|
|
#360426 - 12/13/10 02:28 PM
Buyers Brokerage agreement
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 08/29/05
Posts: 751
Loc: Florida
|
I'm appalled when buyers refuse to sign the buyers brokerage agreement, they always say the same thing "no other agent has asked me to sign one" so on, so on..... Don't get me wrong, I have had buyers sign & closed with me, without a problem. I was speaking to another agent today that explained to me that in our market, Miami, this agreement does not work for us, that people don't understand the concept. I hate the fact that people just jump from one agent to another, it does not seem like a business. I'm getting my business together and I am trying to make changes, not be like the rest of the agents. This is my business and my time. I guess if they don't sign they will not be a priority, I have to look up some scripts & explain it well.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360438 - 12/13/10 04:38 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: FL_Agent]
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 08/29/05
Posts: 751
Loc: Florida
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360452 - 12/13/10 05:52 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: zpcsc]
|
Member
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 12
Loc: San Diego Ca
|
It always bothers me too. Its like saying yes I am going to lie to you and use someone else by not signing.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360463 - 12/13/10 06:49 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Perky_REALTOR]
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 948
Loc: Canada
|
I have never used a BB and have never had a problem until last week. I showed a client 38 homes over a period of a six weeks and they walked into an open house and bought the home. She e-mailed me to say they fell in love with the house and didn't mean to waste my time. These are past clients that I had a top notch working relationship with. They bought for 725K. I still believe most people are loyal and decent and hope that this is an exception and not a new rule.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360464 - 12/13/10 07:08 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Hunter 308]
|
Major Contributor
Registered: 04/12/08
Posts: 4726
Loc: Vermont's North-East Kingdom
|
I guess then she wasn't a "Client". She was just a "Customer".
_________________________
Dale C. Hittle of GOLDEN RULE PROPERTIES in Glover, Vermont Where We're Always Striving To Put Together "THE FAIR DEAL"
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360466 - 12/13/10 07:25 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Vermont]
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 948
Loc: Canada
|
I work full time in this gig and have never once heard an agent refer to their charge as a customer, granted you are right in your legal terminology. The term Customer sounds more applicable to a retail outfit. The majority of the agents I know don't use a BB, their average real estate trench time would be 20 years.
Edited by Hunter12 (12/13/10 07:28 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360471 - 12/13/10 08:22 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Hunter 308]
|
Member
Registered: 12/24/09
Posts: 256
Loc: Ontario, Canada
|
Vermont, here, you do not need for there to be a Buyer agency agreement signed in order to be representing the buyer as a client.
Hunter, we deal with Customers all the time. Brokerages should be doing so in an attempt to avoid multiple representation when at all possible.
Edited by MHT (12/13/10 08:25 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360472 - 12/13/10 08:23 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Hunter 308]
|
Member
Registered: 05/14/10
Posts: 300
Loc: Los Angeles
|
Do a good enough job that your clients will want to do business with you, and you won't have to force them into a contractual relationship. I don't say that to be pithy, but people are very wary of the "hi, nice to meet you, sign this contract please" approach. This implies that you don't trust them to be loyal to you--and people have a tendency to behave in the way you expect them to behave.
When I've done a BB agreement, I've only ever used a non-exclusive one, and only when the client broached the subject because *they* wanted some sort of reassurance that I was representing them.
In my mind, the best thing I can do to prevent my clients from "cheating" on me with another agent is to show that I trust them. Could I get burned? Sure...but even with a signed buyer-broker agreement, I could still get burned. (Plus, it's certainly questionable whether it's worth it for me to spend the time and energy--and damage to my reputation--to take a former client to court for a commission I felt I had should have earned.)
For me, the "work" doesn't even begin until we've reached the point of writing a purchase offer. Touring homes and talking to people about real estate is fun--it's something I do when I have downtime between clients anyway. At worst, I've lost a couple afternoons and got to see some listings I otherwise might not have seen. At best, I'll still actually get a sale or a referral out of the deal because the agent the buyers went with turned out to be a complete turkey (it's happened!).
Edited by Andy Perkins (12/13/10 09:23 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360479 - 12/13/10 09:12 PM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Andy Perkins]
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 948
Loc: Canada
|
You make a lot of good points and have a healthy perspective on this wonderful game. A client called me after this incident happened and wanted to look at homes in the same area, he is very impressed with my market knowledge which is a result of the previous customer/client. I have sold him homes in the past and will not ask him to sign a BB.
I do a lot of work for chartered accountants and many of them have terrible communications skills, the one in the above example was one of these, it was brutal trying to figure out were her thinking was at. All I can say is I did my best.
