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#221559 - 04/22/08 05:56 AM EARTH DAY...where were the builders?
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This has to be the most publicized Earth Day ever. Everyone is on the band wagon. In fact, Earth Day may be right up there with Presidents Day when it comes to sales bulletins, a very strong sign that Earth Day has come of age. I eagerly awaited the announcements from the builder corporate offices to see how they would celebrate. I must admit I was a little disappointed that all I could find was a statement from their trade association that today's homes are more energy efficient than ever (yes, that is true) and that people should look for ways to conserve energy. That is not new news. We already know that. Frankly, I had hoped for some major announcement of some sort...maybe that major home builders are all switching to some new building material...that kind of thing. Oh, well--enjoy Earth Day, everyone.

Added after original post: In all fairness to the builders, I can't say I uncovered every stone in my search and will make an effort to find out exactly what the big builders did for the event. I guess my complaint is that they did not make enough noise about Earth Day. I will follow up to this post in the coming days as I visit each builder's site to discover their "green" efforts...and I will hopefully be pleasantly surprised. In fact, I should invite them on here to post what their company is doing. We all need that information.

Darlene


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#221869 - 04/23/08 01:37 AM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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Google changed their logo yesterday an earthy one as a participation with Earth Day.

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#222425 - 04/24/08 08:43 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Adier]
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^^and what is Google doing outside of cyberspace...

I noticed that TV stations and other companies are jumping on the "green" bandwagon, and I have to wonder what they're actually DOING besides MARKETING.

When I think of the house that Al Gore lives in (Compared to Pres. Bush's ranch) it makes me ill that so many people have looked up to him as an example, a trailblazer, etc. He's nothing but a hypocrite talking the talk that's popular or politically correct.

I'm all for conservation, all for caring for the environment, all for being responsible. But please. let's not exploit it to make ourselves look like something we're not....

***just a rant, sorry***

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#223406 - 04/29/08 01:24 AM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Perk, I finally adjusted to the new Vista computer I bought last month and now LOVE, but I can't say the same for the 2007 Office Suite. It is just too, too different...so it will take me a while. PowerPoint, however, is fantastic. So, that's my excuse for taking so long to answer your post.

I am going to stay neutral as far as the political scene is concerned...hard to do but I'll try just to moderate. In all fairness to Gore, I do think these politicians and activists have huge staff and home office needs. As for the President, I had no idea he had made such a contribution. I don't know if you read the same article I did, but the way they dealt with working to solve some of the problems was very impressive. I'll stop patting myself on the back for buying plastic bottled water now. Seriously, it must have cost an unbelievable amount of money to accomplish what they did. I guess the area around Crawford appreciated his pumping the money into the community, also...the part that he was able to get done there, anyway. I would like to see more of the Hollywood crowd take those type steps when they build their mansions...instead of just gold plating everything. It's the difference between doing something to help the environment and talking about doing something to help the environment. I hope everyone can read up on the construction of Bush's ranch and especially the way they handle the water. And thanks for bringing it up. I really had no idea. I just thought he had a very nice ranch. Who knew? He obviously doesn't boast about it.

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#223420 - 04/29/08 07:06 AM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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As for the President, I had no idea he had made such a contribution.


That's what upsets me - is that the media doesn't let people know about it. Al Gore is the Poster Boy of the Green Movement, I suppose, and yet, his lifestyle is the antithesis of what he preaches.

I'm not speaking about this as a Republican vs. Democrat (I have no party, I dont' like any of them, I think they're all exactly like Al Gore - liars and hypocrites and the media just feeds into the lies over and over an d over). I'm not a political person, really.

I just think it's pretty unfair that the world sees G.W. Bush as a loose cannon cowboy ready to rape the earth and yet...who's got the more earth friendly home? Who is living responsibly? And yet...who does the media love?

The unfairness, the bias - the BULL$#&% - that's what gets me upset.

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He obviously doesn't boast about it.


No, he doesn't. He doesn't seem like a puffed up boastful man, does he? Do I agree with everything he's done? No. I don't. Do I think he's the greatest President ever? No, I don't (IMHO the greatest president was Grover Cleveland but I think I'm in the minority there, ha ha). But I also don't think he's the monster that the media has made him out to be.

Interestingly enough, I sent the same Snopes story to people in my life who love, love, love Al Gore and are so worried about Global Warming, and how awful "W" is...and you know what? NOBODY responded. All I sent was the link and a blurb about how "interesting" it was. Not a single comment.

Inconvenient Truth - indeed.

\:\(

Makes me sick. I don't think Al Gore cares about anything but HIS OWN POLITICAL environment. If he did really care about the global warming crisis, I think he'd take serious steps to tone down his extravegant lifestyle. He's in the prime position to set an awesome example.

