How can that be? Google is all about off-page factors like link popularity and the keywords used in the clickable part of links that point at your web site. The more links you have with your keywords in the link text - the higher you will appear on Google.

Unlike other real estate forums found elsewhere, all of the message pages in the Agents Online Real Estate Idea Center are static html pages that are regularily spidered by the search engines. So, if you insert a link in your signature to a message and do it in such a way that your keywords are in the link text - you will be on your way to being #1 for those keywords. The more you participate in these forums - the higher your search positions will become. You gotta like that!

Real estate forums found elsewhere on the web use scripting languages where the message pages can't be spidered - so you really get more benefit from your participation here!

To insert a link in your signature that would appear at the end of your message postings, you can use html code -
which would look like this

and in the message would appear like Real Estate Discussion Forums

These forums also allow you to make links using UBB code but I do not know whether search engines would treat those links the same - so I would recommend using html.

*A Warning! Do not spam the forums with useless drivel or post the same message in more than one forum as all of your postings will be removed and repeat offenders will be banned. Then you will receive no benefit from your links!

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It is a great idea...

Another recommendation to increase your link popularity and target traffic to join to some fair realestate toplists like http://www.toprealestates.com


P.S: Some toplists only steal your traffic or promote their own real estate web sites..

Thanks
Troy

Troy, the links out from that site do nothing to help a member with their link popularity because the links are written using scripting that makes search engines think it is an internal link - eg. http://www.toprealestates.com/out.php?id=13

Search engines can not follow that link and never find the target site. The "?" in the url stops search engine spiders cold.

I deleted my original reply "great idea" as it appeared to be responding to Troy's post. We must have posted the same time, as I was replying to the Admin post. Doug is 100% corect.

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Advetising, Marketing & Virtual Tours


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Sorry, no blatant solicitations allowed.
Especially inaccurate ones

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Perhaps you can explain how a forum in a frameset that utilizes a target="_blank" to pop open a new window counts as a backlink in Google.

Perhaps the statement was made out of ignorance but I have checked the backlinks of many members and agents online does not show in any of them.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up, hey maybe I'm wrong I dunno


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Hi Seo Guy,

There is a program in place which allows the forums to be spidered and http://www.agentsonline.net currently has almost 5000 pages in Google - which includes all but the newest forum messages.

When viewing backlinks in Google only pages with a PR of 4 or higher are generally displayed (although lately Google has been displaying PR 3 pages on occasion as the ToolBar PR is probably not as accurate as we all once presumed) - and forum pages would not be listed as most would be less than PR 4. Google counts all backlinks - not just those it chooses to display when checking backlinks - so the links from forum messages help you.

You should be aware that PR means little post Florida - lots of PR 4 sites are #1 in results and lots of PR 7 are #200. Having your keywords in your link text is still important though.

Links from any page that is listed in Google will help you regardless of what the PR is. And you get the maximum benefit if you use your keywords in the link text.

As a "SEO Guy" I am surprised that you do not know this

Here is an example. In a previous post your client Wayne used the sig "Your Hottest Source For Las Vegas Real Estate Buying and Selling!" as the link text. Now, if you search Google for that phrase that particular posting comes up in the Google results - click here to see.

So, not only is Google listing the forum postings but they are spidering the links which all helps you as I was saying in the original posting.


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SEO guy,

What is your problem? Posts like that are absolutely ridiculous and do zero for the good of the rest of the members. If you ever get your forum off the ground, which I doubt you will, you will start to understand that making comments like this do no good and are not in the best interest of your members!

It is one thing to ask a question but to say a comment was made out of ignorance on a public forum is B.S.

If you have a beef with Doug, fine, e-mail him directly, or ask questions on the board properly but don't post crap like that on this board

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Make it a great day!

Brian Rodgers, MBA
Brian Rodgers Seminars, Inc.
http://www.brseminars.com
1-800-339-8841

First of all the it was a question as to why it was coded that way. Second you have no idea who Seo-Guy is LOL.

Check all the webmaster and Seo Forums and ask about this guy ( dont just take my word for it ). LOL he is one of the top SEO's in the world and this is not just my opinion..this is the opinion of a lot of people in that profession... his peers.

You know we all know that some o f the information that we all get off this site is good...but just like a lot of sites there is a lot of BS here and in order to help keep the site honest ..you have to ask questions like this..if someone is wrong then so be it it wont be the first time or the last some of us maybe wrong.

The problem I have is when you slam someone for a comment. There is always someone out there who knows a lot more then we do and sometimes you have to open your mind to consider what they are saying breseminars.

I personally like Doug..I dont always agree with what he has to say ( I dotn go and slam him because I dont like what he is saying ) but there are certain people that we all would listen to over others and Seo-Guy happens to be one of those I would listen to about the web over any other forum.

