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#459530 - 10/24/17 11:06 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Registered: 10/22/17
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Loc: new jersey
also except for dinners and flowers at open houses I have declared everything and paid taxes .
thanks for your help. its been good venting. i am so tired of some of the public thinking being a Realtor is a hobby and not a Real Job!!

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#459534 - 10/24/17 03:04 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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I did not mean to imply that you were failing to report Income . . . . but rather, that you may not have been taking advantage of your generosity by deducting (expensing) all of the Gifts, Returned Commissions, Paid Bonuses, Flowers, Meals, Vacations, and Car Repairs et cetera to which you're entitled.

Otherwise, you are paying excessive taxes on income that you didn't keep, you gifted it away to your Clients, Customers and Co-Brokers; my concern was that you may have then gone on to also pay Income Tax on these monies unnecessarily.

You may have noticed that if we don't look out for ourselves . . . . . no one else will.
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#459539 - 10/24/17 06:19 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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so true Vermont

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#459540 - 10/24/17 06:21 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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I didn't know we can claim vacations

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#459541 - 10/24/17 06:33 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Originally Posted By: Flare616
I didn't know we can claim vacations

Not for you; only those that you paid for to reward your Clients and Customers.

Double check with your Tax Accountant as to how to document this.
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#459542 - 10/24/17 09:20 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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I'm in a county that the average sales price would not warrant purchasing a vacation. for a client. nice idea though. dinners and flowers are what I do.

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#459551 - 10/25/17 12:53 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Flare-- sounds like this is a complete mess.

I'm with Vermont in thinking there is something weird about the 'co-worker'. Want to hear something crazy? What if there never was a co-worker and your sister invented the story?

If your family is tight (and it sounds like you guys might be) take this story to someone respected in the family to see if they will mediate.


Edited by Long Walk (10/25/17 05:12 PM)
Edit Reason: typo

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#459557 - 10/25/17 09:35 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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the sister prides herself on being a born again Christian. and she doesn't lie or swear. we are 6 1/2 years apart in age. we think very different. I was matron of honor at her wedding many years ago but even then I would not say we were close. so making it up I don't think so. she said when the co-worker told her she was livid and seen red because I didn't do the same thing. it just is so weird to me.

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#459558 - 10/26/17 06:46 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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From what you have described, your sister does not know what christianity is let alone how to be one. She is not above telling a lie if she can get livid and hold a grudge over something like this.
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#459559 - 10/26/17 07:30 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Loc: New Hampshire
Originally Posted By: Flare616
the sister prides herself on being a born again Christian. and she doesn't lie or swear. we are 6 1/2 years apart in age. we think very different. I was matron of honor at her wedding many years ago but even then I would not say we were close. so making it up I don't think so. she said when the co-worker told her she was livid and seen red because I didn't do the same thing. it just is so weird to me.

Flare -- It sounds like you and your sister have never been close, but it doesn't sound like you have been enemies, either...until this event.

So, we can rule out your sister inventing the story. What about if the co-worker invented the story and your sister believed it? Or maybe the co-worker passed along a story, with embellishments, that she thought she heard from someone else? Then, your sister could believe she had good grounds to be angry with you.

The quality of your service sounds like it was not the problem. Your nephew affirmed you and your sister didn't complain about what you did or how you did it.

So, this may be about the fee story from the co-worker...and maybe your sister had resentments before this.

Is there anyone in the family who could mediate? I don't see another path forward, especially since the problems in this relationship bother you. It would be different if your attitude was that you hate your sister and never cared to speak to her again.

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#459565 - 10/26/17 11:28 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Registered: 10/22/17
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Loc: new jersey
there is no-one to mediate. I will accept the fact she would
hold a grudge because I didn't give her my commission.
Her former husband sold cars. I would never ask for his commission. when she finally got around telling me why she didn't speak to me she was calm and matter-of-fact.

I'll try to let it go. but there is a rift. She told her daughter I didn't need the commission and I worked real estate for fun.

I tried to make the sale and listing easy for her and I guess I made it look too easy!It really was not easy.

So to me she is off the wall.

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#459566 - 10/26/17 12:18 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Loc: new jersey
i don't understand how anyone would think they have good grounds to think they should have my commission which is my paycheck.

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#459567 - 10/26/17 01:18 PM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 123
Loc: New Hampshire
Probably best to just let it go. Forgive her and move on. You will have a relationship with her when she is ready.

In the meantime, take all the advice you have been given here and stop working with friends and family. Prospecting daily will help with that.

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#459577 - 10/27/17 04:32 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Flare616]
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Until 10/25, I had thought Flare was a man; but when the "Matron of Honor" was mentioned, I recognized my error.

I wonder if the Sister would have tried to orchestrate this Guilt Trip on Flare if she was her Brother ?

We'll never know !
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#459578 - 10/27/17 06:27 AM Re: paying back commission [Re: Vermont]
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Registered: 06/27/08
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Loc: New Hampshire
Too funny! I was in the same boat. Who knows, but maybe Flare has a brother who went through something like this at the hands of the same sister.

My experience (for what that might be worth) is that people are generally pretty consistent in their behavior. So, maybe there is a pattern of this sister acting like this in the family. That was why I asked about a mediator.

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