If so I'd like to hear your feedback on it.

I was for about a month it was pretty good and I was satisfied with it. But then I discovered busyagentpro on this forum.

Yes, I use Point 2 Basic and am very happy with it. I'm capturing around two solid leads on average per day. That along with my blog have produced good results and I have no plan to change.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if some of these inquiries are being planted so that those with interests in their own agent web solutions can start promoting their products on A/O.

If I only had a websolution to hawk then I would do that. But I don't.

[quote=ColoBroker]I was for about a month it was pretty good and I was satisfied with it. But then I discovered busyagentpro on this forum. [/quote]

ColoBroker, how many leads are you getting through busyagentpro vs Point2Agent?

I didn't get any leads as I recall through point2agent in the 2 months it was active. But then I didn't try to hard with it after the 1st month. But then I did forward that domain name to my bap accounts so possibly people have visited again and found my new site instead. I've gotten several good leads through BAP including a potential huge farm listing that I wouldn't have gotten at all with point2agent as with that I couldn't create separate websites and lead capture pages directed at things such as foreclosures, and farm and ranch. I also received leads for farm bpos (which pay fabulously) due to my farm and ranch pages. Maybe they will turn into foreclosure listings who knows. I don't know if you should base any real decisions on my experience as I didn't have point2agent for that long to really see if it worked. It did get good search results though just from my few blogs I did in conjunction with a blogspot blog and a wordpressblog. One thing I did like about point2agent is the listing share program. Which BAP doesn't have and couldn't have as good as point2agent as they only allow one agent per market. Which in itself is good.

I think the best way to compare is to compare features side by side vs price. They both require the user (you) to do things to get the site up in the search engines.

I'm pretty sure with point2agent though you will never get to ask the owner of the company any questions.

I don't think that's the case. I think with the slow market a lot of agents are forced to reevaluate their marketing budgets and materials. With fewer closings agents need to spend their money more wisely now and are looking to get the most bang for their marketing buck.

If a system or two keep coming up I'd say it's because they are working and people are happy with them. I know I like the system I have and won't be changing. One of my blog's keywords has directly brought in over $10,000 so far this year. I think I posted for those keywords maybe a dozen times. What's that equal out to, almost $850 per blog post? If any system can do that, I'd be keeping it too!

I've been using p2p for about four years now. I'm very happy with but like anything esle it has it's good points and bad. Like the way I can post on craigslist which bring alot of traffic. Hard to get your seo fine tuned great messageboards with helpful people !

Ben34105, how could you not think that this was the case? Remember this post?

http://www.agentsonline.net/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/303343.html#Post303343

I'm not bashing the product nor the promoter (in fact, I find his responses and opinions rather enlightening) and this ongoing practice does not seem to violate the TOS, but it is promotion. Think about it. The OP's question was about P2 and somehow this thread (too) has evolved into a discussion topic for an entirely different product with already plenty of coverage on A/O that has absolutely nothing to do with P2.

There are many plusses to having a loosely regulated forum, but I think it also provides a platform for those who wish to promote their own products and services, either blatantly or via questions. I'm not looking to shake things up, but just making an observation.

Sure I remember that thread. I hardly consider it a plant. The OP asked for website solutions and several website providers were mentioned and debated. I think even Rush Limbaugh would call that fair.

Or are you talking about Brian being from near where the OP is from? You know Super Realtor is a BAP member and from Atlanta. Are you guys plants and up to something?

Colobroker was a former P2A member and was even satisfied with it. Then he found BAP and it fit his goals better. Next month maybe he'll like TP better. Let's not discredit him because he changed.

In my opinion P2A, TP, BAP and all the other providers have been discussed ad nauseum here. People will always swear by one or the other. It just seems that BAP is always singled out by the skeptics. Maybe it's because Brian posts here and puts a face to BAP so people remember it more. Can anyone name the president of P2A off the top of your head? I dunno.

To be clear, it's true that the OP on the other thread asked about a web solution, but only three of the eighteen responses currently on that thread had anything to write about anything other than the product you refer to here.

If you referring to me as a skeptic, I know nothing about that product or any of the others besides P2 other than what has been written about them quite extensively on A/O. Further, your comments about where we are from and it's bearing on this thread completely escape me.

These were just observations and here are a few more.