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#223519 - 04/29/08 11:55 AM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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We can certainly use our positions as Realtors to help carry the message to builders that there are buyers who would prefer smaller, more environmentally friendly homes. Right now, in my area, there are few to choose from. I know these builders did not decide out of the blue to build the larger homes...they did a lot of research first. And until this recent downturn, these homes were selling down here. So maybe we have to wait for the homebuyers to make the decision to turn back to the smaller homes. That just may happen as the report cards on these latest subdivisions come due in a few years.

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#223719 - 04/30/08 07:30 AM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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 Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
^^and what is Google doing outside of cyberspace...

I noticed that TV stations and other companies are jumping on the "green" bandwagon, and I have to wonder what they're actually DOING besides MARKETING.

When I think of the house that Al Gore lives in (Compared to Pres. Bush's ranch) it makes me ill that so many people have looked up to him as an example, a trailblazer, etc. He's nothing but a hypocrite talking the talk that's popular or politically correct.

I'm all for conservation, all for caring for the environment, all for being responsible. But please. let's not exploit it to make ourselves look like something we're not....

***just a rant, sorry***
You've got a point their but isn't that a good move by Google through that they can inform millions of people using their services what that day meant.

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#225335 - 05/08/08 01:35 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Adier]
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Earth Day has been a biggie in the schools for a long time now, so maybe the kids are growing up "greener" then their parents. It's coming, that's for sure. In fact, since Earth Day, I see the word "green" on everything but oranges.

Adler, you have a great web site. It's so easy to move around in. I love that the default locator map is the satellite map. I checked out a few listings to see if they had trees...yep, all nice treed lots. This is winter for you folks, right?

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#269988 - 01/18/09 12:42 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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I realise this post is older-- but I just came across it and loved the discussion and wanted to give my opinion on the matter.

I get incredibly frustrated when I see much of the "green" advertising and propaganda out there. There are soo many companies/politicians/people who are more interested in selling their image than actually caring about the future of the planet or humanity.

I wish we would move beyond the "green" revolution to look at sustainability. It is far more important for a product or service to be sustainable than "green". Sustainable means looking to where the products came from, who/what they affected and how they will continue to affect in the future. It's far more comprehensive than slapping a simple "green" label on things.

One example I can think of is the switch to "eco-friendly" lightbulbs. These new energy efficient lightbulbs may use less energy than previous ones, but they are also full of harmful chemcicals that are incredibly hazardous to the environment that previous lightbulbs did not have.

I also see products being advertised as "green" and jumping on the bandwagon claiming that they are becoming less wasteful in their products-- yet they use three sets of plastic wrappings or cardboard to package them. They change one small aspect of their product so they can slap a green label on it and make more profit for themselves.
Caveat Emptor (buyer beware!).

Also, you have to think about where the metals/minerals/resources come from that make all these products... If they are mined by children/slaves (as several of the resources we use are) or fuel war in another part of the world-- then being "green" is just one small aspect of the problem. Everyone jumped on the conflict diamond train after the movie Blood Diamond, but didn't bother to stop and think where the cobalt/coltan in their cellphones/laptops/electronic equipment came from; or the other minerals/metals came from that they use everyday (such as copper, tin, gold, etc.).
It frustrates me when people jump on one band wagon, but ignore other important aspects of the system.

sorry... I do like to rant as well!

(if you want to know more about resource wars or how our products are affecting the rest of the world-- I write a blog dealing with these issues at http://apeaceofconflict.wordpress.com)

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#269991 - 01/18/09 01:51 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: RC21]
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Thanks for bringing up this important issue and for your feedback.

Readers can search "green VS sustainability" and read about the complex issues of sustainability, which involves environmental, economic and social issues. Green & Eco have become catch-all words that the general public (including myself) uses, but the US Green Building Council can explain in more depth some of the issues involved in sustainability.

Folks, RC21 is looking at the big picture. If we don't look at that, we may not be accomplishing near as much as we think we are for future generations...and those future generations are sitting at your dinner table right now wanting more mac and cheese.

Regarding the bulb example, I wonder if people are buying the bulbs so they don't have to replace them as often in difficult situations...where they may need a ladder. My mother is 94 and she buys them. She also takes her old phone books and newspapers and magazines to the nearby recycle bin...just a few city dumpsters where you pull up and toss the stuff in.

