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#370539 - 03/23/11 05:36 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: VABroker]
navarac Offline
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Originally Posted By: VABroker
I think there are alot more factors at play in real estate and trying to win over a potential client, be it buyer or seller, than there are in someone coaching you to be a great golfer or basketball player. In sports, you've got to have the natural "knack" to begin with in physical skills and ability to strengthen those skills (physically and mentally) to win, otherwise everyone would be a great sports player if they were just coached.

Recently a KW agent came to town regarding how to Crush Short Sales or Be Crushed. I challenged him on it to begin with as far as was he legit? Seems if it was a legit thing, my realtors' association would have sponsored it. He sponsored himself. There weren't any handouts, no "scripts" nothing. Whether his "class" was worthwhile or not, I didn't attend (and pay in advance via internet via charge card) the $79 fee to attend. As far as I was concerned, it looked like a scam and I called the convention center to see if it was an actual person. But, I will agree that KW comes up with all kinds of ways to get your attention and your money.

Everyone's out to sell everyone something. I've been in this business for 9 years and discovered the first year - everybody's trying to sell you something. I agree, if someone is doing sooo well in real estate - why aren't they still doing it? Most upsetting is when someone says they did 365 transactions last year - and then you find out they have a team of 20 who did 20 million in transactions which averages to $1m for each agent - no biggie there - just be honest saying it's a team instead of advertising how "I' did 20 million in transactions last year. Some people who have been quoted or interviewed or testified about a program or coach - I search out their name on the internet first to see if they are an agent and then I email them. Out of probably 6 emails, only 1 person ever responded. If you're on the other side of the U.S. and I'm not threat to you business-wise and what you're "advertising" is really such a wonderful thing - why wouldn't one respond back? I guess they're too busy with all the new business they have, eh?


Good observations. The real estate profession is a magnet for dreamers, and of course dreamers are world-class suckers that attract the scammers. And coaching? Seriously? Needing to be "motivated" and "energized" to do your job right? Like the dreary televangelists motivating human flotsam to part with what little money they have so they can build another outlet center, I mean, cathedral. A tragic joke that would be funny were it not for the sad futility of it all.


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#370627 - 03/24/11 11:20 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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Even "know it alls" need to be reminded, held accountable and guided so that they may grow, and once and a while they learn something new even though they think they are the best and know everything there is to know.

Remember, there is always room to grow and things to learn. Taking a step back to sharpen the axe is better than banging your head against the tree.

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#370670 - 03/24/11 11:35 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: lucky]
navarac Offline
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Originally Posted By: lucky
Even "know it alls" need to be reminded, held accountable and guided so that they may grow, and once and a while they learn something new even though they think they are the best and know everything there is to know.

Remember, there is always room to grow and things to learn. Taking a step back to sharpen the axe is better than banging your head against the tree.




No they don't. Know-it-alls know what they need to learn, and learn it, so they remain know-it-alls. Know-it-alls know that growth and learning come from personal effort and dedication to excellence, and don't need to pay someone to tell them the obvious. Know-it-alls consciously plan personal growth with each new day, and are dedicated to going to bed each night a stronger and smarter person than they were the night before.

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#370700 - 03/25/11 10:04 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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This could be a matter of semantics, but being pegged a "know it all" is not really a compliment.

Many of the "know it alls" that I know (and probably others can attest to this about their circle of k-i-a's too) don't really "know it all" but they sure know how to be rude, inconsiderate, arrogant butt heads. wink

In fact, there is a huge divide between being a knowledgeable person and a know-it-all. The know-it-all's divide is usually filled up with ego, bluster, and B.S.

The knowledgeable person doesn't need ego, arrogance, and rudeness to share their knowledge.

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#370705 - 03/25/11 11:07 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
navarac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
This could be a matter of semantics, but being pegged a "know it all" is not really a compliment.

Many of the "know it alls" that I know (and probably others can attest to this about their circle of k-i-a's too) don't really "know it all" but they sure know how to be rude, inconsiderate, arrogant butt heads. wink

In fact, there is a huge divide between being a knowledgeable person and a know-it-all. The know-it-all's divide is usually filled up with ego, bluster, and B.S.

The knowledgeable person doesn't need ego, arrogance, and rudeness to share their knowledge.


