Jay Kinder here. In 2006 I completed 520 transactions and I am currently #2 in the World for Coldwell Banker. My key to success is an unbelievable web site technology. I would be happy to share my success' and failures in my business with anyone in the industry. I learned about this from industry icons like Ron Campbell (600 transactions in 2006) Jeff and Marsee Wilhems (300 transactions their 2nd year in the business) and Chad Goldwasser (#4 in the World for Keller Williams) Literally, the best of the best are using this. It might be the best kept secret in the industry! I would be happy to show you if interested. Oh yea... it's also free.

Hi Jay,

Nice to "meet" you and thank you for sharing on Agents Online.

I am in Austin Texas and know Chad Goldwasser--I believe he is using the Proctor website and systems if I'm not mistaken. Along with Jim Striegel of Real Living(formerly of KW). Correct me if I'm wrong--

Ann Banos, Broker
Real Living, LifeStyles Realty
512-773-0580

Chad is a good friend of mine. He uses web agent solutions, the site I am using. Most people would never know what the site does unless you have seen a demo of the back end. It truely is amazing. You can call my cell phone if you want to see how me and Chad are using it. 580-591-6404

Ok, I'm interested. Can you send more information or PM me?

Thanks

Hi Jay:

Congrat on you success, and yes, I am interested too!

kelingdun@yahoo.com
san Jose, Ca.

YES, I am interested myself Jay!! Please PM me or e-mail me with some additional info, it is GREATLY Appreciated!!!

Yea, they're all using CraigProctor.com. They have a free 60-day trial and Craig gives you all the systems you need. They also have some sort of coaching program. I was going to use CraigProctor until they recently started a huge marketing push. It seems like too many agents are going to start using them.

These agents' success aren't attributed to the site alone. They are all good at marketing and the site helps. One of the agents he mentioned only recently signed up. He had coaching from a big company a few years back and made some big marketing pushes. I heard he spends $30k/mo on radio ads, etc.

A website is not a magic bullet to generating 500 leads. Vegas, don't pay for anything beyond what you can get directly from Craig Proctor.

Jay,
I see that your office uses an IHouse site:
http://www.cbcrossroads.com/
Couldn't convert them

I guess I should. Lake of the Ozarks huh. I LOVE the Lake of the Ozarks. I especially like to visit the Shoootout!!

How business? You know Mike Oddo? He has a web agent site.... everyone would if they saw the engine that runs it. How's your ihouse site?

Jay,
I know Mike and our offices are just a short distance apart--he has more than one website and domain redirects.
Early January is usually a little slow in my market and the ice storms haven't helped but business for me is very good. I believe that your area might have had some ice lately also.
I have had my IHouse site for probably 5-6 years and it has worked very well for me--IHouse sites are not as search engine friendly as they were a few years back though.
I lived near Enid, OK for 3 years in the mid 90's--great people in your state.

Hi Jay, email some info when you get the chance please and thanks.

This guaranteed program is, in a nutshell, a scam designed to get the phone to ring and nothing else. Here are the steps:

1. Tease the seller with the guarantee that if their homes doesn't sell, you'll buy it. People have no clue that price and condition are really what sells the home, so they'll think you are some marketing genius to offer such a program.

2. No phone call descriptions, no emails...jump straight to listing appointment.

3. Dazzle sellers with how many listings you have. Don't mention the fact that half of them expire, never sell, or take much longer than your promised 90 days (I looked up Chad Goldwasser on MLS, less than half of his listings sell under the 90 days he promises).

4. Tell people about the program...which is so inconvenient for them (e.g. you'll typically offer to purchase their home at 70% value) that they'll never go for it.

5. Once they don't go for your program guarantee, tell them "Well, I'm a top producer anyway, why not list with me?"

There you have it. All they want is the phone to ring. Once that happens, most sellers will realize the program is worthless, but the hope is they'll list anyway.

Also, ask yourself how good of a service you'll get from an agent who takes 400 listings? You'll just be another number to add to their statistic to dazzle the next client.

Here's a blog post on this topic from another broker:

http://brokersfirstrealty.com/2006/10/28/guaranteed-home-sale-programs-truth-or-myth/

Jay,
Congrats on your success! I am interested in learning more. I will send you an email. Thanks.
Luke Bouman

Realtor_atx. Based on what you have written here, you have absolutely no idea how a successful Guaranteed Sale Program Works. In addition to this having really nothing to do with the topic at hand, why even bother posting this?

