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#382552 - 07/11/11 08:59 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: navarac]
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I have read all of the threads on this topic and find it despicable. Why is it that humanity has to be so vile and horrible to others is beyond my comprehension. I do not know of or have ever used Hoss Pratt's material. I came on here to find out more about it. Not one thread that I have seen actually breaks his system down and actually discusses why something is either good or not. All I have seen here is personal attacks on his character with no true basis. The sad part is that if you attack Hoss in this way then everyone who has done the negative attacks must like to have their own name and reputations also dragged through the mud. It is so easy for a lie to go half way around the world before it even has a chance to put it's pants on, but the truth won't get past five people at best. Credibility is what is at stake and none of what I read has it. I also find it very cowardly to have continued your filth here after Pratt released his number to call him. He gave each an opportunity to discuss this with him personally and yet the choice was to continue in this cowardly fashion where you cannot be held accountable for the crap that is posted. Places like this are suppose to be for helpful information to all who visit. Instead in this instance it looks like nothing more then Talbot trash at best.
For all of those people who do not believe in coaching, you should try and sell that to all the athletes out there. What money could be saved and how much less they would need to get paid. The NFL would not need all the coaches including the head coach or the individual trainers for the athletes. The MLB would not need any of that either, nor the manager who heads the whole team. In boxing the champ or even a fighter would not need all the different coaches he has to become a better fighter. In the NBA, MLS, NHL and the rest, same applies. In business people like Warren Buffet don't really need people like Charlie Munger and vice versa. Just think of all the successful people in every industry. They all have mentors, coaches and advisors but according to some on this thread it was just a waste. All the successful people could have done it without their coaches, mentors, and advisors according to some on this thread. The reason why there are coaches is to enable ourselves to see a better picture. I can say for myself that the only person I cannot see is me. For those of you who feel that no coach is needed, I would like to hear from you on how you are able to see yourself as a third party prospective and get around all the mistakes that are made?
Last I feel I must put in this disclaimer; I am in no way endorsing or recommending Hoss Pratt's system. I am not affiliated in any way to Hoss Pratt. I do not know him or ever met or talked with him. I have not used his system nor have any first hand knowledge of it or have I ever purchased his system. You do not need a coach or a mentor or a sugar daddy or a sugar mommy. Just work hard for your clients and make an effort each day to find some new clients. It's really that simple. To pay some jerk who washed out of his profession to tell you to work hard is ludicrous. Spend the money on marketing, not on silliness. Stop complicating a simple issue. Most successful people do NOT pay anyone to be their personal cheerleader. Neither should you. Most people do not pay anyone to give them motivation. It comes from within, not from without. Time for me to go to the gym and push some weights before an afternoon listing appointment. I do not have to pay anyone $100 today to tell me to be motivated. I woke up that way. If you did not, the problem cannot be solved by writing another human being a check to "rah rah" you into being something that you are not. You need to supply your own motivation. It cannot be bought. Throw away the pom-poms and just get to work. most people dont need to be motivated? true..because 90% of people are struggling to make a living... the top 10% of any grpoup has great mentors or coaches.. name any industry or sport..and I will show you they have a coach mentor or trainer.. Michael jordan had a coach, so did wayne gretsky..so did babe ruth.. so does donald trump, so does warren buffett.. so does brad pitt, so does the singers beyonce and lady gaga..
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#382554 - 07/11/11 09:05 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: Hoss is a joke]
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Hoss is a joke,
what basis do you make claims that coaching and training is a scam..
How come all of the top 10% realktors in the world have a coach and attend trainings..
its simple google the wall street top 400 realtors in the world..
almost all are involved with masterminds, trainings, or coaches,..
obviously you dont talk to realtors doing 50-500 transactions..
thats the top 10%...
do you know any who said they just figured it all out..? name 1..please..
I can nbame you several realtors who doi 100, 200 even 500 deals..
where did I meet them?
at trainings, masterminds and mentor programs...cmon..
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#382555 - 07/11/11 09:18 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: VABroker]
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"if it was legit the realtor aSSociation would sponsor it"
is this a joke?
did you see this month magazine from NAR..
with the magic hat about magic marketing...??
thats a joke...
Nar promotes gimmicks...
some of you apparently were born knowing everything..
i came from a non real estate background..
so I hired craig proctor...
i have never earned less than 100k a year net..since my twenties
in real estate..im only a full time agent 4 years..
struggle to figure it all out if you want..
me i just wanna learn..
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#382575 - 07/11/11 12:14 PM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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Excuuuuse me...when I said "my realtors' association" would sponsor it, I meant my LOCAL association - not NAR. Are you kidding? NAR? And, perhaps the word I should have used was "endorsed". My LOCAL association RARELY would have someone come to sell their own wares - my local association is into education.
