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#322322 - 01/17/10 06:21 PM Re: Plan B [Re: bpojoe]
northtxbroker Offline
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Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 1858
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: bpojoe
Quote:
By your own admission, about 88% of short sales listed in your area do NOT sell. Why would you want to do the work, especially the extra work for a short sale, when you have an 88% chance of not selling? Just curious.

just like this--where did i say anything about short sales NOT SELLING? where? i actually have said that SHORT SALES ARE OUT SELLING REOS--i have not said 88% of anything--maybe i should say that 88% of what you post has nothing to do with what you respond to..

Hmmm....how about this conversation?

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
Originally Posted By: Grampa
Originally Posted By: bpojoe
SOUTH FLORIDA--7869 SHORT SALES AND THEN--READY?
REOS--992---


Here on the left coast of FL it is the same type of ratio of short sales to REO for listings and pendings.

However, in the SOLD catagory the split is more 50/50.

I can not tell you how many times I have had to call a short sale listing agent who had a property "Pending" and tell them to remove it from MLS as it has now foreclosed and their listing is no longer valid.

Not a call that I enjoy making because I know that many of them are really counting on the sale but reality is reality.


that is what i have been saying about realtors--they drive me crazy---


Seems to me that you agreed with that assessment. So, by some simple math, you said that about 88% of your short sales are NOT closing.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
SHORT SALES ARE A BETTER VALUE DUE TO THEM BEING IN BETTER CONDITION--

Not my experience. REOs are in similar condition to many short sales. Many of my REO sales in the last 6 months have gone FHA.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
SHORT SALES CAN BE PURCHASED CHEAPER THAN REOS MAKING THEM GOOD FOR POTENTIAL BUYERS--

Not my experience. REOs are selling cheaper than, or at similar prices to, short sales here.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
SHORT SALES DO SALE--THEY ARE SELLING--

Your numbers:

Short sale listings: 7869
REO listings: 992
REO to Short Sale sales ratio: 50:50
Maximum number of REO sales: 992
Maximum number of Short Sale sales: 992 (because of the ratio)
Probability of a REO selling: 100%
Probability of a Short Sale selling prior to foreclosure: 12.6%

The conclusion is obvious....short sales are not closing.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
but if YOU guys are right? here is a scenerio-
banks will hire in house appraisers to clear out bad debt properties--no need for bpos-

Why would a bank do this when they can pay $125 for a BPO or even $350-$400 for an appraisal? Maybe you missed the mass layoffs that happened.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
people cannot buy homes so --there is no need for bpos-so in YOUR case--bpos will not be necessary!

I've never done a BPO for a purchase. Here's J's list for why BPOs are ordered:

PMI releases
Short Sales
Loan Modifications
Foreclosures
Due Diligence
REO properties
Property Damages by Natural disasters
Insurance verifications
Note Trades.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
banks have been thinking for years to staff their own real estate teams--it is cheaper and it is salary and they can get quality educated people!

Might want to check with Congress and NAR about the legality of that. Hint--if it was legal, it would have happened already....

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
but 2 things are for sure--
1.what you guys post responding to me--has nothing to do with my actual posts..

Ignorance is bliss. By the way, you STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED my questions to your original post.

Originally Posted By: bpojoe
2. things are going to change and those who do not adapt-die

The master of the obvious strikes again.

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#322324 - 01/17/10 06:23 PM Re: Plan B [Re: bpojoe]
northtxbroker Offline
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Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 1858
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: bpojoe
what ever people---enjoy your bpos and reos---
but if they drop by 10-20-50% by the end of the year--don't cry--
but if you stay the same or get more--then i am the fool--
what is the big deal--

i bet all of you have less bpos this month than you did this time last year--and i bet the same will be in Feb and March--
maybe not much--but i bet at least 10%

My BPOs increased by 20% last year. REO sales were steady despite the fact that there were no/minimal foreclosures in my area in the first 6 months of last year.

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#322325 - 01/17/10 06:27 PM Re: Plan B [Re: Doin' bpose]
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Registered: 06/01/09
Posts: 237
Loc: Capital of REOs
Lots of agents make a living doing bpos, and by the way i dont do bpos for $50 I

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#322326 - 01/17/10 06:28 PM Re: Plan B [Re: skorpion]
skorpion Offline
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Posts: 237
Loc: Capital of REOs
I do it for $40 lol

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#322329 - 01/17/10 06:33 PM Re: Plan B [Re: skorpion]
skorpion Offline
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Registered: 06/01/09
Posts: 237
Loc: Capital of REOs
This is just my personal opinion guys i just think we should be trained before doing our first bpo... companies like farvv requires you to have training... In order to get more business with eml they require agents to be napbob certified... (and the nabpop exam is not a walk in the park). All im saying is our business is growing and eventually somethings are gonna change...