Frequently though, certain people brand others as "know-it-alls" out of their own insecurity. Frequently, certain people brand those who are too self-confident as "arrogant" out of their own self-doubt. Frequently, certain people interpret outspokenness as "rudeness", because they lack confidence in their own knowledge and are intensely threatened by others who have the audacity to appear confident and certain. Yet the world needs those few who are willing to call a spade a spade. Because otherwise we will all collapse into a big, soft, pile of friendly and meek uncertainty and ineffectiveness.

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#370709 - 03/25/11 12:28 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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I agree. Some "know-it-alls" only know what they know . . . . and think that's all there is.

They have to be forgiven because they don't know "what they don't know" . . . . they don't even know that it exists.

I know a little bit about what I don't know, and that helps me in the knowledge that I don't know it all . . . . just "some" of what I could know . . . . and maybe should know; but right now don't know (and don't care).

Have you ever noticed how difficult it is to talk about that which you don't know? I've tried but it's almost impossible; and I sensed that nobody was listening because they knew that I didn't know ! Voilą !
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#370725 - 03/25/11 05:01 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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Let's stay focused and on topic. The topic is about how big of a scam and rip off this "coaching" program is. :)

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#370730 - 03/25/11 05:43 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread but why do star athletes use coaches? Surely they know it all.
Why do corporations send their executives to conventions, retreats, seminars at huge expense if it was not beneficial?
Why did Micheal Jordan have a coach?
Tiger woods? Etc. Etc.


Edited by lucky (03/25/11 05:50 PM)

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#372262 - 04/10/11 12:26 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: lucky]
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Those coaches are to motivate and create a cohesive "team", not an individual agent. I think coaching teams and individuals are two different entities.

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#372688 - 04/14/11 04:45 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Vermont]
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Originally Posted By: Vermont
I agree. Some "know-it-alls" only know what they know . . . . and think that's all there is.

They have to be forgiven because they don't know "what they don't know" . . . . they don't even know that it exists.

I know a little bit about what I don't know, and that helps me in the knowledge that I don't know it all . . . . just "some" of what I could know . . . . and maybe should know; but right now don't know (and don't care).

Have you ever noticed how difficult it is to talk about that which you don't know? I've tried but it's almost impossible; and I sensed that nobody was listening because they knew that I didn't know ! Voilą !


Well said.. I love this!!!!! Just sayin
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#378464 - 06/08/11 11:18 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
Hoss is a joke Offline
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Back to the top !!! :)

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#378468 - 06/08/11 11:49 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Hoss is a joke]
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Originally Posted By: Hoss is a joke
Back to the top !!! smile


Okay, so what is your motivation for the thread and bringing it back to the top?

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#382517 - 07/10/11 07:06 PM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: Careers1920]
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I have read all of the threads on this topic and find it despicable. Why is it that humanity has to be so vile and horrible to others is beyond my comprehension. I do not know of or have ever used Hoss Pratt's material. I came on here to find out more about it. Not one thread that I have seen actually breaks his system down and actually discusses why something is either good or not. All I have seen here is personal attacks on his character with no true basis. The sad part is that if you attack Hoss in this way then everyone who has done the negative attacks must like to have their own name and reputations also dragged through the mud. It is so easy for a lie to go half way around the world before it even has a chance to put it's pants on, but the truth won't get past five people at best. Credibility is what is at stake and none of what I read has it. I also find it very cowardly to have continued your filth here after Pratt released his number to call him. He gave each an opportunity to discuss this with him personally and yet the choice was to continue in this cowardly fashion where you cannot be held accountable for the crap that is posted. Places like this are suppose to be for helpful information to all who visit. Instead in this instance it looks like nothing more then Talbot trash at best.
For all of those people who do not believe in coaching, you should try and sell that to all the athletes out there. What money could be saved and how much less they would need to get paid. The NFL would not need all the coaches including the head coach or the individual trainers for the athletes. The MLB would not need any of that either, nor the manager who heads the whole team. In boxing the champ or even a fighter would not need all the different coaches he has to become a better fighter. In the NBA, MLS, NHL and the rest, same applies. In business people like Warren Buffet don't really need people like Charlie Munger and vice versa. Just think of all the successful people in every industry. They all have mentors, coaches and advisors but according to some on this thread it was just a waste. All the successful people could have done it without their coaches, mentors, and advisors according to some on this thread. The reason why there are coaches is to enable ourselves to see a better picture. I can say for myself that the only person I cannot see is me. For those of you who feel that no coach is needed, I would like to hear from you on how you are able to see yourself as a third party prospective and get around all the mistakes that are made?
Last I feel I must put in this disclaimer; I am in no way endorsing or recommending Hoss Pratt's system. I am not affiliated in any way to Hoss Pratt. I do not know him or ever met or talked with him. I have not used his system nor have any first hand knowledge of it or have I ever purchased his system.

