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#294061 - 06/08/09 11:38 AM never use your brokers name in your email or website!
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just wanted to throw it out there.


i constantly see people using their brokers name in their website, email or screennames.

remember that you will probably not be at that brokerage until hte day you retire. build your own brand instead of the brokerage brand.

when you leave that shop what do you want your past clients to remember? (your name or the brokerage name)

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#294062 - 06/08/09 11:42 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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This AMAZES me. When I do speaking engagements, I collect business cards from the audience and at least 90% of them have their broker's name as their email address. This is crazy. Once an email address gets stored in someone's address book, it's there forever.

I once got a "change of email address" notification from an agent who listed a subdivision. Her new address was sandra@nameofsubdivsion.com (mispelling intentional)! Email addresses should be as permanent as you can possible make them.

If you're on my mailing list, you'll be getting an email about this very topic tomorrow!
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#294065 - 06/08/09 11:50 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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^^^good stuff! people need to get that information.

it is a pet pieve of mine! i --hate-- seeing a new agent with name@brokerage.com

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#294066 - 06/08/09 11:53 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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I even make my agents put my name on their wedding invitations etc. It's all about me. If they don't like it, i'll send them to feed my pit bulldogs! Using MY NAME is a privilege. wink BigC
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#294067 - 06/08/09 11:55 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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This has become a bigger and bigger topic.

Most fat split brokerages tout "let us take care of you so that we can help you grow your business!"

What they are really saying is "let us incubate you a smuch as possible so that it is really hard to leave us for a better program company and they want it to hurt so you will stay"


Use to you could get away with things more as an agent. For instance on listing signs you would have broker number and info in mice type and your name bigger. Real estate commission redid the rules and said broker info must be on top and be of equal or greater size than agent contact info.

Now they never mentioned anything about websites and people use to put contact info in mice type at the bottom. Now commission is saying all social networking,blogging,websites have to have broker company logo etc. Now they don't police it as much but what most do is put in a hard to find place on the website for compliance.

The commission always wants this in case the consumer needs to contact the brokerage over issues they are having with agents.

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#294068 - 06/08/09 11:58 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Broker/Appraiser]
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Broker/Appraiser,

i figured that you are kidding, but have to ask...are you serious? i like what you post almost all of the time. i know that you joke quite often and am not sure if you really mean what you had just typed or not.

setting up an agent with an individual identity will help in the long term success of the agent.

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#294069 - 06/08/09 12:01 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: super realtor]
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At my prior brokerage, the broker wanted us all to do our email as myname@brokername.com. As stated above, when you leave a brokerage, what happens to all the emails people send you? Why your former broker gets them, that's what! I discovered that the office manager could access my email....guess that meant I would NEVER write anything that could possibly be considered confidential or controversial via that setup. Now I get my mail through gmail...and better yet to get it at myname@mycompanyname.com.

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#294071 - 06/08/09 12:13 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: neudot]
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firstname@firstlast.com

it will never change!

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#294074 - 06/08/09 12:23 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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I myself am thinking of joining a larger company. I asked about having my own website. He said that is fine, but they will give me a free one. And my personal website has to get approved. Their free ones are lousy, good for nothing things except ,I'm hoping, backlinks if they allow that. They also give you an e-mail address that is forwarded to an address of your own choosing. I wonder if somewhere in this companies system if they are keeping a copy of every e-mail sent you. But many agents are thrilled to have their own webpage that is provided by their company. In fact I think that is a recruiting point brokers try to use. I don't care much about that myself. Little do they know how useless they are. I agree with all said above about making your own identity.
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#294075 - 06/08/09 12:23 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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There is one good thing about changing your email address periodically...it takes the spamsters awhile to catch up with the new addresss...welcome relief!

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#294080 - 06/08/09 01:05 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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Originally Posted By: estatereal
Broker/Appraiser,

i figured that you are kidding, but have to ask...are you serious? i like what you post almost all of the time. i know that you joke quite often and am not sure if you really mean what you had just typed or not.

setting up an agent with an individual identity will help in the long term success of the agent.


Of course I'm kidding. My agents sub contractors. All I ask, is to be legal. BigC
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#294083 - 06/08/09 01:17 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Broker/Appraiser]
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lol...that is what i figured, but i was feeling kind of dense today!

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#294085 - 06/08/09 01:26 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Broker/Appraiser]
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What about if you own the company? Can you then use the brokerage's information?