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#322342 - 01/17/10 07:19 PM Re: Plan B [Re: skorpion]
neudot Offline
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Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 1753
Loc: Central New York
Well, if the BPO business is dying, it's not evident in my personal statistics. BPO income up about 15K in 2009 vs 2008; December 09 up 32% over December 2008; January 2010 has already passed January 2009.

Most of my eggs are in this particular basket right now, but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way. A well-rounded agent/broker can move with the market. Fair market sales and listings are always an alternative, when that segment picks back up again.

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#322344 - 01/17/10 07:41 PM Re: Plan B [Re: DueDiligence]
Don Price (Pine) Offline
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Registered: 03/12/08
Posts: 3272
Loc: Pinehurst, NC
Originally Posted By: DueDiligence
...............

So, I do feel that more than likely the BPO business of some agents will decrease or may be eliminated altogether. But not for the fuzzy-logic fuzzy wabbit wool-gathering stream of consciousness loose association non-reasons of the OP.


We have to give DD due praise for the well expressed and thought out scenario, of which I agree with in part.

What I don't see happening now is that BPOs are becoming more like appraisals, more superfluous data required for sure, but not the same valuation modeling used. (Granted there are many poorly conceived forms and companies) What happened after the Savings and Loan crisis is similar to what we are now digging out of, so I see the end results perhaps being that loan guidelines being enforced and perhaps tightened, and the use of other instruments of valuations of assets becoming more and more an AVM, perhaps to where agents only verify and/or input data, and probably for far less then even our current rates. This might take a few years - or it might come more quickly. A factor I hate to mention that will speed up this process resides with which political party has control, as it stands now, it is not looking good frown

As far as needing to be a broker in the future to do appraisals - I see it that way now. In the states I am familiar with, a non broker agent needs to work under the supervision of a BIC in order to have their license active. So, whether the BIC is actually supervising their agent doing a bpo or not, I would generally think they would be responsible any action of the agent under them where it relates to real estate, bpo included.

Education to perform bpos better, I don't want to pop anyone's balloons, but there really isn't any education you can get that will give you the experience needed to actually prepare a green agent to do bpo work without supervision. I have completed most classes and even pointed out mistakes to some schools in their information, which is the reason more then any that I do not generally use the alphabet soup that comes with them.

Stating the obvious - our industry is changing, and in my opinion faster now then anytime in the past. With technology that already exists, data bases already created, we are making a living on borrowed time. IMNSHO, this will affect general real estate as much as our niche. If you want to keep earning a living with real estate, be flexible, studious, observant and tenacious and accept change.

I see investing, management, partnerships, buying low and selling high, as staples for us. Look at any real estate deal - what are the basic fundamentals that simply cannot be changed and what are the areas that 'could be' - base your decisions on that.

Anyway we slice it - things will change and as the many other threads here about the same thing show, there are as many opinions as to what the future brings as there are people willing to post.

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#339628 - 05/30/10 10:24 PM Re: Plan B [Re: Don Price (Pine)]
....J~ Offline
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Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 800
Loc: USA
So I found out recently that in my state you can't have revolving burrial plots. Any ideas for a new plan B? I've thought about doing DE for agents but I'd have to find enough agents that are willing to pay by paypal to make it profitable for me and I'm not sure I can compete with our friend from india as his cost of living isn't as high as mine.

J~
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#339629 - 05/30/10 11:20 PM Re: Plan B [Re: ....J~]
CandyMan Offline
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Registered: 07/12/08
Posts: 2480
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: ....J~
So I found out recently that in my state you can't have revolving burrial plots. Any ideas for a new plan B? I've thought about doing DE for agents but I'd have to find enough agents that are willing to pay by paypal to make it profitable for me and I'm not sure I can compete with our friend from india as his cost of living isn't as high as mine.

J~


Welcome to the second semester of BPO 101A. With companies constantly adjusting the price downwards on our fee, you may have a tough nut to crack. If you buy into the concept of "but, you can make it up in volume", it might work. Best of luck, J~.
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#339639 - 05/31/10 12:34 PM Re: Plan B [Re: CandyMan]
Cool guy Offline
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Registered: 06/30/04
Posts: 2043
Loc: California
cliffnotes please.

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#361452 - 12/21/10 07:53 PM Re: Plan B [Re: Cool guy]
....J~ Offline
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Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 800
Loc: USA
Okay so back to the drawing board for Plan B. I posted a while back that I'm looking at getting my sales agents license but what I'm looking for is a RE company in the Salt Lake Valley that would be interested in picking up an assistant so that I can get a feel for the company. My regular QC work is slow right now and I'm looking to transition into being a sales agent. Figured this might be a good step. If you guys have any feedback I'd appreciate it or if by chance you know someone that has a Sales office in my area looking for this type of work I'd also appreciate a PM.

Thanks so much! You guys are wonderful as always,

J~
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#361456 - 12/21/10 08:31 PM Re: Plan B [Re: ....J~]
JackREO Offline
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Registered: 09/02/08
Posts: 761
Loc: Massachusetts
I have 2 friends in the Salt Lake City area. They specialize in REOs I'll PM you.

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