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#384555 - 07/27/11 12:10 PM
Real Estate Photography 2011
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I have seen this topic debated here for some time. Our "cheap" digital camera is in need of a funeral, so I am inquiring as to suggestions on a good (not most expensive) general camera for good real estate photos.
I need to stay under $500, including lens. We may eventually upgrade again as we learn this art, but unlike the federal government, our resources are limited!
Any advice is appreciated!
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#384584 - 07/27/11 03:42 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I have seen this topic debated here for some time. Our "cheap" digital camera is in need of a funeral, so I am inquiring as to suggestions on a good (not most expensive) general camera for good real estate photos.
I need to stay under $500, including lens. We may eventually upgrade again as we learn this art, but unlike the federal government, our resources are limited!
Any advice is appreciated! I have a Nikon D300 and it is a real good camera. I have owned other Nikons and have had good luck with them . The D300 is pretty high priced but that have other models that will fit your budget that do a good job.I would look on Craig s List and find someone that has one that is wanting to move up. Good luck
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#384645 - 07/28/11 12:43 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Here ya go, Droll. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-XS-Digital-1...1607&sr=8-4The 18mm isn't wide enough for my tastes but it's wider than typical cameras. You can upgrade later to the ultra wide (10mm) lens when you have more resources. Getting a camera with interchangeable lenses and with manual controls is ideal for anyone even REMOTELY interested in photography. My hubby is a total amateur. I got him the Nikon Coolpix something or other for about the same $ as the one I just linked to...and while it's good and has some awesome features, there are some things that really frustrate him. He wants to get artsy with some things and because the lens does not have a manual focus setting, he is limited by what he can do. This can get you started. I love my canon and I will say the 18-55mm lens has great quality.
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#384754 - 07/28/11 09:47 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Thanks Perky. I'll give it a look!
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#385177 - 08/02/11 09:07 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I'm new to this site, so let me first of all say, 'hi." I'm a photographer who does real estate. I hear your question quite a bit and there's no easy answer because there's no one best camera and lens.
Answer these questions before spending money on upgraded kit: Are the photographs your currently taking well lit? Have they straight vertical and horizontal lines? Are your shots setup so there's no clutter? Can you avoid flash hotspots? Is the color balance correct on you're images? Can you use - do you know how to use - manual mode on your camera? Do you have post-processing software (such as Photoshop) and know how to use it?
Anyone answering 'yes' to these questions will know what equipment they need to improve their images. If you're answering 'no' then I suggest you improve your skills before making an investment.
Here's a bigger question: you're operating a business, right? So why not hire a pro to do the photography for you? How many homes could you get done professionally for $500?
You'd get better quality photos, save time and effort, impress your client, and hopefully, sell faster for more dollars.
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#385194 - 08/02/11 10:30 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I agree that using a pro can be worth it. However, in my area, the photogs won't bother themselves with such a small job.
Must be nice to be in a position to turn down work.
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#385253 - 08/02/11 06:10 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Here's a bigger question: you're operating a business, right? So why not hire a pro to do the photography for you? Because unlike real estate agents, pros want to be paid up front whether or not the property sells. Many agents are living commission check to commission check especially when they get started. Spending $500 is almost equal to a month's worth of gas, most of a mortgage payment, a car payment, or 3 weeks of groceries...wonder which one would be the best one to omit so that professional services can be paid for that may or may not help sell the house...? Most people don't realize that agents have a lot of operating costs that can't wait until commission time. They throw around these numbers "It's only this much" or "It's only that much" as if we all have these magical wads of money sitting around waiting to be spent.
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#385288 - 08/02/11 09:40 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I would prefer to hire a pro, most of the time, but considering I list a lot of rural properties, the price would be high, considering the distance.
And what about the changes in the property that may require new photos occasionally? I certainly don't want to pay for photos twice.
With a slightly "perfectionist" personality, I believe I can develop the photography skill to shoot my own real estate photos that would be hard to distinguish from a pro photographer. Time will tell!
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#385511 - 08/04/11 01:24 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Perky Realtor, I understand your come back on the costs involved. I know how you feel, was a Realtor a few years ago myself and I felt the same way. Then I found out that investing in the right marketing areas had significant payoffs - photography being one of those areas.
Believe me, there's a lot of photographers out there doing real estate gigs for under $200. I wish I could get $500 per listing.
As I said earlier, Realtors are running a business and should start thinking like business people. If it's agreed that pro photgraphy is better than DIY, then they need to figure out how to make it happen.
Negotiate with local photographers: think of ways the photographer can benefit for the relationship and make a pitch. They give lower, or deferred rates and they get new contacts for their business for example.
