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#345780 - 07/29/10 10:46 AM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ech0es]
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Well ech0es, I don't know if BoneFish is a QC'r but I am. Let me respond to some of the things you mentioned.
I think that is good to say that a good BPO Vendor whould have under his belt at least 100 REO listings of his own sold in the past 2-3 years, and at least 30-40 bpos done monthly for either CC, EML, etc. And a request for proof of those records would be great !! Maybe this way we can eliminate the ones that have no knowledge about a distressed market (someone said that short sales are considered as REOs ... and one would go to the extent of considering a short sale like an REO ... but never when the short sale is in a superior condition and has upgrades throughout and they want to sell it for the same price as an REO that has missing appliances, needs drywall and flooring repairs, has an overgrown yard and delapidated siding, etc.) ... And maybe some proof of how many REO bpos, distressed valuation BPOs, or Fair Market BPOs have been done constantly by that individual for the past 12-24 months. I think that this would eliminate a lot of the newbie’s who are just trying to break into the business by giving lower than average quality of work. .
I'm very amused by the fact that you mention REO listings as a requirement even though a large segment of BPO's done are not for REO purposes. Also you state 30-40 BPO's a month for companies as a requirement. So how would you suggest agents prove this? The work product is paid for by the Mill and they own that product. Do you expect the mills to be offering their competitors confirmation? Agent information is highly guarded. A mill isn't going to want to share a good agent with another company. I also hope you're not suggesting the idea of sharing reports with other companies to verify your own work history. As BPO's contain very sensitive information such as borrower information ECT. If you did share BPO's with other companies, you would be compromising a borrower’s privacy.
The other part that I do not understand is that you don't believe in letting 'newbie’s' break into the business. You were allowed to prove yourself when you were new. Why wouldn't others be allowed to have the same chance?
'And for the QC people which have just been hired and are on their first 500-1000 bpos, I say it would be good for them to take the same classes, bpo certifications and REO certifications that we are req1uired to take. And must have a Real Estate Sales or Broker's license, or even an Appraiser's license. A license that was used before and they can show proof of their real estate experience ... I don't need a WalMart door greeter QCing my work. No matter how many classes or cerifications they have if they don't hold a real estate license !! And they have never delt with real estate before on a daily basis ...'
Now, as for QC people that have just been hired. They are trained, sometimes by fire, but trained. I've been doing this for over 7 years. Some of the best QC'rs I have had the honor to work with, have not held a real estate license. Having a license is good, but it does nothing if you don't have the experience and knowledge to back it up.
I think of it as a 16 year old with a shiny new license. Just because you were able to pass the test, doesn't mean I'm handing you the keys to my BMW let alone let you teach someone else how to drive it. Sadly, some of the best drivers I've found have been the ones without licenses (Probably because they know if they get into an accident or break a law there are a lot harsher ramifications.) Funny how that works isn't it.
If I had a choice, any agent that wanted to sign up with a mill, would have to do a free start up BPO in their area to show they can give a quality BPO in a quick TAT. Based on the score of that BPO would be where you would fall with the company for your starting rating.
But thats just my own opinions...
J~
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#345787 - 07/29/10 11:13 AM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ....J~]
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I'm gonna chime in - big surprise. I was once a brand new baby agent wanting to break into the reo business. I did my first reo listing in 1998 - but I wanted more experience. I got that experience by doing BPOs and I have to say I am sure some of my work was horrid - but I am greatful to the QC people who called me and helped me figure out how to do it right. (not the crazy QC people - the ones who knew that I was messing up for real) I am gonna say that it would be awesome not to have to go up against a newbies BPO but at the same time - I was there - so as long as they learn and as long as they improve - and care about improving their work - great have at it. The only newbies I have a problem with are the ones that want it handed to them and they don't want to do the work - they don't want to learn - they see this part of the business as a pot of gold - not a profession - they are the ones that could just fall off the face of the earth and not be missed by me.
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#345818 - 07/29/10 02:07 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ....J~]
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 129
Loc: FL
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Well ech0es, I don't know if BoneFish is a QC'r but I am. Let me respond to some of the things you mentioned.
I think that is good to say that a good BPO Vendor whould have under his belt at least 100 REO listings of his own sold in the past 2-3 years, and at least 30-40 bpos done monthly for either CC, EML, etc. And a request for proof of those records would be great !! Maybe this way we can eliminate the ones that have no knowledge about a distressed market (someone said that short sales are considered as REOs ... and one would go to the extent of considering a short sale like an REO ... but never when the short sale is in a superior condition and has upgrades throughout and they want to sell it for the same price as an REO that has missing appliances, needs drywall and flooring repairs, has an overgrown yard and delapidated siding, etc.) ... And maybe some proof of how many REO bpos, distressed valuation BPOs, or Fair Market BPOs have been done constantly by that individual for the past 12-24 months. I think that this would eliminate a lot of the newbie’s who are just trying to break into the business by giving lower than average quality of work. .
I'm very amused by the fact that you mention REO listings as a requirement even though a large segment of BPO's done are not for REO purposes. Also you state 30-40 BPO's a month for companies as a requirement. So how would you suggest agents prove this? The work product is paid for by the Mill and they own that product. Do you expect the mills to be offering their competitors confirmation? Agent information is highly guarded. A mill isn't going to want to share a good agent with another company. I also hope you're not suggesting the idea of sharing reports with other companies to verify your own work history. As BPO's contain very sensitive information such as borrower information ECT. If you did share BPO's with other companies, you would be compromising a borrower’s privacy.
