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#355128 - 10/20/10 08:15 AM Please Be Careful Out There!
Angie 0729 Offline
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In the last month here in Ohio 2 people have been killed in forclosed homes. Another lady yesterday was pushed down the basement steps and her purse stolen while checking on one of her properties. It's getting scary around here and I am now thinking twice about the interior orders around here. I have one today and just found out about this lady. It's not too far from where my order is today...so please everyone be careful!!

Angie

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#355131 - 10/20/10 09:17 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
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Glock 19 with +p hollow points. Works every time.

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#355133 - 10/20/10 09:27 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: sacbroker]
Mike Hagen Offline
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It is definitely prudent to be aware of the risks that you may be taking in a daily basis. Thanks for the reminder Angie.

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#355135 - 10/20/10 09:30 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: sacbroker]
BpoBill Offline
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Originally Posted By: sacbroker
Glock 19 with +p hollow points. Works every time.


Bingo. If you can carry a firearm in your state I highly suggest it for this business.

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#355138 - 10/20/10 09:57 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: BpoBill]
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The one near Kent was NOT an f/c. I don't know for certain about the house in Youngstown, the third, near Youngstown, was an apartment. All happened in Sept.

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#355154 - 10/20/10 11:42 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: KT]
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Don't go alone!!!!!! And make sure that someone knows where you are going.
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#355164 - 10/20/10 01:05 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
Brad - W4BJM Offline
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Originally Posted By: Angie 0729
In the last month here in Ohio 2 people have been killed in forclosed homes. Another lady yesterday was pushed down the basement steps and her purse stolen while checking on one of her properties.

Angie


For those of us that concentrate on doing mostly BPOs, the OP reminds us about the need of being cautious while doing interiors. I have almost gotten to the point of just not doing them anymore. Beside the crime risk in some neighborhoods, is it really worth the little extra you get for all the access issues that come with them?

Nonetheless, thanks for posting Angie and reminding us of what we already know but have a tendency to forget. Be careful folks, desperate people will do desperate things!
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#355176 - 10/20/10 03:46 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Brad - W4BJM]
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"Bingo. If you can carry a firearm in your state I highly suggest it for this business."

I highly disagree with this statement. The reason is many that purchase a knife,gun,etc. do not practice to use it.

I believe it is a waste for someone to have a gun and then feel SECURE and have no clue and be rusty as a nail when they need it.

It takes time and commitment with any weapon along with maintenance and costs of range time and ammo to train properly.

Having weapons and not knowing how to use them can actually put you in a worse situation with an attacker.


So if you buy a weapon make goals with it and stick to those goals.Your life is worth taking the time to put in the work instead of just BUYING SOMETHING.

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#355178 - 10/20/10 04:12 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: super realtor]
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I've only been shot at once and it was only a shotgun from about 100 yards. Other than that, everythings kool.

I also carry my 38 everywhere I go that legal. Never out of my back pocket.
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#355184 - 10/20/10 05:17 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Brad - W4BJM]
KT Offline
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Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: BpoOnlyAgent II
Originally Posted By: Angie 0729
In the last month here in Ohio 2 people have been killed in forclosed homes. Another lady yesterday was pushed down the basement steps and her purse stolen while checking on one of her properties.

Angie


For those of us that concentrate on doing mostly BPOs, the OP reminds us about the need of being cautious while doing interiors. I have almost gotten to the point of just not doing them anymore. Beside the crime risk in some neighborhoods, is it really worth the little extra you get for all the access issues that come with them?

Nonetheless, thanks for posting Angie and reminding us of what we already know but have a tendency to forget. Be careful folks, desperate people will do desperate things!


Again, please try to keep things accurate. The agent murdered near Kent, for sure was not showing a f/c'd house. It was vacant, yes, f/c'd, no. And I do not believe the agent killed in Y-Town was showing an f/c'd house either.

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#355186 - 10/20/10 05:33 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: KT]
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The murderer of the Kent agent knew his victim. The murderer's wife had bought a home from the agent that later went into foreclosure.

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#355216 - 10/20/10 10:09 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: R. Danneskjold]
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They bought that house land contract. The seller still had a mortgage and quit making the mortgsge payments. The husband was mad at everyone involved but for some reason he went after the agent who was done when the land contract was signed. This could happened to any of us! The agent was set up.

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#355238 - 10/21/10 05:35 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: erskine748]
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Forclosure, Smorclosure? It doesn't really matter at what state a property is in. There was an agent in the DFW area raped at an open house on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

The fact is if you are going into potentially vacant homes by yourself or even with a partner, you should have something to defend yourself even if it is a canister of OC spray AND HAVE IT OUT READY TO USE.