When the rainmaker comes to town...and he rents out his own convention center...he's selling something.
No different than some dude who came to town and rented out a hotel conference room a few years ago - we got a free lunch, took down lots of notes, listened to his perky seminar that was incredible and convincing and, after it was over, we two of three brokers who jointly attended walked away with our money still in our pockets; whereas, others "jumped" at the great opportunity before them! It was raining badly that day which is why we decided to attend. One of us did want to purchase his "wares" with a 3-way cost split; but two of us (me included) were not influenced by his charms. At those ratios (us 3 brokers), he had mentally convinced at least 33.33% percent of us to purchase! Figure 100 people were there on THAT day which equals 33.33% bought the spill at $500 each - that's $16,665 in one session on one day for 1/2 a day's effort! If I ever bump across his name in my 10-foot stack of real estate crap in my office, I'll post his name here. I have lots of free "motivational" tapes to listen to if my mental and physical butt needs motivation. Hope costs nothing to buy.
If we had as many doctors in my area as we do real estate agents, I might actually find one who is taking new patients. Ever hear a real estate agent say, "I'm not taking new clients"? No, never. Why? Because there's too danged many of us around here which is why we're having to outwit each other. "I'm the Best" "I'm No.1" "Top Lister" "Top Producer". If we had a Lowes or a Home Depot on every corner as we do real estate agents, each store's individual sales and profit would drop dramatically and that's pretty much how it is with independant real etate contractors.
All anyone wants is a magic pill to be rich. If they buy enough of these magic pills, maybe it will happen.
I'll tell you what, "For $20, I'll send every one of you a guide on how to make $1,000's a day."
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#382654 - 07/12/11 07:34 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: VABroker]
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Va broker,
Yes in my market there are agents on every corner..but the top 10% do 90% of the transactions...it used to be the 80/20 rule.
The difference is the 90% of agents are winging it...no gameplan.. "trying to figure it all out...
I dont need no help"-is either the most childish, egotistical thing..to the most dangerous thing ever said...
Here is the real problem,,..
most people pay for coaching and then dont implement anything..
when I was with Remax and was learning brian buffini..
I heard the other agents say..it dont work..
When I ask did you send the 12 monthly items of value...NOPE..
I hear the same at craig proctor events..
Craig system doesnt work.. Did you run any ads? did you call your leads back with the script? NOPE...
At mike ferry events..doesnt work...
Did you actually pick up the phone and call anybody ...NOPE...
if you dont do a darn thing the coach or mentor tells you..of course it wont work...DUH/...
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#382656 - 07/12/11 07:49 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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local boards are a joke too..what kind of education..? basics..
be a great agent stuff?
do they give you the exact ads that pull the best?
do they give proven scripts that convert..lead to appointment?
or are we talking the generic..get a blog..be on social media, open houses and floortime stuff...?
if someone gives you exact ads, exact scripts, exact postcards you can send..that has value...but of course most agents never use any of it...
back to the magic open house, floortime, blogging generic advice...
with all that FREE education..how come the average realtor does 4 deals a year? and 80 percent leave the business within 24-48 months?
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#382664 - 07/12/11 08:11 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: Careers1920]
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Our Local Board provides an environment where we act in a civil manner with one another, and realize that we have somethings in common. It only lasts for the length of a meeting; then it's back to the normal competitive cut-throat back-biting that we've come to love and enjoy. At least we know what one-another looks like.
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Dale C. Hittle of GOLDEN RULE PROPERTIES in Glover, Vermont
Where We're Always Striving To Put Together "THE FAIR DEAL"
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#382672 - 07/12/11 09:17 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: Vermont]
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Our Local Board provides an environment where we act in a civil manner with one another, and realize that we have somethings in common. It only lasts for the length of a meeting; then it's back to the normal competitive cut-throat back-biting that we've come to love and enjoy. At least we know what one-another looks like. Yes, we have that here too. I am glad, at least, that some of the agents I have come to know on a business basis treat each other fairly to try to get a transaction to closing. Others are cut-throat and don't care who they attempt to grind into the ground - they have their fangs showing from Day One. One must have a variety of personality traits to work in this business.
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#382779 - 07/13/11 07:09 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: VABroker]
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back on topic :-)
Hoss Pratt and as an extention Todd Bates And Kinderreese programs all work..really well..
if you do what they told you to do...
its no magic pill...
and its absoulute crucial to get a mentor, traininer or coach
IF you want to succeeed at a high level..
but if you ok with doing 4-6 deals and being average..thats ok..
if thats what you want..then just figure it all out...on your own..
or run around asking other low-no producing agents..
the blind leading the naked...lol
like i should pal around with my local board and local agents..the same agents who aint producing..
who know nothing about scripts, presentations, killer direct response marketing..?