1. One of the marketing tactics behind MLM plans is to have current users brag about the "system" to prospects with hopes of signing them up too. My sense is that this is exactly what is happening here through questions because completely rational agents who would never recommend that anyone spend $67, $77 or any significant dollar amount per month on anything are recommending certain products on A/O.

2. Others who attempt to pitch their products here are immediately torpedoed, but the same answers with their own unique marketing spins are provided to anyone who asks anything about a web solution.

I'm up against some highly respected posters and product users on this thread. Apparently even a moderator here is also the president of the company that owns one of the web solutions being marketed on A/O. I don't know the name of the president of P2 and I have to get to my overnight leads, so I'll gracefully move on. I would, however, be interested in seeing a response to Harold Hing's question.

Greene believe me that BAP is not mlm. If it was I, Ben and Super would ask for people to contact us to refer them to BAP. I don't get anything for saying anything good about them on this site or any other. I just like the service. Ben was the one who sent me a couple messages about BAP before I signed up. And answered my questions. Never asking me to say it was him who sent me, When I went to sign up it never asked anywhere how I heard about it or asked for a members name that referred me to BAP. Besides at that time I didn't know Ben or Super's real name.

I had heard about BAP awhile before I saw a thread on here asking if it really worked. But to me the BAP site at that time didn't sell itself well to me. Mostly because at that time Brian was selling his seminars and other marketing products on the bap site as well as the system. I've never liked the idea of real estate trainers or the sellers of "complete real estate success systems" So I dismissed it at that time.

I had just signed up for P2P a month before reading that thread and I saw more benefits to using BAP with not much more cost then the level of p2p I was using.

When I first read the thread asking if BAP worked I was heartened to see endorsements from members of this forum that I respected their other posts on other topics. Plus there was not one bad thing said about the service. That rarely happens on here with a company.

I do see your point as there have been a number or people with relatively low posts asking about web services or something recently and those of us that like BAP jumping in and suggesting it.

In answering the OPs first question as they asked for P2A I wanted to let them know I liked it fine, but had found something better in my own opinion. It wouldn't have been an honest answer if I had just said it was a great service and left it at that. When reality I dropped P2A a month in.

And by the way Ben. I tried Top Producer once and didn't like it at all.

I have no control over that. I'm sure if I did research I'd find threads where it was biased the other way.



The link you provided opened up to Brian's post referring to being from the same area as another agent asking about BAP. I was asking if that's what made you feel like it was a plant. I see it more as a coincidence just like you are from the same town as Super Realtor and I am from the same area as Agent4lee.



I assure you I am not part of any MLM plan. I'm a broker at my own company and there is more money in recruiting agents to work for me and selling real estate then trying to get someone to sign up for a forum. If I made money off of BAP my signature line would look more like Brian's instead of a link calling people idiots for wanting a free list of BPO companies. If you look at point #2 of the OPs post on the prior thread he asked what cost are involved. I answered him.



I don't find this to be entirely true. There is a section in the forum for blatant solicitations. If you post the same solicitation in 12 sections of the forum it is removed as spam. If you think any of these post are spam, hit the report post button and a moderator will check it out. One of the mods here does not like BAP. That person hasn't deleted any of these post and I'm sure they'd love to if they crossed the line.



You're not up against anyone. The mods here use several different systems. If you think one is being biased and abusing the system you need to talk to Admin (who owns his own system by the way). We all play by his rules.



I can't answer this question, but I would like to comment. You know as well as I do that not all leads are created equal. Some buy now, some later and some just want to be driven around on Sunday afternoon. What's important is you have a proper system in place to follow up with the ones that will buy later. It's not how many leads you get, it's what you do with them.

If Colo Broker only gets 1 lead a month, but he follows up with the lead until they close, it's a lot better then you or I getting 20 leads a month and writing them off because they don't buy a house tomorrow.

The ironic thing about this thread is that we are in a real estate forum. We run real estate businesses where we all strive to create raving fans and a business that can sustain itself by referrals from happy customers. We all hope that our Sphere of Influence will recommend us at every opportunity they get.


Yet, when a perfect example of that very thing is happening right in front of your eyes, it is somehow a MLM or whatever and not an example of a raving fan letting others know about the incredible results they are getting which is the case here.