I perfer my 38 but each person has their own threshhold of comfort.

Police are reactive, not proactive. You need to be proactive.
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#355243 - 10/21/10 08:18 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Gig em]
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Just saw this thread, and I have to agree, please be careful everyone. We had a homicide in one of our listings yesterday morning. We believe that we know the perpetrator, it is a squatter that had been sleeping in the house. We got a terrible scare because the detective that called and notified us said that he thought that the contractor that we had repairing the home had been killed. Coincidentally, we did have a contractor working on the home. The victim was actually another guy that had been working on the house before it was foreclosed on. The guy appeared to have been struck in the head with something, and that is what the detectives say killed him. The team owner, and our broker are meeting with the detectives later today. Watch your back when going into these homes folks, you never know who may be in the home lurking about. Follow agent safety rules, don't walk into the home on your phone,(you cannot hear if anyone is in the home moving around), and let someone know where you are, and where you plan to be.
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#355255 - 10/21/10 09:10 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: KT]
Angie 0729 Offline
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Originally Posted By: KT
Originally Posted By: BpoOnlyAgent II
Originally Posted By: Angie 0729
In the last month here in Ohio 2 people have been killed in forclosed homes. Another lady yesterday was pushed down the basement steps and her purse stolen while checking on one of her properties.

Angie


For those of us that concentrate on doing mostly BPOs, the OP reminds us about the need of being cautious while doing interiors. I have almost gotten to the point of just not doing them anymore. Beside the crime risk in some neighborhoods, is it really worth the little extra you get for all the access issues that come with them?

Nonetheless, thanks for posting Angie and reminding us of what we already know but have a tendency to forget. Be careful folks, desperate people will do desperate things!


Again, please try to keep things accurate. The agent murdered near Kent, for sure was not showing a f/c'd house. It was vacant, yes, f/c'd, no. And I do not believe the agent killed in Y-Town was showing an f/c'd house either.


My info is accurate I was not even talking about Kent or Youngstown didn't even know about these. I am talking about Columbus and central Ohio.

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#355258 - 10/21/10 09:16 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
Angie 0729 Offline
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Wow..maybe that's why I never post on here anymore! Always BS that goes along with it...I will correct my orginal post in Central Ohio there were incidents!Geesh!

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#355262 - 10/21/10 09:25 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
Peace ☼ Offline
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Registered: 06/29/07
Posts: 478
Loc: Chicago
I appreciated the warning, the location does not matter...Times are hard and people are getting desperate,we should all keep out eyes and ears open...Thanks!

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#355265 - 10/21/10 09:43 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: KT]
smg Offline
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Registered: 02/16/06
Posts: 2130
Loc: United States
Originally Posted By: KT
Originally Posted By: BpoOnlyAgent II
Originally Posted By: Angie 0729
In the last month here in Ohio 2 people have been killed in forclosed homes. Another lady yesterday was pushed down the basement steps and her purse stolen while checking on one of her properties.

Angie


For those of us that concentrate on doing mostly BPOs, the OP reminds us about the need of being cautious while doing interiors. I have almost gotten to the point of just not doing them anymore. Beside the crime risk in some neighborhoods, is it really worth the little extra you get for all the access issues that come with them?

Nonetheless, thanks for posting Angie and reminding us of what we already know but have a tendency to forget. Be careful folks, desperate people will do desperate things!


Again, please try to keep things accurate. The agent murdered near Kent, for sure was not showing a f/c'd house. It was vacant, yes, f/c'd, no. And I do not believe the agent killed in Y-Town was showing an f/c'd house either.


KT- Sorry, I think you are losing the spirit of the message. As someobody who is thousands of miles away, I am not as interested in the particulars of these cases. The intention of the message was to remind us to be aware of our surroundings and to be careful. That is a very worth discussion. The particulars of whether it was an apartment, a foreclosure, etc. have absolutely no bearing on the discussion to me....just my opinion.