It's nice to hear from an agent that truly enjoys what they do.
MHT, you make a lot of sense, when a listing agent follows up on a showing they want to know what you and your client think of their property, they always refer to your buyer as the "client". I live my life by the "golden rule" and have no plans of changing this. Cause and Effect are the Chancellors of god... Emmerson.
Edited by Hunter12 (12/13/10 09:38 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360500 - 12/14/10 06:47 AM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Hunter 308]
|
Mod Squad
Major Contributor
Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 7685
Loc: PA
|
Hunter, that's amazing - I'll bet that agent that runs the open house won't say "Open houses don't work! Buyers at open houses never buy them!"  That said - maybe in the future for your buyers you could edjucamate them and tell them "Hey, I know you will probably want to drive around without me sometimes and go to open houses. If you do, that's great! Here are a few of my cards - give one to the open house agent so they know you are represented. If you fall in love anything, give me a call and we'll get to work on making it yours!" Or something like that. A lot of buyers have no idea that they don't have to use the open house agent...and that's OUR fault, not theirs and not the open house agent's.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360510 - 12/14/10 09:39 AM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Perky_REALTOR]
|
Major Contributor
Registered: 04/12/08
Posts: 4726
Loc: Vermont's North-East Kingdom
|
Unfortunately, the careless intermingling of the terms "Customer" and "Client" will unnecessarily lead to the accidental creation of an "Implied Agency" which can then carry with it most, if not all, of the responsibilities of Agency, including the care required when one bears a Fiduciary Responsibility.
I too have more than just a few decades of experience in this line of endeavor, and I have sat in on many Disciplinary Hearings where the complaining "Customers" thought some Licensed person was representing their best interests, and where they had come to confide in the Licensee as if they were truly "their Agent". Except in jurisdictions where permitted, it is always incumbent upon these Agents to immediately correct that mis-understanding to avoid the creation of an "Un-Disclosed Dual Agency".
Without actively correcting that mis-understanding, "Customers" do have a reasonable expectation to receive the care and protection that we afford our "Clients" . . . . and sooner or later, that will lead to problems. Like it or not, the terminology we use plays a role in fostering these expectations.
Perhaps the Canadians have not yet become quite as litigious as U.S. Citizens; but the financial swings in market values grow, and mistakes become increasingly serious, it will surely become an important aspect of your business as well. Take it or leave it.
_________________________
Dale C. Hittle of GOLDEN RULE PROPERTIES in Glover, Vermont Where We're Always Striving To Put Together "THE FAIR DEAL"
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360512 - 12/14/10 09:48 AM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: Vermont]
|
Veteran Member
Registered: 07/14/08
Posts: 930
Loc: Puffy Clouds
|
Unfortunately, the careless intermingling of the terms "Customer" and "Client" will unnecessarily lead to the accidental creation of an "Implied Agency" which can then carry with it most, if not all, of the responsibilities of Agency, including the care required when one bears a Fiduciary Responsibility.
I too have more than just a few decades of experience in this line of endeavor, and I have sat in on many Disciplinary Hearings where the complaining "Customers" thought some Licensed person was representing their best interests, and where they had come to confide in the Licensee as if they were truly "their Agent". Except in jurisdictions where permitted, it is always incumbent upon these Agents to immediately correct that mis-understanding to avoid the creation of an "Un-Disclosed Dual Agency".
Without actively correcting that mis-understanding, "Customers" do have a reasonable expectation to receive the care and protection that we afford our "Clients" . . . . and sooner or later, that will lead to problems. Like it or not, the terminology we use plays a role in fostering these expectations.
Perhaps the Canadians have not yet become quite as litigous as U.S. Citizens; but the financial swings in market values grow, and mistakes become increasingly serious, it will surely become an important aspect of your business as well. Take it or leave it. I remember in one of my training classes when I first got into real estate, the trainer, an attorney, instructed us to use "customer" vs "client" for the same reasons you mentioned above regarding their expectations.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#360517 - 12/14/10 10:27 AM
Re: Buyers Brokerage agreement
[Re: FL_Agent]
|
Member
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 387
Loc: USA
|
I remember the words of Bruce Aydt on "Implied Agency" when I took one of my GRI modules from him in my first year as a licensee..."If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it BETTER be a duck". For those that don't know Bruce he has the Law and Ethics column in the NAR Realtor mag: http://www.bruceaydt.com/
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
This Google Custom search may do a better job of searching the forums for some keywords than the old forum search does. The results do not include threads from the Asset Managers Forum however. To search that forum you will need to be actually in the Asset Managers Forum and you will need to use the old forum search below.
|
|
Registered: 03/04/07
Posts: 1801
|
|
|