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#382785 - 07/13/11 08:39 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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back on topic :-)
Hoss Pratt and as an extention Todd Bates And Kinderreese programs all work..really well..
if you do what they told you to do...
its no magic pill...
and its absoulute crucial to get a mentor, traininer or coach
IF you want to succeeed at a high level..
but if you ok with doing 4-6 deals and being average..thats ok..
if thats what you want..then just figure it all out...on your own..
or run around asking other low-no producing agents..
the blind leading the naked...lol
like i should pal around with my local board and local agents..the same agents who aint producing..
who know nothing about scripts, presentations, killer direct response marketing..? It is NOT crucial or critical to use mentoring, coaching, or "trainers" to achieve the highest levels of success in real estate. The vast majority of the top agents do not use coaching or any other such nonsense. Wasting money on this silliness is fine, it won't hurt you. And a FEW top agents do use it. But it is NOT ncecessary, and most of the best agents are just smart people who work hard and take care of business in a creative and dynamic way. It is important for the rookies to know that they do not have to pay for this type of service at all, and they can aspire to the top without it, and 90% of the top agents in the country do not use any of it. It's an option, but it is definitely NOT NOT NOT required, so most of you rookies should just save your money for more important things. Like taking REAL courses in architecture, appraisal, home inspection, mortgage financing, real estate law, and all the other ancillary disciplines. The important thing is to become a knowledge powerhouse. That's the real key to getting to the top. Not paying some loser to be your "accountability partner", whatever the heck that means...
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#382789 - 07/13/11 09:05 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: navarac]
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back on topic :-)
Hoss Pratt and as an extention Todd Bates And Kinderreese programs all work..really well..
if you do what they told you to do...
its no magic pill...
and its absoulute crucial to get a mentor, traininer or coach
IF you want to succeeed at a high level..
but if you ok with doing 4-6 deals and being average..thats ok..
if thats what you want..then just figure it all out...on your own..
or run around asking other low-no producing agents..
the blind leading the naked...lol
like i should pal around with my local board and local agents..the same agents who aint producing..
who know nothing about scripts, presentations, killer direct response marketing..? It is NOT crucial or critical to use mentoring, coaching, or "trainers" to achieve the highest levels of success in real estate. The vast majority of the top agents do not use coaching or any other such nonsense. Wasting money on this silliness is fine, it won't hurt you. And a FEW top agents do use it. But it is NOT ncecessary, and most of the best agents are just smart people who work hard and take care of business in a creative and dynamic way. It is important for the rookies to know that they do not have to pay for this type of service at all, and they can aspire to the top without it, and 90% of the top agents in the country do not use any of it. It's an option, but it is definitely NOT NOT NOT required, so most of you rookies should just save your money for more important things. Like taking REAL courses in architecture, appraisal, home inspection, mortgage financing, real estate law, and all the other ancillary disciplines. The important thing is to become a knowledge powerhouse. That's the real key to getting to the top. Not paying some loser to be your "accountability partner", whatever the heck that means... navarac, this is just plain silly,..spend time learning things that dont matter? any successful business is in the lead generation business. you could be the very best, resturant, doctor, lawyer or agent..if you do not know how to acquire customers you will starve to death. period. i know many great 20 year vetaran agents who know real estate in and out..starving to death in this market..because they lead generation and customer acquisition sucks...
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#382792 - 07/13/11 09:26 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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and I'm calling you out on the false information...
name any of of the wall street top 400 who isnt involved in having a mentor coach or mastermind..
name any of the realtor top 30 under 30 who advocates..figuring it out on your own..
go back and read last month top 30 under 30..the ones doing 100 plus transactions..how come they maintain coaching,getting help masterminds and mentorships as crucial..