An elementary understanding of marketing in this country should prepare everyone to be on the lookout for these companies grasping at straws to enter the green movement. Problem is, nobody can slow down long enough to think about those things. They have to work overtime and raise their kids and pay their bills and more. So a lot of time they have to depend on what the manufacturers tell them. Also, some issues of manufacturing building products may require some extensive research to determine who is offending. This is an area the US Green Building Council may be able to help us with.

Around Earth Day this year, it will all happen again. Hopefully we will finally wake up and look at the very enormous picture and realize that there is no simple answer.

RC21, a strong opinion backed by good information is definitely not a rant. It's an attempt to help education the reader of the post on the seriousness of the issue...and it is getting more serious every day.

I have been noticably absent from this forum since Hurricane Ike. Finally I am now settled in my cute little travel trailer. I was very excited about downsizing and moving into my trailer until I realized how much electricity it was going to take to heat and cool it. Right now, I have not turned on the furnace and hopefully won't until I have a chance to redo the insulation in the walls. I am using lots and lots of blankets and still freezing. But I am determined not to run up a big heating bill and hen brag about the small footprint my trailer makes. It isn't much, but it's all I can offer right now toward the environment. If I had four kids, I doubt I could turn off the heat...so everyone's situation is different.

Keep posting - Earth Day is coming.

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#270171 - 01/19/09 04:03 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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Oh my! I hope you didn't have any damage during the storm and that your new trailer serves you well! My tips for the cold: seal all the doorways, get heavy drapes and wear layers; long underwear is a great invention! smile

"My mother is 94 and she buys them. She also takes her old phone books and newspapers and magazines to the nearby recycle bin...just a few city dumpsters where you pull up and toss the stuff in."

Is there a recycling program in most of the States? In Ontario we have recycling for almost everything, as well as a garbage truck that has a separate hopper for food and yard waste that goes to be composted (called our "green" bin). It's collected in most areas weekly. I don't know what systems you use there...

Sustainable living doesn't have to mean drastic change in your life, but it does take a little bit of effort. Cut down one little thing at a time. It's very hard to make complete changes, but it's about thinking more seriously about how we are each affecting the world.

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#270328 - 01/20/09 01:53 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: RC21]
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Almost all cities have some type recycling. One small town that has been circled by Houston has three different bins that homeowners put in front of their homes...glass, plastic, garbage...something like that. My city, adjacent to Houston, has big trash bins where you take your paper and plastic. It's just a corner lot with big green bins. I have not been to the city dump in years, so they may have something there that allows homeowners to separate their trash if they want to haul their own to the dump. But mandatory? NO, not where I live. I cring at the plastic bottles that go in the dump. In fact, that is on my 2009 resolution list...to do a better job of pulling those out of the trash.

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#270344 - 01/20/09 03:25 PM Re: EARTH DAY...where were the builders? [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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Interesting. We put out all our recycling into one bin, some areas must separate cardboard and paper, but most not.
We have the garbage, green bin and recycling bin- so three all together. The green bin is the latest, slowly coming out over the past few years, with some areas just getting it. We've had the recycling collection for several years now.
At least you have places to take them-- it just seems like a lot of extra work. I was reluctant about the green bins at first but because they take meat, oils, etc... I now find I have almost zero garbage. I do have concerns with the amount of gas, etc. that is needed to go around and collect them, and the amount of energy that is required to actually recycle, but it's definitely better than being in a landfill forever I guess.

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#283475 - 03/27/09 03:50 AM Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out
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Go to www.earthhour.org. First year was 2007, when about 2.2 million folks in Sydney switched off their lights for an hour, then 2008 saw 50 million switching off their lights. This year the goal is one billion. I think there are only about 8 billion people in the world, so a figure of one billion people being aware of Earth Hour is rather impressive.

Earth Hour is not some small gesture. When the lights go out in the Sydney Opera House and the Golden Gate Bridge...and in 74 countries around the world...it's an environmental statement that can't be overlooked. I am wondering how much more energy efficent the builder homes constructed in the last five years would be if they were constructed in the next five years.


Edited by Darlene B (03/27/09 03:52 AM)
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#283588 - 03/27/09 11:00 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: Darlene Bitner]
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Thanks for reminding us. I will turn my lights out, definitely! But can I leave my TV on? wink

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#283668 - 03/28/09 12:42 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: TB in TX]
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I think Earth Hour is a bunch of baloney - as is Global Warming . . . We may turn on every light we pay for the use of, if we think about it. (Yes, I do go rabid on the Global Warming subject.)
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#283676 - 03/28/09 01:33 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: SellsMdHomes]
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Originally Posted By: SellsMdHomes
What an idiotic statement to make Barb,It is real comforting that there are still some real people out there that just walk thru life in the dark....careful bumping into the walls
And Im sure you wish Bush coulda been re-elected for another 4 years........I hope youre children saw past their mothers views and are more open minded. PEACE


No need to insult someone just because their views are different from yours. That's what makes life interesting. Barb is a respected member of this group and is entitled to her opinion just like anyone else.