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#294086 - 06/08/09 01:32 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: EXITREALTYNS]
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I own my own brokerage, but thinking of closing shop. Now I somewhat regret using my companies name in my e-mail. However I still will get any e-mail sent to me from it since I own the name. I will not just erase that e-mail address. So in anticipation I've started using another e-mail address.
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#294091 - 06/08/09 01:52 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: EXITREALTYNS]
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Originally Posted By: EXITREALTYNS
What about if you own the company? Can you then use the brokerage's information?



personally i am going to go this route.

my name is john smith. my email is

john@johnsmith.com

my brokerage would either be john smith real estate or smith real estate

so john@smithrealestate.com would be something that works for me. even if i were not a broker, i could or would use something like that.

same with phone numbers. i have an 800 number that i use. it has unlimited extensions. i use it now and if i were to open up my own shop there would be no need for people to get used to calling a different number to get hold of me.

point of this thread is this.

set yourself up for change (like broker says:-) <<<jk...could not resist

things always change. make it so that you can get larger or smaller or leave and start your own shop or change shops and have to change as few things as possible. make your numbers and email as permanent as you can

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#294110 - 06/08/09 03:32 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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One minor point ---

If you do use your own domain for email --- make sure you keep ownership of the domain.

I've seen many agents locally have a site with an individual email. Then, they let the site lapse and are frustrated that they lose the email.

The bottom line is that you must maintain the domain registration.
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#294111 - 06/08/09 03:33 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: staggart]
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^^^^^good point! same with a phone number!

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#294126 - 06/08/09 04:38 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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Having your own email address is cheap (compared to a lot of other things) and gives you the opportunity to brand yourself in every email.

For instance, If you are john@johnsmith.com you can set up an autosig with John@JohnSmith.com as your email address. The internet doesn't distinguish bewteen caps and lower case in email addresses.

For pretty cheap (less than $100 per year) you can then have that email forwarded to you normal email address (say forwarded to a comcast or yahoo or verizon or whatever address) that you get for free. And most forwarders will let you use "unlimited alias" so you can set up an email for each property or each subdivision you cover or each town you cover or whatever you wish.

The advantage is that you have a professional looking email address. That sure is a lot better than being something like bongoboy@bababooie.com, the type of email addresses I often see in print ads and on the MLS.
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#294162 - 06/08/09 09:07 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: PA Roadkill]
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if you set yourself up with google apps you can use gmail and have it properly branded (@yourdomain.com) rather than "so-and-so@gmail.com on behalf of so-and-so@yourdomain.com". Huge difference...and it's free!
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#294165 - 06/08/09 10:18 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Broker/Appraiser]
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Originally Posted By: Broker/Appraiser
I even make my agents put my name on their wedding invitations etc. It's all about me. If they don't like it, i'll send them to feed my pit bulldogs! Using MY NAME is a privilege. wink BigC


ROFL - this made me choke on my pretzel. Thanks for the laugh! LOL

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#294167 - 06/08/09 10:20 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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Originally Posted By: estatereal
Broker/Appraiser,

i figured that you are kidding, but have to ask...are you serious? i like what you post almost all of the time. i know that you joke quite often and am not sure if you really mean what you had just typed or not.

setting up an agent with an individual identity will help in the long term success of the agent.


You are silly, estatereal! LOL Of course he was kidding!

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#294168 - 06/08/09 10:30 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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lol...like i said...i was very, very dense today:-)

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#294196 - 06/09/09 07:41 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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When you use the company email address the company has the right to read and copy your emails. Some do, some don't.
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#294411 - 06/10/09 09:58 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: neudot]
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Aha, but if you're in Canada, the name@brokerage is almost de rigeur. Many agents have their own website instead of the one their brokerage makes available to them, but even then they'll often use the name@brokerage e-address.
Part of the reason -- and an important one -- is a legal requirement that the (real) agent is the brokerage not the agent him/herself. Moreover, every real estate firm has to be named and identified in its ads and websites as SucAndSuchBrokerage. This means an individual agent isn't allowed to advertise in his/he own name alone. The ad has to include the brokerage's name.
In effect, the law is that it's the brokerage NOT the agent that's seen as the (true) owner of any listing. Thus, if you want to change to another brokerage you cannot take your still active listings with you UNLESS you have your current Broker of Record's consent.
See, we Canucks DO do things differently, eh?

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#294414 - 06/10/09 10:20 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Duncan Pollock]
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We have similar rules - the brokerage must be prominently named in any and all ads - but we are allowed to have our own email addresses.

