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#388955 - 09/08/11 10:28 PM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: green2gold88]
jsteinhomes Offline
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Registered: 01/18/11
Posts: 282
Loc: Montgomery County, PA
Wow. Dan hit it right on the head. That was very well put, sir.
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#388957 - 09/08/11 10:38 PM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: Maui]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
Originally Posted By: maui real estate
Well said, Dan.


aaaaahhhh dan and maui,

the good ole boys network :-)
ok again in case nobody hear me...
if you guys are making boatloads of money from open houses and floortime...then keep doing them..you guys must be in awesome markets....
again-if you are making money from open houses and floortime keep doing them..
and its obvious to all you guys dont read my post..do you?

I dont only prospect..in fact in represents less than 30% of my business..read that last sentence again

and the fact remains.. I can generate more leads in 5 minutes on craigslist..
than you guys can in 5 hours of open house or floortime...
so what only one way is that..
my prospecting?
my direct mail campaigns
my internet marketing campaigns
my sphere of influence campaigns..

so cmon..tell me which one way are you referring..
about the only ways i dont get business
is open houses and floortime..and stupid ego branding stuff
like busbenches, billboards and stuff
it feels PASSIVE to me..
and my mentors tell me to bypass it..
and I did them the first 3-6 months of my career

im tempted to tell you guys go fly a kite because you guys never say nothing when the real trolls attack.

however just cashed a 17k check that i got from a 5 minute craigslist ads so feeling happy today.

all the best..do what works for you..
I'll keep sharing what works for me.. :-)

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#388959 - 09/08/11 10:44 PM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: lindenmoe]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
act is you guys hate anything non passive..lol
if it aint blogging, open houses , floortime.
you guys also hate mentorship, masterminding and coaching..it appears...
only on the internet can you openly bash a guy like jay kinder
mike ferry or hoss pratt..
and then cheer on somebody who hides behind a screen name
that offers zero value..
aqnd dan, cmon..i like you and like maui and perky learned some things about blogging..
but lets not pretend your objective..
where are you when people bash guys like lucky or jay kinder?

and hate all you want..
i didnt see any bloggers, open house or floortime guys in the top 100 wall st journal teams..that came out this week

but i did see 10 of my craig proctor, mike ferry, kinderreeese friends and mentors on there...
in fact that same guy you bashed on this very forum is #23 in the entire world on that list..

and I really cant see why if open houses and floortime wre so effective..

why NONE of the top coaches and trainers reccommend it..
why NONE of the realtor mag top 30 under 30 mention it
or why NONE of the realtors in gary keller book mrea mention them as viable sources of business.... im just curious...


Edited by lindenmoe (09/08/11 10:58 PM)

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#388977 - 09/09/11 01:19 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: green2gold88]
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#388979 - 09/09/11 01:25 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: pastmember]
pastmember Offline
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BTW...I do LOTS of open houses, have billboards, believe in branding..all in moderation.

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#388984 - 09/09/11 01:52 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: pastmember]
deepsea Offline
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Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 607
Loc: Atlanta GA
Linden....I don't think you read my posts either. I have defended the cold callers from day one. I used to do it successfully and have been to a half a dozen Mike Ferry events myself. This was about 20 years ago.

All I am saying is for a new agent, open houses and floor time can be productive. Couple that with some prospecting, some mailing and some SOI networking and they can start to sell some houses. When they are ready to hit the big time they can do what you do, do what I do, do what Perky does, or do what Bigtoe does. Or they can think of something new,.

BTW, I am not a blogger. I have only written about 20 posts in the last 5 years... and 15 of them were in the first year. What I do is completely different. My website is a blog, but it has a lot of static pages that haven't changed at all in years.

There are lots of different ways to skin cats. Lots... and they are all valid. It's about mutual respect. Read my last post. I said I have mad respect for what you do.