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#283703 - 03/28/09 05:56 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: FL_Agent]
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Thanks, FL Agent! If you had asked "why" I feel this way, SellsMdHomes, I would have taken it to pm and explained. You don't have to agree with me. wink
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#283820 - 03/29/09 12:17 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: barb43]
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"I think Earth Hour is a bunch of baloney - as is Global Warming"

I don't think the global warming debate is as important as cleaning up our environment and conserve and utilize our natural resources with less waste.

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#283835 - 03/29/09 01:57 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: Pikes Peak]
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Well, I turned on 22 lights, 5 tvs, the dishwasher, the washing machine, and since we were both doing BPOs we had 2 computers up 'n running. It was almost impossible to leave those lights on for an hour -- I'm the one who's always saying, "If you're not going to be in there, please turn off the light & the tv!" to the rest of the family & son's friends who are hanging around.

Totally agree with you, Pikes Peak -- we reuse, use up, use less, and recycle everything we can around here.

I am looking forward to finding some kind of a re-cap of the exercise to see how successful it was judged to be.
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#283842 - 03/29/09 02:46 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: barb43]
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If I had been home at the time Barb I would have been right there with you. We were at a friend's house in downtown San Jose CA where it did not appear that the nightlife or the lights of downtown was affected at all by "Earth Hour" I'm pretty sure we drove right by San Jose City hall during that hour with their lights a blazin.
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#284374 - 03/31/09 10:17 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: LaceyF]
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I have to say, I have my doubts about the effectiveness of Earth Hour. It is clearly more of a symbolic gesture as the overall savings for the hour are minimal at best (not to mention the carbon released in burning of candles and many other factors). It prime goal is not to reduce the impact from one day as people seem to think. It is to bring awareness.

While I think it is important to bring awareness to global environmental issues, I have my doubts about a campaign where people will overconsume prior and preceeding it. If it is encouraging people to go out and purchase gimmicky darkness novelties or adding extra waste through its promotion and marketing, it can hardly be called a success. I like the idea though, and hope that people will see past the campaign to the real point: As humans we are wasteful, and that needs to change.

I think that separating environmental issues from the global warming issue is important if you want to get people on board. People can try to deny global warming all they want, but if you can show them the savings or other sensibilities, I think we will have more success. If we continue wasting in the manner we are, we will have no planet left-- not because of global warming, but because of resource wars and environmental devastation that will make our planet toxic to us. Our current consumption levels are disgusting and incredibly damaging to the rest of the world. They are causing wars and death all over the place, all so we can live in luxury. That's ridiculous in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with global warming or even environmental issues. It's all related. We are wasteful all over the place.

Think of your parent's and grandparent's way of life. Did they save the things they used? Did they use them wisely? How much do you throw out that is perfectly useful? How much stuff do you have that you never even use? Energy and electricity are just one of the ways we waste.

I find it unfortunate that some people think that it would be comical or even advantageous to turn on extra lights and appliances as a form of protest. What did you accomplish by doing this? Who even noticed? What was the point? I just don't get it.

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#284390 - 03/31/09 11:08 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: RC21]
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What did you accomplish by doing this? Who even noticed? What was the point? I just don't get it.


That's funny- I was thinking the same thing about all the people who sat in the dark for an hour.
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#284397 - 04/01/09 12:02 AM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: LaceyF]
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While I've already stated my opinions above on what I think the point was, and what it really accomplishes; it definitely was noticed worldwide.

Perhaps it wasn't as big in the US as elsewhere (which can be expected), but there were at least 100,000 Canadians signed up online alone to participate and millions more expected and polled to be participating in Canada. And I read something in the realm of 58% of adult Austrailians participated... Worldwide, hundreds of millions of people participated. I'd say quite a few people noticed.

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#284466 - 04/01/09 12:00 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: barb43]
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Originally Posted By: barb43
Thanks, FL Agent! If you had asked "why" I feel this way, SellsMdHomes, I would have taken it to pm and explained. You don't have to agree with me. wink


SellsMDHomes post was removed for personal attack.

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#284468 - 04/01/09 12:10 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: barb43]
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Originally Posted By: barb43

I am looking forward to finding some kind of a re-cap of the exercise to see how successful it was judged to be.


Here is an interesting POV on it:

http://skepticssa.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/earth-hour-stupidity/

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#284534 - 04/01/09 11:22 PM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Thanks, Perky! That's a good link.