Doesn't sound much different to me - our law doesn't state we have to have a brokerage email address though. Just that the agent's name can not be alone, or more prominent than the brokerage name

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#294415 - 06/10/09 10:34 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Duncan Pollock]
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Originally Posted By: Duncan Pollock
Aha, but if you're in Canada, the name@brokerage is almost de rigeur. Many agents have their own website instead of the one their brokerage makes available to them, but even then they'll often use the name@brokerage e-address.
Part of the reason -- and an important one -- is a legal requirement that the (real) agent is the brokerage not the agent him/herself. Moreover, every real estate firm has to be named and identified in its ads and websites as SucAndSuchBrokerage. This means an individual agent isn't allowed to advertise in his/he own name alone. The ad has to include the brokerage's name.
In effect, the law is that it's the brokerage NOT the agent that's seen as the (true) owner of any listing. Thus, if you want to change to another brokerage you cannot take your still active listings with you UNLESS you have your current Broker of Record's consent.
See, we Canucks DO do things differently, eh?

Duncan


Duncan,

are you allowed to have a gmail account that you use as your primary email?

for exmple could you use >>>> duncan@gmail.com

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#294420 - 06/10/09 11:21 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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Originally Posted By: Jennifer Allan
This AMAZES me. When I do speaking engagements, I collect business cards from the audience and at least 90% of them have their broker's name as their email address. This is crazy. Once an email address gets stored in someone's address book, it's there forever.


I had bad experience with it, so now I do not use my brokers name on my e-mail address.
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#294451 - 06/11/09 07:59 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Duncan Pollock]
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Originally Posted By: Duncan Pollock
Part of the reason -- and an important one -- is a legal requirement that the (real) agent is the brokerage not the agent him/herself. Moreover, every real estate firm has to be named and identified in its ads and websites as SucAndSuchBrokerage. This means an individual agent isn't allowed to advertise in his/he own name alone. The ad has to include the brokerage's name.


Does this mean you can't put your personal cell number on your business cards?
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#294460 - 06/11/09 09:39 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Bigtoe]
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i asked about the gmail account. if you can have

agentname@gmail.com

you can have agentname@agentname.com


i could have read it wrong, but it sounded like the broker name had to be in the email.

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#294474 - 06/11/09 11:56 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Bigtoe]
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In my state, New York, at least, you CAN put your cell phone number on your business card...but the broker's phone number has to be there as well...and I think it has to be larger, but I'm not positive about that.

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#294476 - 06/11/09 12:09 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: neudot]
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Here you can have your cell on your business card. I do not think the brokerage has to be BIGGER but yours can't be bigger than the brokerage. Meaning, if there is prominence, it has to be given to the broker. I am 99% certain they can all be the same size.

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#294563 - 06/11/09 10:27 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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My business cards from NJ, broker name (logo) is biggest, my name is a little smaller, and the brokers address, office phone, office fax, my cell, and my email address (verizon email addy) are all a little smaller than my name, but the same size as each other.

I do have a broker-issued email address, but I use that to just get company emails and collect spam. I give everyone my verizon.net email that is tied to my home ISP.

My website domain is registered to me, but the template for the site is broker-branded with my own content mixed in, and they host it for me. Someday, when and if I go to another broker, I'll have to have someone build a site for me, basically copy my content from my existing website, and wait until my license is transferred to let it go live. Shouldn't be too hard, just "give me basically the same site, but change the broker name"

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#294582 - 06/12/09 12:30 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Rainbowtyedye]
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Our shop just merged with a big-name franchise which does not permit agents/ABs to put their own website on business cards, or their own email addresses, either. Neither do they permit any designations after your name. They do permit me to use "Associate Broker".

ALL websites MUST be name@firstname.lastname.com. So, we all had to go out and register those types of domains and have them forwarded to our personal websites. My website is 9 years old, and I was NOT going to give that up. Unfortunately, I can't have it on my business card.

My business card, as an advertising/branding tool is totally useless.

I still use my website domain name email addresses. I only use the company email address to keep up with what the main office sends me, nothing more than that.

It seemed to me that the Big Name Franchise doesn't understand the importance of agent marketing/branding. It seems as though they want us all to be part of The Borg. No individualism whatsoever. You spend years branding yourself, and it meant nothing to them. Even photos on the business cards had to be B&W. Looks soooooo 50's.

Nametags don't permit even the DB to have "Broker" under his name. His nametag looks the same as the receptionist's. I purely don't get it. I think it'd be important if you are the DB or an AB to have that on your nametag. I mean, you did work to get that. But, nooooooo.

The agents who had used the previous franchise's email address had to send out tons of change of em address notifications. That alone should have taught them not to do that again!

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#294631 - 06/12/09 11:19 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: DueDiligence]
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I've never been with a franchise office, but it seems to me, as an outsider looking in, that the franchise's priority is the franchise name. Agents come and go. But the BIG NAME is the one the franchise cares about... THEIR big name.