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#388986 - 09/09/11 01:55 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: deepsea]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
Originally Posted By: deepsea
Linden....I don't think you read my posts either. I have defended the cold callers from day one. I used to do it successfully and have been to a half a dozen Mike Ferry events myself. This was about 20 years ago.

All I am saying is for a new agent, open houses and floor time can be productive. Couple that with some prospecting, some mailing and some SOI networking and they can start to sell some houses. When they are ready to hit the big time they can do what you do, do what I do, do what Perky does, or do what Bigtoe does. Or they can think of something new,.

BTW, I am not a blogger. I have only written about 20 posts in the last 5 years... and 15 of them were in the first year. What I do is completely different. My website is a blog, but it has a lot of static pages that haven't changed at all in years.

There are lots of different ways to skin cats. Lots... and they are all valid. It's about mutual respect. Read my last post. I said I have mad respect for what you do.


And I for you as well..you and others here like perky and maui have given me tips on certain forms of lead generation..
and i appreciate it..
much respect...to you bud..

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#388991 - 09/09/11 03:17 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: lindenmoe]
Maui Offline
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Originally Posted By: lindenmoe

and hate all you want..


::Sigh:: Rethinking whether I should even respond.

Linden, personally, I don't know enough about you to be a 'hater'. And well, I have neither the time or interest to find out more.

You have been very vocal about your opinions. This forum has given you a great platform on which to share your insights of the real estate industry. I'm sure MANY have learned from you and are very grateful for what you have to share. My point is that in the past, you have been very open about bashing anyone who differs in opinion with yours. For example, you have gone at length at how floor duty/open houses don't produce super stars. That's your opinion (which somehow you believe is based on factual evidence) and you are certainly entitled to it. I see that you have a lot to offer the members of this forum, but perhaps it's the way you go about making your points that are a bit unsavory. Clearly you are successful (after all, you keep telling us how you make so much more money than the rest of us), clearly you have pertinent information to share, but it's all on the delivery. I do wish you the best in all your endeavors and I hope you will continue to contribute to the Agents Online community.

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#388998 - 09/09/11 10:28 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: Maui]
Hunter 308 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/10
Posts: 1030
Loc: Canada
Apart from Lord Lucky I have learnt a lot from Linden, unlike
Lucky he doesn't hold anything back which is very generous of
him. Lucky on the other hand will just throw out a golden nugget and disappear. Either way I really glad to have these
guys around reminding me of what I have to do each day and
it feels a lot less lonely.

Personally I'm useless with open houses and I'm told by friends
that I'm very good with people. Maybe the fault lies in the fact that I have usually put in a good week of work and deeply
recent the fact that I have to suit up and head out to work on
the weekend or I'm just tired of speaking to people about their
real estate needs and I know for sure that when Monday comes I will not hit my work as hard or as well as when I have had a break.
Mike Ferry drilled this into my head 20 years ago and he was on the money. When you have been talking to people all week long you are "Talked Out" by the weekend.

Taking days off during the work week just feels weird, kinda like being a bum.


Edited by Hunter 308 (09/09/11 10:59 AM)

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#389003 - 09/09/11 11:21 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: Maui]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
Originally Posted By: maui real estate
Originally Posted By: lindenmoe

and hate all you want..


::Sigh:: Rethinking whether I should even respond.

Linden, personally, I don't know enough about you to be a 'hater'. And well, I have neither the time or interest to find out more.

You have been very vocal about your opinions. This forum has given you a great platform on which to share your insights of the real estate industry. I'm sure MANY have learned from you and are very grateful for what you have to share. My point is that in the past, you have been very open about bashing anyone who differs in opinion with yours. For example, you have gone at length at how floor duty/open houses don't produce super stars. That's your opinion (which somehow you believe is based on factual evidence) and you are certainly entitled to it. I see that you have a lot to offer the members of this forum, but perhaps it's the way you go about making your points that are a bit unsavory. Clearly you are successful (after all, you keep telling us how you make so much more money than the rest of us), clearly you have pertinent information to share, but it's all on the delivery. I do wish you the best in all your endeavors and I hope you will continue to contribute to the Agents Online community.