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#355277 - 10/21/10 11:10 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
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The Ohio agent was local to me. She was in a nicer subdivision, and was in the back yard. She had walked through the property and into the back yard and was checking the exterior. She heard a noise in the house and went back in. The guy grabbed for her purse and at the same time pushed her down the basement stairs. She has three cracked ribs, a concusion, and a messed up knee. I am not even going to comment on her actions but I will list what I do at every property no matter what - nice area or crackville.
1) I do not pull into the drive, I park across the street from the property and I sit there for at least 2 minutes watching not only the house but the surroundings.
2) I take the following things with me: 1)my cell which is set on location so that if I dial 911 I do not need to tell anyone where I am - my location shows up. 2) My huge police flashlight, tucked under my left arm so that should I need to I can grab the light part and swing it around at someone's head. My camera on a strap around my right wrist so that I do not have to have anything in my right hand or left. My keys (with a whisle on the ring) are tucked into my back waist band. (notice I do not take my purse)
3) Walk around the entire exterior - EVRYTIME. Look at all windows - including basement ones, look for any smudges left by hands trying to open them. Try every knob on every exterior door and if one is unlocked, leave. If you see any signs of entry, leave. Go around the corner in your vehicle and call the police radio room to dispatch a cruiser to your location. If you do not see any signs of entry, enter the house through the front door. Yell very loudly "Realtor" and listen for movement - if you hear any noise - leave. Walk the entire house prior to doing whatever it is you are there to do. Check every closet and then set about your business. It takes time but your attention is on one thing checking the house, not taking pics or whatever. I have never entered a house that made me feel uneasy. Any vacant house anywhere is a potential trap for an agent. Think and pay attention to the hair on the back of your neck.
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#355290 - 10/21/10 12:08 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: OverTheEdge]
JackREO Offline
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Registered: 09/02/08
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Loc: Massachusetts
Good advise from all. Might I be so bold as to suggest carrying wasp/hornet spray. It doesn't require an FID card and has the same effect as pepper spray or mace but at a much greater distance and for a much longer time. In addition it serves as a deterent for dogs, skunks (both 2 and 4 legged) and it's cheap. Oh and did I mention wasps and hornets also.

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#355296 - 10/21/10 12:55 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: super realtor]
BpoBill Offline
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Registered: 09/24/06
Posts: 1967
Loc: US
Originally Posted By: super realtor
"Bingo. If you can carry a firearm in your state I highly suggest it for this business."

I highly disagree with this statement. The reason is many that purchase a knife,gun,etc. do not practice to use it.

I believe it is a waste for someone to have a gun and then feel SECURE and have no clue and be rusty as a nail when they need it.

It takes time and commitment with any weapon along with maintenance and costs of range time and ammo to train properly.

Having weapons and not knowing how to use them can actually put you in a worse situation with an attacker.


So if you buy a weapon make goals with it and stick to those goals.Your life is worth taking the time to put in the work instead of just BUYING SOMETHING.


I disagree with your statement. You assumed only the negative in what I said. I know of 5 agents in my office who carry guns, and they all know how to use them very well. Myself included. There are always bad apples in every group. I did not imply to just go out and buy a gun and stick in a holster. Please don't assume only the negative in my posts.

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#355299 - 10/21/10 12:59 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: OverTheEdge]
BpoBill Offline
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Registered: 09/24/06
Posts: 1967
Loc: US
Originally Posted By: OverTheEdge
The Ohio agent was local to me. She was in a nicer subdivision, and was in the back yard. She had walked through the property and into the back yard and was checking the exterior. She heard a noise in the house and went back in. The guy grabbed for her purse and at the same time pushed her down the basement stairs. She has three cracked ribs, a concusion, and a messed up knee. I am not even going to comment on her actions but I will list what I do at every property no matter what - nice area or crackville.
1) I do not pull into the drive, I park across the street from the property and I sit there for at least 2 minutes watching not only the house but the surroundings.
2) I take the following things with me: 1)my cell which is set on location so that if I dial 911 I do not need to tell anyone where I am - my location shows up. 2) My huge police flashlight, tucked under my left arm so that should I need to I can grab the light part and swing it around at someone's head. My camera on a strap around my right wrist so that I do not have to have anything in my right hand or left. My keys (with a whisle on the ring) are tucked into my back waist band. (notice I do not take my purse)
3) Walk around the entire exterior - EVRYTIME. Look at all windows - including basement ones, look for any smudges left by hands trying to open them. Try every knob on every exterior door and if one is unlocked, leave. If you see any signs of entry, leave. Go around the corner in your vehicle and call the police radio room to dispatch a cruiser to your location. If you do not see any signs of entry, enter the house through the front door. Yell very loudly "Realtor" and listen for movement - if you hear any noise - leave. Walk the entire house prior to doing whatever it is you are there to do. Check every closet and then set about your business. It takes time but your attention is on one thing checking the house, not taking pics or whatever. I have never entered a house that made me feel uneasy. Any vacant house anywhere is a potential trap for an agent. Think and pay attention to the hair on the back of your neck.


