Why would anyone trust any sales person named Hoss? The name Hoss just breathes used car salesman tactics.

Dont you get "coaching" from the brokerage you work for? I dont understand the concept of paying someone money to go learn something you should be getting from your brokerage.

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I don't understand why this thread is allowed to continue.

I think there are alot more factors at play in real estate and trying to win over a potential client, be it buyer or seller, than there are in someone coaching you to be a great golfer or basketball player. In sports, you've got to have the natural "knack" to begin with in physical skills and ability to strengthen those skills (physically and mentally) to win, otherwise everyone would be a great sports player if they were just coached.

Recently a KW agent came to town regarding how to Crush Short Sales or Be Crushed. I challenged him on it to begin with as far as was he legit? Seems if it was a legit thing, my realtors' association would have sponsored it. He sponsored himself. There weren't any handouts, no "scripts" nothing. Whether his "class" was worthwhile or not, I didn't attend (and pay in advance via internet via charge card) the $79 fee to attend. As far as I was concerned, it looked like a scam and I called the convention center to see if it was an actual person. But, I will agree that KW comes up with all kinds of ways to get your attention and your money.

Everyone's out to sell everyone something. I've been in this business for 9 years and discovered the first year - everybody's trying to sell you something. I agree, if someone is doing sooo well in real estate - why aren't they still doing it? Most upsetting is when someone says they did 365 transactions last year - and then you find out they have a team of 20 who did 20 million in transactions which averages to $1m for each agent - no biggie there - just be honest saying it's a team instead of advertising how "I' did 20 million in transactions last year. Some people who have been quoted or interviewed or testified about a program or coach - I search out their name on the internet first to see if they are an agent and then I email them. Out of probably 6 emails, only 1 person ever responded. If you're on the other side of the U.S. and I'm not threat to you business-wise and what you're "advertising" is really such a wonderful thing - why wouldn't one respond back? I guess they're too busy with all the new business they have, eh?

Even "know it alls" need to be reminded, held accountable and guided so that they may grow, and once and a while they learn something new even though they think they are the best and know everything there is to know.

Remember, there is always room to grow and things to learn. Taking a step back to sharpen the axe is better than banging your head against the tree.

This could be a matter of semantics, but being pegged a "know it all" is not really a compliment.

Many of the "know it alls" that I know (and probably others can attest to this about their circle of k-i-a's too) don't really "know it all" but they sure know how to be rude, inconsiderate, arrogant butt heads.

In fact, there is a huge divide between being a knowledgeable person and a know-it-all. The know-it-all's divide is usually filled up with ego, bluster, and B.S.

The knowledgeable person doesn't need ego, arrogance, and rudeness to share their knowledge.

I agree. Some "know-it-alls" only know what they know . . . . and think that's all there is.

They have to be forgiven because they don't know "what they don't know" . . . . they don't even know that it exists.

I know a little bit about what I don't know, and that helps me in the knowledge that I don't know it all . . . . just "some" of what I could know . . . . and maybe should know; but right now don't know (and don't care).

Have you ever noticed how difficult it is to talk about that which you don't know? I've tried but it's almost impossible; and I sensed that nobody was listening because they knew that I didn't know ! Voilà !

Back to the top !!!

I have read all of the threads on this topic and find it despicable. Why is it that humanity has to be so vile and horrible to others is beyond my comprehension. I do not know of or have ever used Hoss Pratt's material. I came on here to find out more about it. Not one thread that I have seen actually breaks his system down and actually discusses why something is either good or not. All I have seen here is personal attacks on his character with no true basis. The sad part is that if you attack Hoss in this way then everyone who has done the negative attacks must like to have their own name and reputations also dragged through the mud. It is so easy for a lie to go half way around the world before it even has a chance to put it's pants on, but the truth won't get past five people at best. Credibility is what is at stake and none of what I read has it. I also find it very cowardly to have continued your filth here after Pratt released his number to call him. He gave each an opportunity to discuss this with him personally and yet the choice was to continue in this cowardly fashion where you cannot be held accountable for the crap that is posted. Places like this are suppose to be for helpful information to all who visit. Instead in this instance it looks like nothing more then Talbot trash at best.
For all of those people who do not believe in coaching, you should try and sell that to all the athletes out there. What money could be saved and how much less they would need to get paid. The NFL would not need all the coaches including the head coach or the individual trainers for the athletes. The MLB would not need any of that either, nor the manager who heads the whole team. In boxing the champ or even a fighter would not need all the different coaches he has to become a better fighter. In the NBA, MLS, NHL and the rest, same applies. In business people like Warren Buffet don't really need people like Charlie Munger and vice versa. Just think of all the successful people in every industry. They all have mentors, coaches and advisors but according to some on this thread it was just a waste. All the successful people could have done it without their coaches, mentors, and advisors according to some on this thread. The reason why there are coaches is to enable ourselves to see a better picture. I can say for myself that the only person I cannot see is me. For those of you who feel that no coach is needed, I would like to hear from you on how you are able to see yourself as a third party prospective and get around all the mistakes that are made?
Last I feel I must put in this disclaimer; I am in no way endorsing or recommending Hoss Pratt's system. I am not affiliated in any way to Hoss Pratt. I do not know him or ever met or talked with him. I have not used his system nor have any first hand knowledge of it or have I ever purchased his system.