Really got a kick out of the square wheel on that tricycle.
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#284550 - 04/02/09 03:56 AM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: barb43]
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What's interesting about it is that the author is not a right-wing GW Bush loving "dolt" - as many people like to categorize people who are not on board with the Earth Hour thing. It's a person who is very much concerned about climate change/global warming, and I'll bet he's even a democrat to boot. wink

I saw other blogs that had charts showing that there was no change in energy used, no change whatsoever, in California during Earth Hour.

I liken Earth Hour to those "Gas Outs" people want you to participate in to "drive gas prices down." The executives sit back and laugh, knowing full well that sooner or later the gas is going to be purchased, whether it's tomorrow or the day after, makes no difference - we're going to use it, so a single day "Gas Out" is really pointless.

I already do what I can to conserve energy and reduce waste - I don't need some goofy "Earth Hour" to raise my awareness of it. :p

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#284573 - 04/02/09 10:43 AM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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It's interesting how you bring up the categorization of the issue according to political belief (republican vs. democrat). So true. That so often seems the case, or it is portrayed that way in the media.
The opposite seems to be true as well. People assume that if you care about environmental issues that you must be some hard-core tree-hugging leftist (democrat or liberal).
I don't see it that way personally. I find people assume my politics based on the fact that I write a lot about sustainability or environmental issues. Most of them couldn't be further from reality as my politics are entirely independent of my environmental beliefs. People also automatically assume I will be on board for any "eco" project they have, and this is just not true. I see a lot of flaws in many of these projects. If it makes no sense or isn't efficient-- I will not endorse it just because it has an "eco" or "green" label on it. I think that Earth Hour may have actually caused more pollution than it saved overall-- which is definitely a negative. But I like the idea of getting awareness out and starting a dialogue on the subject, which it definitely has done.
I really hate how it has solidified this way in the last couple of years. Just because you see flaws in one system or the benefits of another does not automatically categorize your politics or assume that you are on board for everything else in the categorization. Thanks for bringing that up Perky. An important point.

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#284574 - 04/02/09 10:54 AM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: RC21]
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[quote=RC21] Just because you see flaws in one system or the benefits of another does not automatically categorize your politics or assume that you are on board for everything else in the categorization. Thanks for bringing that up Perky. An important point.
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I agree, people may agree or disagree on individual issues, but have many of the same philosophies.

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#286453 - 04/17/09 02:13 AM Re: Earth Hour Saturday, March 28, from 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM - Lights out [Re: BillJames]
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As RC21 stated, Earth Hour was symbolic. It is just another way of drawing attention to our environment's problems and showing support for working toward a solution. Earth Day...that is another matter altogether. Earth Day has made a major impact on spreading the word. I'm expecting next week to have a lot of Earth Day activity in the retail segment, similar to President's Day or Labor Day...that kind of thing. We should take all the help we can get to spread the word.

Regarding politics...RC21 again stated the logical...wanting to save Mother Earth doesn't give away your political party or lack of one. Saving Mother Earth is supported by people in all parties...you can see them coming together more and more. Which reminds me...we need a political analyst on here to keep up with legislation.

One more point...some of those jumping on the Eco bandwagon to benefit their pocketbooks may include some of our own, taking the "quickie" Eco courses and calling themselves fancy titles meaning "environmentally friendly real estate agents" when they truly have no personal habits that reflect that attitude. I hope this group is very, very small.

I guess it's safe to say that tons of things have been going on in the background to help the environment while Americans have been watching reality shows and visiting Vegas. It's going to take some noise to convert everyone. I'm happy this group cares enough to come onto this forum and post.

Today I met a young man who has decided to turn his love for organic gardening into a livlihood...with his in-laws supporting his decision. He won't be rich, but the compost he makes is very rich. He said he was actively looking for an "old hippy" to help him learn more about community gardening. I'll bet there is an old hippy out there who never thought his talents would be appreciated this late in life. This young man is a product of his school taking Earth Day and running with it. The next generation will be brought up being taught to respect the environment. So things will continue to get better.


Edited by Darlene B (04/17/09 02:35 AM)

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#286463 - 04/17/09 05:04 AM EARTH DAY - April 22, 2009
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This Earth Day rolled around a little too quickly for me...where did the year go, anyway? I'll be looking for the Astros's green caps again this year, assuming they play on the 22nd.

Hopefully this Earth Day will bring more education and awareness. I can't wait to see what the big corporations have to offer this Earth Day.

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#345274 - 07/25/10 03:27 AM EARTH DAY - ARBOR DAY - EARTH HOUR POSTS GO HERE
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Let's consolidate our Earth Day and similar posts in this thread.

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