Funny I was thinking the same thing, my partner and I are thinking about doing this in conjuction with our broker. It is quite simple we will buy the home for %90 of the agreed upon price to market the home wich is obviously the market price minus 6% listing fee, 2% admin fee and 2% adjustment fee for the fact that mls stats show a list to sales ratio of 98.3% so it is not a scam at all. If the house is $100,000 we will deduct our commission plus list to sales ratio plus danger fee of 2% LOL, and thats it.

Whatever dude. I provided a link to support my claims, and I know several people with first hand experience.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

Ok but each agent can do whatever they want so how can you say it is a scam, my office has bought 4 houses, not many but hey most sell and we offer 90% of the price wich is pretty damn close to what the owner would have gotten anyway so how is that a scam

Chad,

This moron just doesn't get it. I buy anywhere from one to five homes a month and bought around 30 last year. My reputation in this industry and my community preceeds me.

I am happy to share any of my systems and techniques with anyone. I sold three homes in the time it took this loser to post his hate mail!

The only reason I sold over 500 homes last year is because I am coachable.

Hi Jay,

It's too bad that you dont give Craig Proctor the credit he truly deserves for the success you have achieved. Both you and Mike Reese should be ashamed of yourselves. Anyone on these forums can Google and find several testimonials from both you and Mike including this one right from Mikes website. It also includes a picture of you Mike and Craig together.

As far as I am concerned you have lost all credibility you had gained when I heard you speak at Craigs Denver Conference and how he changed your life......

Here is the link:

http://www.texomahousing.com/custompages_reports.php?key=s93259

"I started researching the top Realtors in the world to see if I could uncover the secrets about how they run their businesses. After all, they had reached a whole different level of success, and the simple fact that they were still alive was proof that they weren’t killing themselves to get there!

Almost immediately I stumbled onto the name Craig Proctor. He’s a real estate agent in a small town in Canada, and he has somehow become one of the top real estate agents in the world. In fact, he’s been among the top ten Re/max agents in the world every year for the past decade. That’s impressive no matter what, but it’s especially impressive when you consider that there are only 50,000 people in the community in which Craig serves. That’s only a fourth of the population that Plano has! In a community that small, this guy was beating out agents the most densely populated areas like Denver, Dallas and New York City.

I was so impressed with him that I immediately registered for a conference he was speaking at the following week. The conference was such an eye-opener for me. I’ll spare you all the details, but the thing that intrigued me the most was that Craig was selling hundreds of homes each year, but only working a 40 hour week.

So needless to say, I knew this guy was who I wanted to learn from, so I ended up hiring him and his team to personally coach me and turn me into an elite agent and businessman. Craig coached me for three years, and today my business model mirrors his. I went from a one-man operation to a 20-person company staffed with highly specialized employees who are all experts in the area of business they focus on. I’m now a partner with Craig, coaching other agents on new and better ways to practice real estate.

Since Craig is one of the top agents in the world, I’m now fortunate to be a part of the most successful and influential inner circle in all of real estate. Why does that matter to you? Because through this masterminding group, I’ve learned how to be successful at selling homes (like yours!) from the best of the best professionals out there like Jay Kinder, and Dave Jenks.

For you to give credit to anyone one else like your above mentioned mentors is a total lie and you should be ashamed!

Jay is http://www.jaykinderrealestate.com your only website? Im asking because I don't see your ranking or traffic very high. If so we're do you advertise?

thank you

How does an agent buy these homes if the owner says, "ok, I 'll sell it to you since you said you would buy it."
I also see "Buy this home and I'll buy your home from you"

Wow artexe I don't understand why so hostile. I was/am a Proctor protege having the QL system as well as a seminar attendee and got alot out of my experiences. But to say that he is solely responsible for all of my success is not true. I have learned valueable info from many different people including Craig. If I was asked I would recommend websites other then the ones he promotes for various reasons and I think all Jay has done here is suggest a great lead generator, not disparge Craig. As for giving someone their props maybe Jay feels Craig was not the most influential person for his success? I know I owe him something but I did pay for what I learned so maybe we are even. I actually don't feel he was the most influential in my career so if asked I would give credit to several others but that is not to say I don't like Craig. We are all entitled to an opinion.

Hi Jay,

I'd love to learn more about your system. I'm a newbie looking for any info I can get from the experienced agents!

Thanks.

Jay, I think that is great you are willing to share all your success with others

selling is no different than the martial arts. observe everything, try everything, develop what works and discard the rest.



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