You do not need a coach or a mentor or a sugar daddy or a sugar mommy. Just work hard for your clients and make an effort each day to find some new clients. It's really that simple. To pay some jerk who washed out of his profession to tell you to work hard is ludicrous. Spend the money on marketing, not on silliness. Stop complicating a simple issue. Most successful people do NOT pay anyone to be their personal cheerleader. Neither should you. Most people do not pay anyone to give them motivation. It comes from within, not from without.

Time for me to go to the gym and push some weights before an afternoon listing appointment. I do not have to pay anyone $100 today to tell me to be motivated. I woke up that way. If you did not, the problem cannot be solved by writing another human being a check to "rah rah" you into being something that you are not. You need to supply your own motivation. It cannot be bought.

Throw away the pom-poms and just get to work.

Our Local Board provides an environment where we act in a civil manner with one another, and realize that we have somethings in common. It only lasts for the length of a meeting; then it's back to the normal competitive cut-throat back-biting that we've come to love and enjoy. At least we know what one-another looks like.

back on topic :-)
Hoss Pratt and as an extention Todd Bates And Kinderreese programs all work..really well..

if you do what they told you to do...
its no magic pill...
and its absoulute crucial to get a mentor, traininer or coach
IF you want to succeeed at a high level..
but if you ok with doing 4-6 deals and being average..thats ok..
if thats what you want..then just figure it all out...on your own..
or run around asking other low-no producing agents..
the blind leading the naked...lol
like i should pal around with my local board and local agents..the same agents who aint producing..
who know nothing about scripts, presentations, killer direct response marketing..?

It is NOT crucial or critical to use mentoring, coaching, or "trainers" to achieve the highest levels of success in real estate. The vast majority of the top agents do not use coaching or any other such nonsense.

Wasting money on this silliness is fine, it won't hurt you. And a FEW top agents do use it. But it is NOT ncecessary, and most of the best agents are just smart people who work hard and take care of business in a creative and dynamic way.

It is important for the rookies to know that they do not have to pay for this type of service at all, and they can aspire to the top without it, and 90% of the top agents in the country do not use any of it.

It's an option, but it is definitely NOT NOT NOT required, so most of you rookies should just save your money for more important things. Like taking REAL courses in architecture, appraisal, home inspection, mortgage financing, real estate law, and all the other ancillary disciplines. The important thing is to become a knowledge powerhouse. That's the real key to getting to the top. Not paying some loser to be your "accountability partner", whatever the heck that means...

It is NOT crucial or critical to use mentoring, coaching, or "trainers" to achieve the highest levels of success in real estate. The vast majority of the top agents do not use coaching or any other such nonsense.

Wasting money on this silliness is fine, it won't hurt you. And a FEW top agents do use it. But it is NOT ncecessary, and most of the best agents are just smart people who work hard and take care of business in a creative and dynamic way.

It is important for the rookies to know that they do not have to pay for this type of service at all, and they can aspire to the top without it, and 90% of the top agents in the country do not use any of it.

It's an option, but it is definitely NOT NOT NOT required, so most of you rookies should just save your money for more important things. Like taking REAL courses in architecture, appraisal, home inspection, mortgage financing, real estate law, and all the other ancillary disciplines. The important thing is to become a knowledge powerhouse. That's the real key to getting to the top. Not paying some loser to be your "accountability partner", whatever the heck that means...

By the way, why are you wasting time on Agents Online spewing Kool Aid when you are supposed to be dialing for dollars? What would Mike Ferry say? And by the way, it is not necessary to write 6 separate diatribes every time I post something.

Shorten it up and make your point. I could take all 6 of your posts and reduce them to about 5 sentences. It's about quality, not quantity...

Damn Lindenmoe, Navarac hasn't made a peep in here for a couple of weeks, you dig up an old post and make six responses to it. Are you getting some kind of commission from Mike Ferry sign ups? Look up Russell Shaw on line. He does 300+ deals a year and doesn't have a coach or do anything remotely like cold calling. One of the top agents in Atlanta for years did 10-12 transactions a year for over 50 million on her side of the transactions. She was married to the head of a local hospital. The number of transactions don't mean s#!t, its how much you make.

Once again, do whatever the eff you want but stop acting like it's a magic pill. Google Mike Ferry scams and you will see the mobs of agents who couldn't make cold calling work and had to fight the collection companies when they tried to cancel coaching.

Nonsense, your information is wrong. Very few top agents use coaching or masterminding or any of this gobbledygook. You're throwing names around like horseshoes, but it's anecdotal garbage and I suspect you know that but feel you have to defend it because you personally believe it.