In Europe and Australia client paid photography is very common. These clients have been convinced of the value of top notch photography and are willing to pay to get a faster sale at higher sales prices. Why can European and Australian agents do this and we can't in the USA? I think it's because over there they are salespeople! The majority - not all - of US agents are not good at sales, not good at marketing, and certainly don't know how to run a small business.
What do they tell listing prospects? "List with me, I'll give you less than the best marketing photography because I can't afford to pay for it - is that OK? Sign here."
I don't mean to be harsh, just honest. If I've offended anyone, please accept my apologies.
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#385524 - 08/04/11 03:24 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Is it Time we saw the light?
I believe that the consumer has to learn that there is a cost to everything and that they cannot expect to get everything for free .... as some agents, like to promise and promise.
It’s time agents as professionals, made the consumer realize this.
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#385527 - 08/04/11 03:40 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Believe me, there's a lot of photographers out there doing real estate gigs for under $200. I wish I could get $500 per listing.
As I said earlier, Realtors are running a business and should start thinking like business people. If it's agreed that pro photgraphy is better than DIY, then they need to figure out how to make it happen.
Re-Photog below is a link for a firm in Arizona that for a hundred bucks does pretty nice package. http://www.arizonaimaging.com
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#385998 - 08/09/11 04:37 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I can't give any advice regarding particular cameras as I don't take my own pictures (I have a pro that I use regularly), but I thought I'd chime in nonetheless. Although obviously not every listing will sell and there are costs associated with marketing it (i.e. brochures, photographs, featuring), those are costs that must be calculated across multiple transactions and averaged out. Either way, I see the benefit of having a professional handling the photographs and it becomes something that sellers of multi-million dollar properties come to expect. It's actually shameful that some agents post clearly amateur pictures of high-end properties, which don't represent it well (with buyers being visual creatures, capturing their interest online becomes critical).
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#391004 - 10/04/11 11:00 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I personally use a Sony Cybershot for RE, inside and outside. It only cost me $100 and I've had it for over a year. It never ceases to amaze me. The images usually come out very high resolution (as well as in a large file) but the quality is incredible for such a small device. I use Photoshop to compress the images before uploading them to a website, or emailing them to someone. Click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Cyber-Shot-DSC-W530-Vario-Tessar-Wide-Angle/dp/B004H8FNNA]here[/url] to see my camera preference on Amazon.
Also, you can probably take a photography class or two for under $75 and you'll be set for life. No need to spend $200+ each time you have an open house.
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#394577 - 11/13/11 03:27 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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In reading this thread I noticed the same old misconceptions cropping up. First is that a good camera will result in good photos. Sorry - there is very little truth in this. The person behind the camera is the most important item, then the flash, the lens and last the camera. So you want someone behind the camera that has experience. Not someone that takes photos once or twice a week, but someone that take photos of multiple homes every day of every week all year long.
The next misconceptions is that only high end properties need professional photos. A goop photographer can take that $60,000 shack, pull out the good points and minimize the bad. This is done by good lighting, proper framing and perspective. A decent photographer can take good photos of a million dollar home. A professional photographer can make a shack look presentable.
Professional photos may or may not help sell a house. This falls under the same category as an umbrella keeping you dry in the rain. True it is not guaranteed that an umbrella will keep you dry, but it does increasing your chances. The same is true with professional photos. Professional photos rarely sell the property on their own (they actual do sometimes). But they do increase the likelihood a potential client will contact you about a property. With well over 90% of property searches starting online, do you really want the first time a client sees a property be a fizzy, slanted, poorly framed photo?
Also, not all photographers expect payment upfront. Most do, but some will work with the agent to move payment to when the property sells.
In truth, $500 will get a a decent camera with a build in flash and a so-so lens. From it you will get average results that will blend in with the average results of others using similar cameras with a similar amount to experience. As an agent, you do not want average photos, you want photos that stand out from the crowd.