I strive to create raving fans and referrals in both my personal real estate business as well as my community and this is just an example of that. In my real estate business as well as BAP, I treat my loyal customers well, I thank them often, I try to do special things for them and in return they recommend me at every opportunity they get and I appreciate that and try to instill the same type model with into all of our members at BAP for their own businesses.

And for the record, BAP is not an MLM, nobody is so called "planting" posts, nor does anyone get paid for referring people to us although I'm thinking maybe we should start paying people since we are always accused of it here on this board anyway:)

Last, I believe Point2 is a good company and has some very nice features. I also believe if you are looking to use Point2 or any other software solution that you should also be looking at BAP as well before making the decision.

Whichever software/tool you choose in your business, the key is to use it consistently and stick to it. I see so many people going from program to program, tool to tool, always looking for the next best thing, the proverbial magic bullet. BAP is not a magic bullet, Point2 isn't a magic bullet. The real magic bullet is choosing a solid system, developing a solid marketing plan and most importantly IMPLEMENTING it consistently.

From Greene - "I don't know the name of the president of P2 and I have to get to my overnight leads, so I'll gracefully move on."

Actually, the President of Point2 is Saul Kline, who is also one of the founders and President of Internet Crusade.

I've known Saul personally for about 10 years and know he has been in the biz for about 35 years, starting as an agent, then a broker, then one of the two or three people on the leading edge of use of the internet for real estate.

Maybe it would be best - in my humble opinion - not to derail a thread about a certain topic - such as a specific question about P2A, and turn it into a fan club for another service.

But hey.

I will just post me experience. When agents join my company they always ask "How can I create sales".

Even if you TELL them how to create sales a few will do it and MOST will not. Instead they are happier to get the lead and pay a referral fee from their broker. All they want is a client handed to them ready to sell or buy.

In my opinion Greene and Perky find it hard to see why others are not doing what they are doing and generating leads. From my experience working with agents it is a simple answer.

Compared to most agents I see Perky and Greene are the exception not the rule to generating business. Most I find are like "deer in headlights" trying to find their way.

Point to Agent is popular because of the free site then they get you to upgrade to a regular,or a premium site.

I have been looking for years and used many systems and have found www.busyagentpro.com unmatched for what it offers in ONE place.

I found many great little tools but they were all over the place. Time is money and to increase my efficiency I was looking for ONE system to handle everything.

The way I explain anything to agents is look at your ROI. BAP is 67.00 a month times 12 is 804.00 a year. So I tell my agents if you do just one sale in a year using this system you have doubled your money.

I can say a key difference in point to and bap is how they are structured. BAP is more niche targeted marketing and point to is one site with a bunch of layers.

My point is if someone is directed to your site through SEO and when they get there they were searching say for investments and when they get there they see 100 pages for stuff that does not interest them or pertain to them they will go elsewhere.

Whatever system you use be a specialist with multiple websites for different buyers and sellers. Your websites will rank higher with more unique and relevant content to the search term and you will appear the expert instead of a generalist trying to be everything to everyone.

I love when agent join my company and I say "where areas do you sell in?" They say "I will go up to 8 counties away but that is my limit!"

I always fall over when I here this. They should be picking no more than 1 to 2 areas and mastering those areas. They need to be the "go to expert" in that area. Go to big and you don't have market penetration and your service area is too big and unmanageable.

So when creating a website wherever it is do these things.

1.Decide WHAT counties,cities you will specialize in.

2.Determine WHAT areas of real estate you are going to focus in on and be the expert in.

3.Pick a website or systems provider that DOES NOT lock you into long term or hard to cancel contracts.

4.Constantly track and tweek your ideas to look at conversions rates and how you can improve.

5.Have a battle plan and do not waver in getting it done. Consistency is the key to success. If you have the best idea in the world and only practice it sometimes you will get mixed results.

Case in point I watched a video of Michael Vick the other day. In his prime I didn't know he was so lazy. He was the first to leave and the last to arrive. Because of his great natural ability he did not push himself to a 1/10 of his potential. I he had what more he could have done with football is mind-boggling.

I hope these tips have helped.

I will say stay away from Craig Proctor that guy will nickel and dime you to death. If you have 5k to 10k it will be gone in about 3 months time. I learned that lesson years and years ago.