It's NOT about lead generation, it never was, and it never will be. It's about competence and creativity and excellence and knowledge and experience. The customers flock to agents like that, not to hustlers who jockey dopey scripts from 2-bit losers such as Proctor, Ferry, and all the rest.

Any agent you threw on your list is successful in spite of their Mike Ferry training, not because of it. And agents like this would have been successful anyway because they happen to be talented.

Hey Lindenmoe, I admire your passion. You've convinced me to give Proctor a try. I was teetering, but I'll give it a shot. Thanks

I think it's interesting how users from out of nowhere join this forum strictly to comment on (or create) these kinds of posts.

Now if you are going to stick around and become a valued member of the community by commenting and sharing, maybe your comments on this post will carry more weight.

But I'll bet we'll never hear from BartSellsHouses again beyond maybe a couple more comments if that.. Prove me wrong.

Perky_Realtor - You were right! I'm reading this baby from the beginning.

Did my 9am to 11:50am doors this morning.

Knocked on a guys door "Good morning it's Hunter form
Royal lepage Real Estate just dropping by to see if you
had any plans of a move". The guy fumbles and says no but
I could feel he was moving. So instead of then doing Mike
and saying "how long have you lived here?"...... and developed
a conversation as per Mike's plan and probed him in a gentle
manor I started to talk about his front porch which lead me
nowhere.

How long have you lived here?
Why did you chose this are?
If you were to move were would you move to and when would that
be.

Trying to wing it can be a big mistake.

Interesting to hear that arrogant Navareck is a newbie.

That guy is not Navarac. That person uses a Canon camera with only a 16mm lens. And has a really putrid website, to boot.

I highly doubt Navarac uses anything tighter than 10mm, and he uses a Nikon. I'll bet his website is slick as all get out. I'd love to see it and love to see his pictures.

Unless he is just PRETENDING to use a Nikon and tells us that to throw us off.

Nice try, though, Mr. Columbo. ;0)

Perky,

How do you know which marc, im talking about..lol..;-)
well you might cause that is a godawful website..
but he uses the exact phrases and terms as the almighty one..on trulia voices..
that quick wit, exact phrases..air of superiority..i though was unmistakable..lol
And please do not insult the mighty Navarac,
or risk insulting the real estate gods..
Navarac, doesnt need any websites!!
thats for us mere mortal realtors..
havent you heard the legend..
all his clients just hear how great he is..and the good job he does..and the wonder
of his secret ninja marketing..
and they just flock in droves..and beg him to do business..
legend also has it..
he taught himself to tie his own shoes,
when he was one month old..
and taught himself 5 different languages by the time he was 2 months old..
The mighty Navarac, never has to blog, advertise, prospect, mail or anything...
the clients just hear how great and wonderful..then they just come running..
while the idiot realtors like me must do lead generation,and or prospect for business
or ask for help..from others.or hire a coach or trainer..to help us become better..
just joking of course...:-)
Navarac, we both here in NJ,..can I PAY YOU..to reveal
the ways of the JEDI..
I dont want to actually, prospect, do lead generation, advertise
for new business everyday..I just want to do a good job for my clients..
then sip pina coladas at the jersey shore..while all the buyers and sellers
come to me...lol ;-)

I dunno....I am skeptical. I'd have thunk you were right if the guy used a Nikon, plus his pictures aren't that great. I expect navarac's pics to be awesome. Not that my pics are awesome but I digress.

The guy I think you mean says he is an appraiser, I think I'm pretty certain I know who you mean, and honestly I hope he isn't Navarac...would really deflate my imaginations of him. ;0)

I need some inspiration from time to time. My best most reliable mentor is my broker's partner, and my broker. I like to watch David Knox. I occasionally like to listen to Darryl Davis or Brian Buffini.

Will I pay them regularly for it? No. My broker has a library of their stuff that I use. I might buy a book here or there or I may buy a recording / video. But do I need to be hooked up to them regularly, like a fetus to it's mama's umbilical cord? No.

There is a plethora of stuff for inspiration online.

The point is ultimately that there is more than one way to skin a cat. So the newbies need to know that, hence my posts. We don't really need to attempt to convince each other as it is a waste of time. I don't need or want to pay someone to mentor me, I mentor myself. If someone wants to pay for the service, go ahead. As long as your life is balanced and happy, that's all that matters. I especially like to take a lot of time off in the summer. I have a million interests and hobbies, and I would rather lighten my load in the summer and have fun rather than take every stray listing and buyer. Right now, I've been turning down listings and buyers left and right, preferring to cherry pick the good stuff and take a lot of time off. No buyers under $500,000, no sellers under $300,000, no divorces, no short sales, no foreclosures, no homes that are not squeaky clean and well maintained, no sellers or buyers who are cranky or too picky or even too dumb. Especially with the heat wave that is coming for the next three weeks, I will not have the patience to deal with difficult clients, so virtually everyone and everything will get handed to other people in the office. My loss is their gain as I have other things to do! I will maintain and service my farms, of course, but summer is a time for travel, parties, BBQ's, and fun. In September I'll get back to kicking ess and taking names.