The other part that I do not understand is that you don't believe in letting 'newbie’s' break into the business. You were allowed to prove yourself when you were new. Why wouldn't others be allowed to have the same chance?
'And for the QC people which have just been hired and are on their first 500-1000 bpos, I say it would be good for them to take the same classes, bpo certifications and REO certifications that we are req1uired to take. And must have a Real Estate Sales or Broker's license, or even an Appraiser's license. A license that was used before and they can show proof of their real estate experience ... I don't need a WalMart door greeter QCing my work. No matter how many classes or cerifications they have if they don't hold a real estate license !! And they have never delt with real estate before on a daily basis ...'
Now, as for QC people that have just been hired. They are trained, sometimes by fire, but trained. I've been doing this for over 7 years. Some of the best QC'rs I have had the honor to work with, have not held a real estate license. Having a license is good, but it does nothing if you don't have the experience and knowledge to back it up.
I think of it as a 16 year old with a shiny new license. Just because you were able to pass the test, doesn't mean I'm handing you the keys to my BMW let alone let you teach someone else how to drive it. Sadly, some of the best drivers I've found have been the ones without licenses (Probably because they know if they get into an accident or break a law there are a lot harsher ramifications.) Funny how that works isn't it.
If I had a choice, any agent that wanted to sign up with a mill, would have to do a free start up BPO in their area to show they can give a quality BPO in a quick TAT. Based on the score of that BPO would be where you would fall with the company for your starting rating.
But thats just my own opinions...
J~ I agree with the free BPO as a start up. And I agree that a person holding a licese should have the experience and knowledge to back it up. As far as I know CC and other mills require for their vendor applicants to be licensed for a minimium of 2 years, which I completely agree with. Yes. I've been a newbie myself, but when I started doing bpos about 5 years ago, I was doing the data entry for my broker and she would review all my work and would tell me where I messed up and why my comps were wrong and helped me every step of the way until she felt confident enough to let me do them on my own without her having to review my work. REO experience should be required especially because we have to list repairs on most of the bpo forms and explain if the property qualifies for all types of financing as-is or not. Most agents that have only 2 years real estate experience but never had to get bids for repairs on properties would have no idea of how much things cost at an average or would have no idea in general if the house would qualify or not for FHA or VA as-is. In the past 2-3 years I can't even tell you the amount of FHA or VA financed offers that I got on an REO property that did not qualify for these types of financing and the buyer's agent had no idea that repairs will be required by the buyer's lender on a FHA 203B loan or a VA loan. Let's not talk about the fact that most have no idea what an FHA 203K loan means.
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#345819 - 07/29/10 02:13 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ech0es]
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Registered: 07/12/08
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Loc: California
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echOes
FHA 203k.....needs work and repairs can be financed
Question:
Do you know what a FHA 245 loan is?.......just curious.
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#345824 - 07/29/10 02:35 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: CandyMan]
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Registered: 06/30/09
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Loc: Margaritaville
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CandyMan, you are probably responsible for an uptick in google with that question. I have not seen one of these in a LONG time.
Our Closing co-ordinator who was a former title closer said she only did one in about 10 years.
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#345825 - 07/29/10 02:41 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: Grampa]
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Registered: 07/12/08
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Loc: California
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ROTF........I've done a ton of them....I guess this dates me.....I have more I can post..lol...FHA/VA loan......down payment percentage?
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#345841 - 07/29/10 03:20 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: CandyMan]
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 129
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LOL CandyMan ... you got me wih that one  Grampa: you were right !! I had to Google for FHA 245 and got to an FHA 245(a) section about Growing Equity Mortgages for limited income people  CandyMan: how did I do ? :P
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#345845 - 07/29/10 03:30 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: CandyMan]
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echOes
FHA 203k.....needs work and repairs can be financed
Question:
Do you know what a FHA 245 loan is?.......just curious. FHA 203k doesn't mean that the house needs work necessarily ... It just means that in case the house needs work and the buyer qualifies for the higher amount then they could just do an HA 203K, do the repairs needed to pass FHA quidelines and on top of that ... they could also rehab whatever they want in and outside the improvement up to the loan amount limit that they are financed for and are willing to finance 
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#345862 - 07/29/10 05:10 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ech0es]
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Registered: 07/12/08
Posts: 2480
Loc: California
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How many appraisals are required?
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#345863 - 07/29/10 05:11 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ech0es]
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Correction: almost everything can be upgraded with an FHA 203K loan ... nothing structural No spa or pool, for starters
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#345864 - 07/29/10 05:13 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: ech0es]
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Registered: 07/12/08
Posts: 2480
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LOL CandyMan ... you got me wih that one  Grampa: you were right !! I had to Google for FHA 245 and got to an FHA 245(a) section about Growing Equity Mortgages for limited income people  CandyMan: how did I do ? :P How much did the payment graduate yearly and for how many years?
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#345872 - 07/29/10 07:00 PM
Re: Stupid QC comments and BPO requirements.
[Re: CandyMan]
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2 appraisals at least. 1 as-is and 1 as-repaired or per specs and plans.
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