Navarac, name any top agents doiung 100 plus transactions..thats not in some sort of mastermind , mentorship or coaching..
the top 5 agents in hudson county are mike ferry agents i know personally, rounding out the top 10 are 2 in cocoran coaching,.and a floyd wickman guy..
you are in nj correct..
i can name names of guys i know personally
1.patrick southern, hoboken nj..100 plus deals 2010 mike ferry
2. jeff quintan 160 deals 2010-mike ferry
3.francesco mazzaferro-hoboken 70 deals-2010-floyd wickman
4. this year top 30 under 30 winner-blake sloan-myrtle beach-320 closed 2010-craig proctor
5.#1 adent in rhode island ny-100 closed-nathan clarke-craig proctor
6.#1 team in the capitol region ny state willie miranda 500 closed sales 2010-craig proctor-
7.top 10 worldwide colwell banker-mariana cowen-canada-200 plus-transactions-craig proctor-
8. breanna llewlyn -oklohoma city a 24 year old girl-160 closed transactions- mike ferry-
9. jeff glover-detroit michigan 100 closed-detroit michigan-mike ferry
10. top 30 under 30 alumni-chad who at 19 years old 2nd year in real estate closed over 100 deals personally-mike ferry-sarasota springs ny
none of these place any emphasis on crs.abr, epro-none of that..they all have coaches mentors , trainers..
your knowledge thing is flawed
the #1 agent in hudson county at 32 years old making 1 million dollars a year..no abr, no crs, no epro , no designations whatsoever..except mike ferry coaching..
ok know your turn..mame just 1 top agent you know..you will say they figured this out on thier own..just name #1..
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#382793 - 07/13/11 09:34 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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by the way the #1 office in hudson county a small boutique firm liberty real estate is the #1 office in the county for closed transactions , a mike ferry trained office..
is beating the billion dollar companies of
remax, century 21, weichert, coldwell banker,keller williams..better funded better trained offices are getting trounced by a small boutique firm...
and anybody in realtor mag top 30 under 30 must verify the claims from the mls..so my friend blake sloan 320 transactions at 28 years old is VERIFIED 320 transactions craig proctor and kinder reese jay kinder are our mutual mentors...
look up any of the names i gave you on realtor.com..or zillow and see how many listings they are carrying right now...
now please back up your claims by naming some mega agents-who is figuring it out on there own...
cmon just name a few...
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#382794 - 07/13/11 09:43 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: lindenmoe]
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having superior product or services means nothing..if you cant acquire customers..ie lead generation..
there are alot of smart-know it all broke as hell people...
some of us maybe you make more money..
than entry level doctors,lawyers,college professors..etc..
the top brilliant college professors at yale, harvard or princeton..make about 100k a year..most college professors make 50k..a year..all brilliantly smart people..the average economist makes 40k a year brilliant people..
no corre;lation to wealth..or making money...or success..
there is stories all over the wall st journal of college grads..smart people with degrees who cant even find a job in thier feild...so give it a rest with the whole lets learn a million things then starve to death..thing..
mcdonalds does not have a superior burger or food...they have superior marketing...
the best marketer wins..period..
if you have the best resturant but you cant get any customers to try your great food..you outta business...
the resturant up the st with poor food and bad service..but superior marketing will make more money than you..
same thing goes for a dentist doctor or lawyer office..the office up the street with inferior knowledge and inferior service..with superior marketing will make more money and be more successful..period.
step into the real world...
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#382795 - 07/13/11 09:49 AM
Re: Real Estate Success Program
[Re: navarac]
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Loc: jersey city
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back on topic :-)
Hoss Pratt and as an extention Todd Bates And Kinderreese programs all work..really well..
if you do what they told you to do...
its no magic pill...
and its absoulute crucial to get a mentor, traininer or coach
IF you want to succeeed at a high level..
but if you ok with doing 4-6 deals and being average..thats ok..
if thats what you want..then just figure it all out...on your own..
or run around asking other low-no producing agents..
the blind leading the naked...lol
like i should pal around with my local board and local agents..the same agents who aint producing..
who know nothing about scripts, presentations, killer direct response marketing..? It is NOT crucial or critical to use mentoring, coaching, or "trainers" to achieve the highest levels of success in real estate. The vast majority of the top agents do not use coaching or any other such nonsense. Wasting money on this silliness is fine, it won't hurt you. And a FEW top agents do use it. But it is NOT ncecessary, and most of the best agents are just smart people who work hard and take care of business in a creative and dynamic way. It is important for the rookies to know that they do not have to pay for this type of service at all, and they can aspire to the top without it, and 90% of the top agents in the country do not use any of it. It's an option, but it is definitely NOT NOT NOT required, so most of you rookies should just save your money for more important things. Like taking REAL courses in architecture, appraisal, home inspection, mortgage financing, real estate law, and all the other ancillary disciplines. The important thing is to become a knowledge powerhouse. That's the real key to getting to the top. Not paying some loser to be your "accountability partner", whatever the heck that means... yeah become a knowledge poerhouse, get every designation..then starve to death..because you dont know how to get any clients...yeah thats good advice..that makes sense right? study everything there is to know about real estate..then sit there waiting for buyers and sellers to find you...right?
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