He has proven to me what he is able to do...not just with my site but every site he touches turns to gold and when it comes to clients well Big Named Companies dont use just anyone to do their Seo work. It is not my place to answer for Seo-Guy but I do take offense of your remarks.

Maybe next time before you make a remark about someones abilities you should find out if you know what you are talking about.

Atlanta Real Estate

"Perhaps the statement was made out of ignorance but I have checked the backlinks of many members and agents online does not show in any of them...maybe I'm wrong I dunno"

What I was looking for was how it worked as I went through at least 50 of the pages listed in Google (Granted not all 5000) and could not find a reference to a forum post anywhere.

Now that Doug has been so kind as to point it out to me I did more digging and found what I was looking for http://www.agentsonline.net/forum/HTMLsummary/summary5.html which was what I was asking for in my question "Perhaps you can explain how a forum in a frameset that utilizes a target="_blank" to pop open a new window counts as a backlink in Google"

And Doug thank you for the response that set me in motion to be able to view the outcome of the script.

As yes I am well aware that all backlinks count as votes for a site as long as they are spiderable that PR has a less prominent role then pre florida in fact I just wrote an article to a client stating that these are your offpage factors in priority

"Link popularity consists of 4 factors:

1. Vote Volume
2. Anchor text (Specific kw vote Volume)
3. Topic Specific
4. Pagerank (Google specific)

This is exactly why people do guestbooking and blogging still, the algo cannot do any more then slap a diminished return on the backlink, it can't discount it as it's architecture does not allow for it.

I just couldnt see any evidence by checking backlinks so I wanted to be pointed in the direction.

*brseminars
"Perhaps the statement was made out of ignorance" for some reason you think I accused Doug of being "Ignorant" when in fact my sentence translates (for someone of your obvious shortcomings) to "perhaps you may not have know this" and you will excuse my use of 3 syllabled words with more then one context.

I don't have a beef with Doug at all, I dont even know him I was asking a question. And as for my forum I think its doing fine http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=site%3Aseo%2Dguy %2Ecom

or maybe you meant this one http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=site%3Aseochat%2Ec om

I dunno.

Doug I appologise if my question was taken out of context I was not meaning to be abbrassive, but as for you brseminars [ Insult deleted - can we keep it civil please?]



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SEO Guy and Atlanta,

Whatever, this thread is obviously moving in an unproductive direction, let's move on.



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Make it a great day!

Brian Rodgers, MBA
Brian Rodgers Seminars, Inc.
http://www.brseminars.com
1-800-339-8841

Thanks for all the help on this forum, I've been lurking dilligently here lately. If you bother to click the link you'll find a pretty but simple and all image site that doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Googleland...that's getting fixed ASAP. Fact is the broker wasn't ready for many leads, just wanted something to show off. Now I'm coming on board and we're getting to work... the info on this forum has been a big help.

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Watsonville California Real Estate

Spanish Real Estate en Espaņol

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Interesting info.

but for some reason I can not get my signature to work at this site, I have it checked in the user options to show it but it doesn't seem to want to work.

Wes,

Post your sig the same way it won't work for you and I'll have a look.

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Rich
Real Estate Websites
Search Engine Optimization

Wes,

In order to have your sig automatically put in to your postings you have to fill in the signature field - with your signature - in your User Preferences and you have not done that. You can manually attach your sig to each post or edit your User Preferences to have it inserted automatically

This is what I have typed in the signature box, i've hit the submit modifacations several times it never seems to work.

"Wes Murphree Investment Realty
Investment Realty
The NNN Properties Specialist"


[This message has been edited by Wes Murphree (edited 06-21-2004).]

doh

[This message has been edited by Wes Murphree (edited 06-21-2004).]

well i cleared my cookie for this site, and my signature started working. but now I can't seem to get any links to show up.

at first I used this code below, then just a straight typed out web address wouldn't work. it's weird it shows up as links below but in my signature as you can see from the "test" thread i did in the agents forum, it doesn't work there.

"Investment Realty
The NNN Properties Specialist"

[This message has been edited by Wes Murphree (edited 06-21-2004).]

got it fixed now, mods feel free to delete all my posts about this, so it doesn't clutter up the thread, and also my test thread in the agents forum, seems I can not delete threads, only moderators.

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Wes Murphree
Investment Realty
http://www.SCInvestmentRealty.com
http://www.3NetLease.com
http://www.MultifamilyListings.com

[This message has been edited by Wes Murphree (edited 06-21-2004).]

This in response to the initial post.

I'm using UBB Code in my signature for the hyperlink because it states clearly:
"You may use UBB Code in this field, but not HTML."

If this is inaccurate and I can switch to HTML, let me know.