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#395241 - 11/20/11 09:43 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Most agents aren't using $500 cameras, so it is really easy to stand out from them. VABroker - my best tip for now: get a tripod, and turn off the flash for interior shots. Tripods are cheap; you don't need a heavy duty one for interior shots...just get one sturdy enough for that camera! Although turning off the flash could cause window "blowout," it will give a more natural look overall. The on-board flash will leave a vignette when you have the lens opened up at 15mm or wider...the on board flash is really insufficient for use with that lens. If you feel like playing, take two shots using the tripod - one with flash (which will help keep the windows looking normal instead of like a nuclear bomb went off outside) and one without. Then using Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro, you can layer the two images, flash on bottom and available light on top... and cut out the windows to reveal the better ones. That is a hell of an awkward way to describe it...I know exactly what I'm doing with it but I can't explain it, lol. If you are familiar with working with layers, hopefully you'll understand what I mean. Be sure to play around with the white balance; sometimes I get excellent results using the auto white balance setting; sometimes I have to fiddle around with it and try it at different settings. I purchased an external flash - Speedlite 430EX, a sync cord, and mounting bracket (bracket was about $40, the flash was around $300, cord was about $70). This helps a great deal with interior shots, as I can control the flash output and it works nicely with the lens (no vignette). Also you will need to sharpen the pics before uploading. ENJOY!!!! If you want a good book on the T3i, I recommend either of these: More in depth: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1435460286/ref=oh_o05_s00_i00_detailsLess involved: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/032177664X/ref=oh_o05_s00_i01_details
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#395274 - 11/21/11 12:33 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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The off camera flash like the one I mentioned will help a great deal with the dark spot - I had the same problem. I chose the 430EX because I like all of its features - the ability to adjust the intensity of the light output is the best, plus it has a little filter you pull down for wide angle shots, and the ability to bounce the flash off the ceiling really makes a difference in a lot of shots. Putting the flash OFF the camera on a bracket helped - the size of the lens just blocks part of the light, thus resulting in the vignette at the bottom. I am not sure if you NEED the extra sync cord like I got; I have to play with it more. I just ordered it based on my experience when working for the photography studio - not taking into account that technology has changed in 20 years, lol. I think that the particular flash I have can be triggered by the camera without the cord but I am not sure if that will work when using it as the main flash (I know you don't need to cord to use it as a slave flash). When I got this flash I went back and re-did some pictures I had taken before - with the same lens but not the flash. It made a noticeable difference, esp. in larger rooms. It was money well spent and I don't regret it in the least. I love my camera so much - it's practically an appendage like my hand or my foot; I'm never without it. Every day I learn something new it seems!
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#395277 - 11/21/11 01:32 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Shame on a photographer with 10's of thousand of real estate photos under their belt for offering advise on a post asking for photography advise.
For lens pincushion or barrel distortion, chromatic aberration, vignetting, and perspective in normal and fisheye lenses pickup a program called PTlens. It will help. It has templates for different lens and cameras, and reads the shoot information incorporated in the photos. Also, the cheaper the lens the more vignetting, lens distortion and chromatic aberration. So it you are needing to do a great deal of correcting, look at getting better glass.
To remove the dark spot from the lens, move the flash up, forward and use a diffuser. You can also bounce the flash off a ceiling and/or high wall. Don't use the built in flash.
As for turning off the flash for inside photos. This can work if the room has good lighting from high windows. If you are taking photos in the morning or late afternoon, watch out for shadows. Most rooms will need a flash to even out the lighting and to keep it from appear dark.
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#395294 - 11/21/11 04:20 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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My flash appears to be fixed unfortunately. Darn! If you are saying that your lens is built in, then bouncing or moving the flash will not be possible. Instead work with the zoom on the lens. The wider the angle, the more the area below the lens will show. So reduce the width of the view until the shadow does not show. Either that or Photoshop it out. If you are stating that your flash must be mounted to the shoe on the camera, the solution is a frame and hot shoe cable. You mount the camera and flash to the frame. The cable connects the hot shoe on the camera with the flash.  If you are stating that your flash is repaired and you don't have an excuse to replace it, then there are several options. I favor the ones involving kinetic energy and hard surfaces or high explosives. 
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#395303 - 11/21/11 06:21 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
[Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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I will say I've looked around but I am not familiar with all the terms, buttons, choices - they seem to abound and I'm more in line with Perky's hubby - want it simple but want it to do everything (sounds like a first-time home buyer, huh?).
Hubby decided to drag me to the camera shop (not Best Buy, etc.) and this is the one he seemed to think would do the job. When I looked through the wide angle lens (the shop was very wide (40 ft at least), there was no distortion in any of the four edges, so, I was happy with that.
And the regular lens (18-35mm?) will probably do the job in most situations.
I've tried the subject with background fuzzy (that was nice) and the closeup (really close up) - nice there too. Didn't see alot of different in some of the other 'choices' it has to offer; but, I really need to do it on a day when I'm not so tired also.
It's a matter of trial/error and practice, practice, practice.
NealM needs to understand in our line of work - we DO the work with usually no guarantees of getting paid whereas a professional photographer's there with their hand out as soon as the pics are available. No offense, but our payment system is very different.
But, I, and I'm sure others, welcome any suggestions, recommendations.
