kill..I couldnt have said it better myself..

this business is about gross commissions, volume etc and pretty awards...
I know great agents who I have congrats on thier awards tell me..

"but I didnt make any money!!..I didnt make anything
after paying for lead generation,..websites..company commission splits and over head...!

Mike ferry was the one that got me actually really looking at my net numbers..
was when I decided to stop my $4800 a month in marketing and advertising..I was spending...

and perky and dan and others..

for the last time im gonna adress this...

if any agent is happy doing 4-6 deals a year and being average that fine...

if you are doing 20 deals a year..and making the monbey you want and are satisfied thats fine...

me personally came to this post..to BREAK the 20 deals a year and 150k-200k mark...

I want to do the deals and gfet the money that comes from 50 closings a year and a couple of hundred thousand dollars...

thats why i come to lucky thread..to learn how to call and make that kind of money and do that number of transactions..

SOOOO what the heck are you guys doing in a thread about cold calling and calling people trying to do what lucky did?

and I dont get why you guys even come in a thread..

by a very generous and sharing mike ferry agent named lucky..
who talks about making 500k and doing over 50 transactions
and using scripts and dialogues,..and canned presentations..
a schedule and working hard...

if that doesnt interest you at all...that makes no sense...

why not just comment in the 400 people contact me a day thread..which the headline is very misleading and really just b.s....

at least the subject of this thread says very specifically who its for...and tells the darn truth...

THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

(they love to hate us I think, not sure how
this works out with the Karma big boss)

There is no such thing as Karma. It's a silly notion if you think about it. Even more so if you don't.

My only objection to cold calling is this: It makes us look terrible to the public and keeps the image of the profession in the gutter. However, in the final analysis, perhaps that's where it belongs given the generally accepted level of incompetence that pervades the field.

I mean can you imagine a surgeon or an attorney calling strangers begging for business? Can you even imagine an accountant or a funeral director doing this? Why, I cannot even imagine a car salesman dialing strangers and asking them if they plan to buy or sell a car in the next 6 months? A car salesman has too much dignity to sink this low. Real estate agents... do not.

So the only reason we of the more enlightened segment of the forum put our 2 cents in is to make sure the newbie population is aware of a better alternative to peddling the Kirbys and the Hoovers and such.

It is probably for the best if those who prefer this method just ignore the detractors and simply continue to impress each other with the phony lead totals and income levels. Then, just let we of the more enlightened segment sprinkle in our reality check every 50-100 posts so the newbies can keep hope alive that real estate does not have to mean journeying into Purgatory to build a career.

That way, the hustlers can impress each other, the enlightened segment can feel they did their civic duty for the newbies, and everyone can just be happy.

navarac,

Haha arent you the same guy who says...

Im not revealing my lil secret special never before seen shiny penny..magic pill marketing..

who says
1. dont call people
2. dont get a mentor or coach
3.dont use systems like scripts and dialogues and presentations

4.who says just wing it?
5. who says blah,blah,blah,blah

if agents shouldnt call ..what is a newbie to do buddy?

open houses,floortime stuff huh?

any thing of value you wanbt to add to the nwbies..or ya just a plain old hater...

real estate is probably the only business where you can ignore conventional business advice and still stay in business.. at all..

where you can produce and make nothing and be unproductive all day long...and do silly stuff like

be on facebook, all day and not have to come to work and take weeks off and all this silly stuff..

anywhere else you would be fired..so thank god you have real estate...cause you couldnt hack it anywhere else...

and speaking of other professions..

can you imagine a doctor, lawyer, pilot or any other professional who says..

ya know im just gonna wing it and be creative today...

nothing proven to work, no system , no checklisrt..

i just wanna figure this out, wing it and be creative...

I never had a doctor call me and say "Did you know your neighbor had open heart surgery this week? I was thinking it might be time for you to have your ticker evaluated."

Please don't insult professions like medicine and the law.

by the way newbies..
in my market in hudson county nj
57 OFFICES closed down in the last 24 months
1500 agents no longer even doing real estate at all...

some of them decent agents just led astray by magic pill stuff

all of them
was on social media
had some kind of blog or website

why are they all gone, broke outta business...

you wanna be broke and outta business in 24 months ..its simple..

Just wing it, be creative, dont follow ANY proven sytems or advice..
Just go out there and be creative and have fun..

NBo listening to floyd wickmans, brian buffini's tom hopkins, craig proctors or mike ferry's..

no asking top agents what they do everyday...

just figure it all out and wing it...

perkuy,

are you talking to your crush... navarac?

who says they should just wing it, be creative...

your doctor or attorney says that?

then yesa i agree please dont insult other professionals like that..

with idiotic ego talk such as just wing it..be creative..etc

that advice given by your crush navarac...

is the worst advice i have ever heard in my life..

in fact after countless events like starpower.rebar, ..

i have never heard any top agent..or any respectable real estate trainer..

ever say just wing it and be creative..not one..

even for seo and blogging winging it and being creative wont get you very far..

you have to use a sytem..

blog often
good on page optimization,
keyword density in title etc..

and then building backlinks andthat are indexable by google...

so just try winging it and being creative with any aspect of this business..try ranking

without good onpage and offpage seo..

Chill.

My username is Perky, and Navarac is not my "crush" just because I happen to agree with some of what he said.

This is a discussion forum. Disagreement is to be expected. I have no real issues with you guys until you suggest that an alternate of cold calling is lazy, unproductive, underperforming, etc.

Cold calling is not the holy grail. And I never once said the way I generate leads and business is a magic pill. Never once.

Only said it makes my job more enjoyable for me...and it makes me successful. To be successful AND happy...that is awesome.

When a moderator says Chill, it is suggested that you chill.

Doctors and lawyers don't need to do that. Their services are advertised for them by salespeople. They also benefit from a huge referral network that is the hospital system. If there weren't people doing this they would quickly go out of business. Sales makes the world go round. Any time you see a business be it not-for-profit, healthcare etc where there are administrative people with jobs there is a saleperson somewhere who won some business. Let's not insult a profession like sales.