard.
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#64423 - 02/23/05 07:09 PM Re: Thieving Scum
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What a dirtbag. I had the same thing happen to me. The "web designer" (boy is that a misrep) wasn't to worried about it. He removed most of my content but still has my meta info. I'm sure karma will take care of him eventually.
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#64424 - 04/26/05 06:30 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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copyscape is a decent tool, i ran some of my websites urls' and oddly enough, all mine are copied. needless to say, i do use original content on my site that i type up myself, so to find the same words and sentence structure would be rare, but not impossible. so in that you found this site who copied your meta tags, other than just being offended, having your sites name in his meta tag couldnt really have harmed you. but i do agree, he shouldnt have stolen your stuff, but many many people do that, they search the top ten ranked pages, copy the content and all the meta tags in hopes of capturing the same ranking. what can you do about it, not much, since even dynamic pages give an output of such information. there are precautionaries, like moving your data down 10k lines of whitespace, thats a deterent, not a solution, disable right click, a deterent not a solution, anyhow, sorry somebody copied ya, nice find though.

later,

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#64425 - 08/01/05 04:23 AM Re: Thieving Scum
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If it is real copyright infringement, this site might be of help
http://www.google.com/dmca.html

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