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#395341 - 11/22/11 09:24 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Perky - Clearly you have had some bad experiences with some photographers that has left a bad taste in your mouth. I'm not going to personalize this by bad mouthing your photos, your listings or you. But I will dispute your statements. You could liken advice of "Hire a pro because you can't handle it yourself" to telling a FSBO to "hire a realtor" when they ask for ideas on how to market their home themselves. If a FSBO seller posted that he needed help on choosing the correct paper sign to place in front of there house, I would see nothing wrong with an agent stating a paper sign would not be appropriate or that a agent could help them make better choice or sell the property. In addition, if there were other posts that stated misconceptions about the selling process, it would be appropriate for an agent to set the record straight. We are not taking pictures for House and Home or Architectural Digest. We are not taking pictures, generally, to be advertised in anything more prestigious than the MLS. Interesting comment given the reach of the photo that are placed in the MLS and on the internet. Given that a buyers first view of a property is very likely to be from photos placed in that [less] prestigious MLS or internet site, I am thinking the internet photos should be of greater importance. Taking a look through "awful MLS photo" groups and blogs will tell you that the general PUBLIC doesn't really care much about whether or not a picture is "professionally" done or whether it is done by an agent with skill or by an idiot with a cell phone. Properties also sell daily with poor landscaping, ugly wallpaper, missing walls, poor locations, bad roofs.... so I guess the PUBLIC does not really care about any of those items. The true is that property will sell despite many flaws or awful photos. The question is how long will it take to sell and will the selling price have to compensate for those flaws. They do say "that home looks too small" when in reality the home will work for them...the agent used a crappy camera and didn't have a wide angle lens to show the whole home.... This indicates that the photos ARE important and that buyers are influenced by them. When you hold an open house or have a buyer tour a property, do you tell the owners to have the property clean and presentable or do you tell them to leave the carpets unvacuumed, the dirty cloths on the floor and dust on the furniture? Why - because how a property is displayed effects how a property sells, with the first impression being the most important. Given that most buyer first view of a property is through photos on the internet, shouldn't those photos present the property in the best light? Do buyers say to me, "Oh geez, I can't buy that house. The pictures are not professional enough. The windows are "blown out" and the corners are dark and it's out of focus..." No - they literary move on to the next property. No buyer is going to call an agent and tell them that the photos are bad, they will simply move on to the listing with the nice photos. The agent won't get the call and the property will stay on the market longer. [referencing a $60,000 house]So then I am expected to pay some photographer a couple hundred dollars Few real estate photographer would charge a couple hundred dollars for a $60,000 house. If they did, I would expect that you would find a different photographer. We do a great deal of work with properties under $60,000 because in our area we can offer our product at a price that makes it worth while to the agents. That may not be the case in all areas. Every time you turn around, someone is trying to stick their hand in our pocket to take a chunk of what WE worked hard for.....I'm tired of people trying to part me with my hard earned money, and I'm tired of agents being told they NEED this or the MUST USE that This is true for every small business. You, I, and the guy selling fruit on the corner have to deal with this. It is part of running a business.
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#395351 - 11/22/11 10:45 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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No - they literary move on to the next property. No buyer is going to call an agent and tell them that the photos are bad, they will simply move on to the listing with the nice photos. The agent won't get the call and the property will stay on the market longer. I'm talking about listings I send to people to look at and consider. I tell you this: unless the house is priced right, pretty pictures are not going to sell it. If the house is overpriced, then it is an overpriced house with pretty pictures. I'm not saying NICE pictures are not important. If I thought NICE PICTURES were unimportant, I would not have spent the tons of money that I have spent on my camera, lenses, flash, and other equipment. Pictures do not have to be PROFESSIONALLY TAKEN to be NICE.
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#395865 - 11/30/11 11:11 AM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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did anyone hear about the real estate agent/prof. photographer who was recently found dead on his property? he died of exposure.
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#395903 - 11/30/11 03:46 PM
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yeah, it was so cold, he died in a flash.
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#395910 - 11/30/11 04:28 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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#395943 - 11/30/11 09:52 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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Perky how do you like the camera? I've read numerous online reviews but would love to hear a review from someone in our business. I'm planning on picking up the same model this week. Thanks, Ed
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#396053 - 12/02/11 02:13 PM
Re: Real Estate Photography 2011
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#396326 - 12/06/11 08:05 PM
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#398480 - 01/10/12 04:32 AM
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Hi, Why don't you go for a video showing the active images. I am sure that it will attract more people. Well, if you ask then, I used a Canon Rebel T3 and also a 10-30mm lens on Christmas. It will sure 'open' up the rooms.
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#398539 - 01/11/12 12:16 AM
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I shoot a lot of video and have yet to see video do justice to the inside of a home that does not move. Most videos are just pans of rooms and do not make compelling video. Video needs life like this one I shot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLVspRliUYU It has been liked over 54 times on facebook. I have never seen a video of a home that anyone would like except maybe the selling anent and or the seller. 3D on the other had has a way of drawing one into the photos. They are very cool and very warm. I think they might work well on static images like rooms. Have to test it out. Will not know until I try.
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