That would work great except in Detroit. If you call the cops on a house that shows forced entry they are not showing up that day. Probably not even at all.

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#355303 - 10/21/10 02:07 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: BpoBill]
smg Offline
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Registered: 02/16/06
Posts: 2130
Loc: United States
Here is the reality of some of these ideas...First off, they all have great intentions and none of them are wrong, but for me most of these wil not work.

1) Always take somebody with you- I do BPOs every day. Who do I find that has absolutely nothing to do that will go to work with me every day?

2) Always let somebody know where you are- I am not calling somebody from every stop and letting them know where I am. I make multiple stops every day. I chose to do this for a living. Making multiple calls to somebody every day may have that person killing me.

3) Do not enter on a property that shows forced entry- Now this is where I am probably stupid. I have done that and I probably will again. Calling the cops and waiting for half a day is not an option. I need pics and I need to make a living....


So, while these are good suggestions, they are not practical for me and that may make me an idiot. But, I can't drag somebody around every day and ring somebodys phone multiple times every day....But, I prolly should not enter a property that looks broken into....but I do.


Edited by smg (10/21/10 02:08 PM)

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#355339 - 10/21/10 07:38 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: JackREO]
Florida REO Offline
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Registered: 09/20/10
Posts: 9
Loc: Florida
[quote=JackREO]Good advise from all. Might I be so bold as to suggest carrying wasp/hornet spray. It doesn't require an FID card and has the same effect as pepper spray or mace but at a much greater distance and for a much longer time. In addition it serves as a deterent for dogs, skunks (both 2 and 4 legged) and it's cheap. Oh and did I mention wasps and hornets also. [/quote]

Ditto on the wasp spray. I get the one that sprays 30 feet, and being in Florida makes sense anyway since I have been nailed by wasps more than once. And it would stop a dog , no doubt.

Gun store manager suggested it when I asked for the best pepper spray.

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#355374 - 10/22/10 04:27 AM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Florida REO]
OverTheEdge Offline
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Registered: 08/24/08
Posts: 1008
Loc: Middle of Ohio
Never thought of wasp spray - that is awesome. I didn't even think about different areas and which cops show up. I always get one in no less then 20 minutes. Also, if there is forced entry and the cops won't show in your area, has anyone ever gone back to the BPO company and stated property not secure - that you will not enter until it is? Now, I do this on my listings - but I don't know how a BPO company would react. The cops here walk the house for me, and after they go through, I go through and get out the 4 inch deck screws and put them through the door, window jam whatever needs secured. We have had a large number of fires in vacant homes, I always think about that when I find one unsecured - first because the house could be damaged (ok most are already damaged in a major way) but because we have had two fire fighters fall through floors while fighting fires. Two of my listings have been arsoned while under my watch - both belonged to the same small bank - I hated making that phone call.
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#355423 - 10/22/10 04:31 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: OverTheEdge]
Kristi Leak Offline
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Registered: 08/26/10
Posts: 175
Loc: US
This is true how scary some of these places are. I tried to see a house in Worcester - an hour away from Boston - and the realtor didn't want to show it to me. He just said "go on inside" but wouldn't come in himself. He was afraid of homeless people, animals or worse. I suppose there's always a certain element of risk when dealing with abandoned homes, but that risk should be financial, not risks to your wellbeing.
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#355513 - 10/23/10 08:34 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: Angie 0729]
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Posts: 20
If I am headed to a property that I feel the slightist bit hinky about I will let our front desk folks know the address. I ask them to call me at a certain time and if I don't answer they are to call the police. Thankfully we have never had to execute this plan yet.

I have on occasion called the police, told them what I needed to do and asked a patrol officer to meet me at the address. They totally understand my concern and will help me out unless there is an emergency call.

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#355528 - 10/24/10 06:55 PM Re: Please Be Careful Out There! [Re: RealtorGoneWIld]
smg Offline
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Registered: 02/16/06
Posts: 2130
Loc: United States
Originally Posted By: RealtorGoneWIld
If I am headed to a property that I feel the slightist bit hinky about I will let our front desk folks know the address. I ask them to call me at a certain time and if I don't answer they are to call the police. Thankfully we have never had to execute this plan yet.

I have on occasion called the police, told them what I needed to do and asked a patrol officer to meet me at the address. They totally understand my concern and will help me out unless there is an emergency call.

Are you in a small town? I can not imagine the police here doing that. I choose to do this for a living, I am not going to call them before hand as they certainly have more pressing business. But, if I got to a property and something was amiss, I would call. But, I would not consider calling because I am choosing to do a BPO in a rough area....

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