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#382548 - 07/11/11 08:44 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: lostsite]
navarac Offline
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Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: lostsite
I have read all of the threads on this topic and find it despicable. Why is it that humanity has to be so vile and horrible to others is beyond my comprehension. I do not know of or have ever used Hoss Pratt's material. I came on here to find out more about it. Not one thread that I have seen actually breaks his system down and actually discusses why something is either good or not. All I have seen here is personal attacks on his character with no true basis. The sad part is that if you attack Hoss in this way then everyone who has done the negative attacks must like to have their own name and reputations also dragged through the mud. It is so easy for a lie to go half way around the world before it even has a chance to put it's pants on, but the truth won't get past five people at best. Credibility is what is at stake and none of what I read has it. I also find it very cowardly to have continued your filth here after Pratt released his number to call him. He gave each an opportunity to discuss this with him personally and yet the choice was to continue in this cowardly fashion where you cannot be held accountable for the crap that is posted. Places like this are suppose to be for helpful information to all who visit. Instead in this instance it looks like nothing more then Talbot trash at best.
For all of those people who do not believe in coaching, you should try and sell that to all the athletes out there. What money could be saved and how much less they would need to get paid. The NFL would not need all the coaches including the head coach or the individual trainers for the athletes. The MLB would not need any of that either, nor the manager who heads the whole team. In boxing the champ or even a fighter would not need all the different coaches he has to become a better fighter. In the NBA, MLS, NHL and the rest, same applies. In business people like Warren Buffet don't really need people like Charlie Munger and vice versa. Just think of all the successful people in every industry. They all have mentors, coaches and advisors but according to some on this thread it was just a waste. All the successful people could have done it without their coaches, mentors, and advisors according to some on this thread. The reason why there are coaches is to enable ourselves to see a better picture. I can say for myself that the only person I cannot see is me. For those of you who feel that no coach is needed, I would like to hear from you on how you are able to see yourself as a third party prospective and get around all the mistakes that are made?
Last I feel I must put in this disclaimer; I am in no way endorsing or recommending Hoss Pratt's system. I am not affiliated in any way to Hoss Pratt. I do not know him or ever met or talked with him. I have not used his system nor have any first hand knowledge of it or have I ever purchased his system.


You do not need a coach or a mentor or a sugar daddy or a sugar mommy. Just work hard for your clients and make an effort each day to find some new clients. It's really that simple. To pay some jerk who washed out of his profession to tell you to work hard is ludicrous. Spend the money on marketing, not on silliness. Stop complicating a simple issue. Most successful people do NOT pay anyone to be their personal cheerleader. Neither should you. Most people do not pay anyone to give them motivation. It comes from within, not from without.

Time for me to go to the gym and push some weights before an afternoon listing appointment. I do not have to pay anyone $100 today to tell me to be motivated. I woke up that way. If you did not, the problem cannot be solved by writing another human being a check to "rah rah" you into being something that you are not. You need to supply your own motivation. It cannot be bought.

Throw away the pom-poms and just get to work.








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#382551 - 07/11/11 08:54 AM Re: Real Estate Success Program [Re: navarac]
lindenmoe Offline
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Loc: jersey city
that is nonsense..
about not needing a trainer or coach...
there is only 1 difference between the guys who die
on mount everest and the ones who live...and climb successfully
SHERPAS- thats guides...
Success leaves clues...
everybody who has a higfh level of success has a trainer or coaxh or mentor...
anything else is egotistical nonsense...
success leaves clues...
by the way hoss pratt stuff ius awesome..very low key way of talking to fsbo and expireds..
his program is simple
mail all fsbo and expireds your mareketing plan..

then call them to ask did they recieve it and conversate..
lets just go through a few people who has a coach or trainer or mentor..
tiger woods, michael phelps, michael jordan..
all the top 10$ or realtors in the worlkd..
the top wall street 400 realtors..
read last month realtor mag about top 30 under 30..
the highest producers in there talk about having
a trainer or coach..
only idiots and lil small cxhildren

wanna figure things out on there own..

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