First you said this, which isnt accurate:
There is no AVERAGE involved in the formula.

Then you said this, which after reading your 1st paragraph had me lmao:

Not all links give as much as some. a non related will NOT pass .015 / an authority site with decent relevence will. No I can stop your laughing because I can PROVE what I said! I can actualy check backlinks or links (IB) and actualy tell you the actual Value of that link. You see, you are a prime example!!!!! I assure you that anything that i say or post, I can back up!!!!!!!! you can actualy lose page rank(or should i keep you from laughing and say part of link value?) by linking to lower PR sites(bleeding). A PR six linking to a new PR0 will lose more than it will gain on AVERAGE(there is that word again, and I can prove this also). But the proof is in the pudding! you go ahead and follow your amusing little fads and heresay while I am waving to you from the top of the serps! I want you to think about this for a min. if you had a pr6 site, would you link to a pr0 on an exchange and expect to get equal value for the PR0 linking to you that you give to it? I think not!!! Use some common sense! Why do you try to find (QUALITY) links if they are the same(If all links have .015)? you are trying to find fault and just destroyed your own post! The "average" may not have been the correct way to explain it. .015 is the BASE formula for link value. woulden't BASE and average be close to the same? I also have software that calculates link value. and can do it with a pen and paper. So before you cry yourself to tears , you need to pay attention before you cry over your site not being able to beat the # 1 site in the serps! so now I am LMAO at you! SEE YOU FROM THE TOP!

Worrying about Page Rank is a waste of time. It is not what it once was a few years ago. I have a directory site where everyone listed in it gets a PR4 link and most that link back to me do so from PR0 pages. Just few link back from PR3 or 4 pages.

That has not stopped me from having excellent rankings including #1 for "Realtor Directory" and "Real Estate Agent Directory" and top 10's for most geographic keywords that we are targeting.

Just worry about whether the page linking to you is actually spiderable and listed in Google - and forget about Page Rank as it means little now.

I understand this. I was ansewring an attack by another person who is obviously misled. All links have value if they will be credited(indexed) just some have more value than others. As far as PR goes, I beat pr5 and PR6 sites with low PR sites all the time in Google, Yahoo, and MSN. You can also beat sites with 10,000 links with 200 links if your relevence,internal link structure, anchor text and onpage are better than theirs for the respective keywords. SEO is not rocket science, You find out what the # 1 site is doing and then do it better. it is that simple.

Reply to SEO posts. Know that Doug, who keeps a low profile, knows what he is talking about. You can trust his advice implicity. He doesn't play brain games and is about the most knowledgeable and credible fellow out there in this end of the real estate help world, today.

"Going where tomorrow is - hope to see you there." Carolyne

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I see post by him in almost every part of the forum! Is this what you call low profile?

I think he runs the place.

he does, and I respect him also!

My, my. A little controversy. It's almost like in the SE forums. ;-)

Hey Mike.... What don't you understand about not spamming the forums ...

To all,

I have been involved with reciprocal linking for over 8 years. We have worked with hundreds of domains, in a lot of very different circumstances.

Here's a fact - most of what is written about linking and SEO is total bunk. The "experts" in the SEO industry who are the most vocal and get the big time speaking gigs, write the books, etc. are some of the most confused, especially about reciprocation and it's affect on the engines. Some of them have obvious conflicts of interest, and promote their own solutions, regardelss of the excess cost to their clients.


Here's what we have learned, in a nutshell:

Link to and from as many home and real estate-related sites as you can, be it via reciprocation, or other legitimate means. That is proper BRANDING, not just reciprocation for SE purposes. The WWW is a network of links.

The SE results DERIVE FROM good branding-focused linking practices, combined with good content and optimization.

Do not even consider PageRank in this. That is a Google-centric number and not even reliable. You can get different PR for a site, depending upon the server delivering the info.

There are other engines. MSN is easy to rank in with some basic work. YAHOO! hard to figure out. Anyone who has some tips, pass them along. Google prefers established sites, so, the time to start getting established is NOW.

DO NOT enter into link networks where everyone else posts the exact same links. Bad news. Not an automatic penalty, but risky.

Here's a multi-page document that was specifically written for real estate professionals, using real estate examples:


Search Engine Optimization Basics For Real Estate-Related Websites

I hope it helps.