Thanks!

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Rick Bucich
www.bucich.net
Ridgefield CT

If you view the page source - which is what the search engines would see - you find that the forum software converts the UBB into html so you url is actually in html now

Seems that some of the people here are a little touchy. I thought a forum was a place to exchange opinions and knowledge?

Las Vegas High Rise Condos | Henderson Real Estate | Summerlin Real Estate | Green Valley Real Estate

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Matt
888-329-7576 x2125

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Matt,

Stop spamming the forums please

Please read my reply to your multiple dulpicate post in the webmaster issues forum

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VTWS Real Estate websites are among the top lead
generating Real Estate Websites in markets across the United States for Realtors and Companies alike.
Real Estate Search Engine Optimization

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Great tips..thanks!

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Robyn Hudson
Evergreen Realty
Orange County, CA
Huntington Beach Real Estate

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I second that about great tips! OK I'll try them! smiles

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South Bay:Torrance Real Estate

"The "?" in the url stops search engine spiders cold."

That's not true... anymore...

As a test, I stuck some URL's in the footer of a website I own. Check this out:
link:http://www.orangecountycastles.com

See all the "www.3dcommune.com/3d/forum.mv?Web_Design+tms+1100316812" back links? 100's of them, all INDEXED with the ? parameters in place.

Your statement was true, but not any more...

(check the above link quickly, as I have removed the URL's form the footers and a reindex of the page will kill these results)

I did not check beyond the url that you gave but http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/forum.mv?Web_Design+tms+1100316812
may show as a backlink but it is not in Google's cache which tells me that it is not listed in Google.

Google will list such urls if directly submitted but I have to tell you that they don't seem to stick in Google's index for long.

Unfortunately he's right -- it is a frameset and the content page doesn't appear to be indexed in Google. Even if it is, it has a PageRank of 0.

Not trying to dump on AO but just like for the facts to be clear....

If you are not trying to dump on Agentsonline why are you spreading misinformation? Or do you just not know how to check if pages are in Google's index?

It seems very suspicious that after having been inactive for 4 months you come back, dredge up a two year old post, and post misinformation that disparages these forums.

Just to be clear, the fact is that the main entry page that is framed ( http://www.agentsonline.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi) IS in Google's index and has a PR of 5. Posts that are old enough to have been spidered are all also in Google's index and have PR, For example, this post that you replied to is also in Google's index and has a PR of 1.

I'm trying the signature thing out.

Kara

Trying it again...

I just tried to edit my signature and this is the test to see if it is working. Great idea, I wish I had seen this post earlier.

Ok, I found out that you have to actually do the UBB and not the HTML to make this work. I found a good sample on a google search at http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/ubbcode.html

I just copied what they did and it worked.

I just do not understand why people get soooooo involved with things that do not matter in SEO. if You stay with basics you will do well. When you get to the point where you get to the point of arguement about seo, you are then getting away from pure SEO. It is this simple. Get other relevent sites to link to you with proper anchor text. and make your site as relevent to the target words or phrases as you can. Nothing more! Everything else is a bunch of B.S. to make yourself feel better!

jcorkern1.... Welcome to the site.... Links are very important...however... the right links are whats important and done the right way.... although you'll never rank for anything without links...there are many factors that your blanket statements ignore... Keep in mind you are talking to realtors....not webmasters... Since you are new to the site and are a proclaimed expert....please post the url's of your site(s) and those of any REAL ESTATE client sites you have worked your expertise for... It'll be good to get some serios seo discussion going again

If you want urls I will send them to you. The statement is accurate even though it is a blanket statement. The reason I do not post sites is that I do not try to generate Biz from forums. But will give the url to one now I will not anchor it in a free forum. This is one of the most recent sites. The url was registered Jan 22nd of 2006 and is already top 10 in msn.for every term. Most in the top 3. Google is starting to climb already for the major keywords and it currently has 1 #1 in google and 1 #2 in google and has for almost 3 weeks. the URL is www.houstonmortgageloan.net As soon as it get top(Google) the top for the main keywords within 4 to 6 months I will sell this site to a mortgage broker It is currently taking up space and used as a lead generation site. Just needed some content to get it up top. I currently have about 5 to six sites that are in the same time frame as this site. as far as customers sites. If you are doing Biz with me I will provide this info. If you want to look at other sites of mine just ask and I will send them to YOU or whom ever request to validate my claims. I just do not have the ego problem that others have. Its just a job!

Just another note: to show my faith in my abilities(and this is my company policy) I never charge a customer UNTIL i get them to the top! That is right!Not even a set-up fee! There are so many scam artist out there claiming SEO that I produce before I get paid! How is that for legit? And it would be very stupid to work with this agreement If I couldent get results!