hey maui,

i respect that. and will learn to tone it down..appreciate the feedback..i respect and follow you (secretly :-))
on webmaster forum, homegain, etc..
i do have to learn to get my point across with out being abrasive..jersey style..working on it..
my point is never ever to point out how much more i make than anybody
trust me in the masterminds i hang out wit im a ultra low producer..i mention figures to encourage others whats possible..
like if i say i made 100k of internet marketing/craigslist..hoping people take it serious..
or if i mention 50k of my income came from prospecting..its only so they take it serious..
i have never made a penny from blogging, open house, social media, floortime..branding..and ive done all those things
you can probably tell im the type that will try anything to grow my business..then i share what worked and put money in my pocket
maybe im just not doing it right..shrugs..
I test/track everything..like a nutjob..then I share what repeatedly works ..FOR ME...
these are the things that have a direct impact..on MY business
1.prospecting/telemarketing
2. internet marketing-non seo-direct-craigslist..ppc..etc
3. Direct Mail
4. small direct response classified ads and inserts in small local community papers

the 4 sources of business that continually make me money and whom im targeting with the above systems

1. expireds/cancelled withdrwans
2. fsbo
3. motivated..and i try for higher end luxury buyers
4. my past clients -database-sphere

the above is my systems in a nutshell..I wish i could say i
created them..

I actually just got them from coaching , masterminds
and my mentors and reading lots of books...my thinking is..

success leaves clues-by tony robbins

and if my friends can get in the top 100 wallst journal list..
by following and applying what they do..hopefully one day i can be on that list..

all the best and much success to you all,
hope my bad grammer and rambling doesnt hid the message.. ;-)

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#389005 - 09/09/11 11:54 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: lindenmoe]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
once last thought before im off to jump on the phones and prospect (bother people..lol)
i just want to illustrate something..
the above plans i use i got directly..from a few amazing sharing guys who i encourage people to follow because they have been a blessing in my life...
in the recent wall st journal i will name a few i either know personally, or mentor or in masterminds with
just to show common threads

1.jay kinder top 25 real estate tean=m in the world
shared mentors- craig proctor/mike ferry

2. jeff glover top 100 in the world- mike ferry

3. mike reese-top 250 in the world-craigproctor/mikeferry/kindereese

4. ben kinney- ismd top 100 in the world

5 audrey bustamente-craig proctor/kindereese

common threads among them
all coached or mentored by either mike ferry/craig proctor/kindereese-or other mentors like jat abraham/dan kenedy/tony robbins

1. all heavily built thier business on
1. expireds/fsbos/cancelled withdrwans
2. agressive internet buyer lead generation
3.sphere of influence past clients/referrals

all heavily built their business on
1. telemarketing/prospecting
2. direct response agressive direct mail programs
3. all use scripts/dialogues and sytems
4. all are in mentorship/masterminds/coaching groups


those are the common threads that i just follow

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#389276 - 09/14/11 02:47 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: green2gold88]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 7688
Loc: PA
Works for them and I'm happy for them. What I do works for me and I'm happy for me. smile

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#389290 - 09/14/11 11:23 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
lindenmoe Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 817
Loc: jersey city
Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Works for them and I'm happy for them. What I do works for me and I'm happy for me. smile


i know, you have built an amazing internet web,..
im mostly talking to newbies, who dont have thousands of pages indexed and tens of thousands of backlinks..

that there are things they can do today..to get paid in 90 days

"success leaves clues"- Anthony Robbins


Edited by lindenmoe (09/14/11 11:25 AM)

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#389291 - 09/14/11 11:51 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: lindenmoe]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 7688
Loc: PA
Yeah, cause I was *never* a newbie.

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#389292 - 09/14/11 11:51 AM Re: Open Houses and Floor Time [Re: green2gold88]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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Posts: 7688
Loc: PA
I just woke up and one day, whamo, I had all this stuff.

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