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#294632 - 06/12/09 11:24 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: neudot]
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negotiate it with your broker. i would not use thier stuff as it only benefits them.

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#294634 - 06/12/09 12:16 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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I would quit and move to another brokerage immediately.

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#294635 - 06/12/09 12:21 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
I would quit and move to another brokerage immediately.


Ditto
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#294644 - 06/12/09 03:05 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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I felt the same way when I read the post about the franchise rules. Sounds a little too much Big Brother for me.
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#294694 - 06/12/09 10:31 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: PA Roadkill]
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^^^^^^^^^^^same...i would be gone too!

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#295092 - 06/16/09 01:45 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
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Post caught my eye. Seems like some very bad blanket statement advice. Real estate advertising varies from State to State. You would want to check with your state's Real Estate Commission before you take any advice given outside of the rules you are bound to by both your Broker and your State's commission.

It is possible that it may be fine to leave out your Broker from your email. Your real estate web site, however, would be different, since of course you would be advertising real estate on your site (I hope). In this event, here is a snippet from my State's RE advertising law:

Quote:
Rule 520-1-.09 (1) Media. This rule regulates advertising whether done personally by a licensee or through any media. The term “media” includes, but is not limited to, print, photographic, broadcast, and computer media including, but not limited to, such examples as newspapers, magazines, flyers, posters, business cards, billboards, radio, television, signs (including, but not limited to, office, directional, for sale, for lease, sold, or vehicle signs) , newsletters, and the Internet.

[Editor's Note: (New language is underscored. Deleted language is struck through . Unchanged language is not marked.)

Required that when licensees advertise a specific property or properties for sale, for rent, or for exchange, the name of the licensed firm offering the property must appear in equal or greater size, prominence, and frequency than the name or names of any affiliated licensees or groups of licensees.

Rule 520-1-.09 (7) Firm Names and Telephone Numbers in Advertising. In advertising a specific property or specific properties for sale, for rent, or for exchange in any media:

(a) all firms must include in the advertisement a name of the firm that is registered with the Commission and a telephone number for the firm, except when complying with lawful restrictions (such as covenants or local governmental ordinances) that forbid the use of the firm's name on a particular type of sign;

(b) the name of the licensed firm offering the property for sale, for rent, or for exchange shall appear in equal or greater size, prominence, and frequency than the name or names of any affiliated licensee or groups of licensees;

(c) the firm's telephone number shall appear in equal or greater size, prominence, and frequency than the telephone number of any affiliated licensee or groups of licensees, and it must be a number at which the public can reach the broker or a manager without going through the affiliated licensee(s) listed in the advertisement;

(d) whether contained in a logo or standing alone, the name of the firm as registered with the Commission must be in equal or greater size, prominence, and frequency than the name of any affiliated licensee or group of licensees; and

(e) a block advertisement in any print media that advertises various listings of a brokerage firm and includes the name of the listing agent next to each listing shall be in compliance with this rule if the name of the brokerage firm appears only once at the top of the advertisement in equal or greater prominence and print size than any of the listing agent's names. The firm's name may be located in other positions in such block advertisements if the firm name appears clearly larger and more prominently than the name of any other licensee in the advertisement.

Note: The broker may always impose more stringent requirements as company policy.


Regards.

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#295192 - 06/17/09 07:30 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Integrity1]
Bigtoe Offline
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Originally Posted By: Integrity1
Post caught my eye. Seems like some very bad blanket statement advice. Real estate advertising varies from State to State. You would want to check with your state's Real Estate Commission before you take any advice given outside of the rules you are bound to by both your Broker and your State's commission.

It is possible that it may be fine to leave out your Broker from your email. Your real estate web site, however, would be different, since of course you would be advertising real estate on your site (I hope). In this event, here is a snippet from my State's RE advertising law:

Regards.


There is nothing here that would even imply that you have to use your broker's email address.
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#295197 - 06/17/09 07:59 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Bigtoe]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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I do not think anyone implied on here that you should not put your broker's information on your website.

The point was not to use a broker provided email address or broker provided website.

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#295199 - 06/17/09 08:03 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Bigtoe]
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Real estate agents choose where to place their licenses, so why would anyone choose to work at a brokerage that mandates a specific email address? I can certainly understand regulation of the corporate logo usage, but mandating individual email addresses goes too far.

I choose to work at a "name brand" brokerage, rather than setting up my own shop, but I established my own domain name and address when I first went into real estate. I intend to keep that email address where ever I go. I just won't go anywhere that will not allow me to do so.
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#295221 - 06/17/09 10:37 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
Integrity1 Offline
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Ah, I read the post title as, "never use your brokers name in your email or website!" maybe it should read, "don't use your broker's name as part of your email address or domain name unless you have to" as there were several posts talking about size of logo and such (referring to content).

There doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory against the big bad broker. Many agents want to have the instant name recognition of their very popular, well known, trusted Brokerage name. When we join together under our Broker putting our team's name out there as much as possible, collectively we can create a positive presence for the team as a whole, and will be greater standing together as one, than a bunch of "every man for himself'ers."

When I was under a Broker, I played along with a team spirit. It was her brokerage name in my emails, business cards, web site, her office phone number, etc. While I was on that team and paying my dues (figuratively and literally), I helped build that team. I was confident enough that one day when I left (she knew that was my intention from day one - I don't promise infinite employment but I do promise team spirit), that people would remember me from that great team, and would continue to do business with me - and I was right. Bottom line is: when I was on a team, I was totally committed to that team.

The more you disassociate yourself with the Broker's established brand (no broker name in email address, no broker name in domain name, or wherever it may be permissible) the more you lose their Brand, and less of a team Brand you will help create.

With that mentality, when/if you are all on your own, I hope you get a bunch of agents just like you. Maybe then you'll understand what it's all about.

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#295229 - 06/17/09 11:40 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Integrity1]
REODayton Offline
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I understand the whole team thing, branding thing, etc. as an agent. I can see the brokers side wanting a consistant branding. I've talked to brokers who said no way I could use my own email address or website, It came from the company. It was not a fit for me.

Im a fan of buying used cars. I have a salesman that I trust, he has served my family over many years. I have given his card out to many people. Over the years, he has changed dealerships. My last truck I bought from him was an F-150. He worked at a GM dealership. I called him on his cell phone, not the Company Number. I told him what I was looking for and guess what, he found what I wanted. When I felt like his dealership was raking me over the coals for a repair he went over and talked to the service people, came back and said take it to this place, they are waiting for you and alot cheaper.

The point being building a "Team Image" only makes the Broker money. So when I leave the brokerage I want my clients to remember ME as an agent, not the company. I want them to call me directly, email me directly. I do not want my clients calling into my brokerage office. If I was a broker, I guess I would want that kind of control. As an agent I will not give up that kind of control.

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#295234 - 06/17/09 12:01 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: REODayton]
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The point being building a "Team Image" only makes the Broker money. So when I leave the brokerage I want my clients to remember ME as an agent, not the company. I want them to call me directly, email me directly. I do not want my clients calling into my brokerage office. If I was a broker, I guess I would want that kind of control. As an agent I will not give up that kind of control.


^^^Thanks REODayton. that was the intent of starthing this thread.

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#295236 - 06/17/09 12:08 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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If you look at my website, you will see my broker info all over it. I am part of the team....

However, if I were to leave this office, I don't have to worry about emails sent to Perky_Realtor@weichert.com being given to someone else at my old office...emails people send to me will get to me because it will be Perky_realtor@myemailaddress.com.

My website is not "weichert.perky_realtor.com" or "weichert.com/perky_realtor." So when and if I leave my office, my website will still be "www.perky_realtor.com" and will have my new brokerage info and logo all over it.

Being a team player has nothing to do with it - it's all about being a smart business person and not working to build something that will crumble just because you switched brokerages.

*email address and domain names used above are NOT real...for illustrative purposes only...lol

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#295237 - 06/17/09 12:11 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Integrity1]
estatereal Offline
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Originally Posted By: Integrity1
Ah, I read the post title as, "never use your brokers name in your email or website!" maybe it should read, "don't use your broker's name as part of your email address or domain name unless you have to" as there were several posts talking about size of logo and such (referring to content).

There doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory against the big bad broker. Many agents want to have the instant name recognition of their very popular, well known, trusted Brokerage name. When we join together under our Broker putting our team's name out there as much as possible, collectively we can create a positive presence for the team as a whole, and will be greater standing together as one, than a bunch of "every man for himself'ers."

When I was under a Broker, I played along with a team spirit. It was her brokerage name in my emails, business cards, web site, her office phone number, etc. While I was on that team and paying my dues (figuratively and literally), I helped build that team. I was confident enough that one day when I left (she knew that was my intention from day one - I don't promise infinite employment but I do promise team spirit), that people would remember me from that great team, and would continue to do business with me - and I was right. Bottom line is: when I was on a team, I was totally committed to that team.

The more you disassociate yourself with the Broker's established brand (no broker name in email address, no broker name in domain name, or wherever it may be permissible) the more you lose their Brand, and less of a team Brand you will help create.

With that mentality, when/if you are all on your own, I hope you get a bunch of agents just like you. Maybe then you'll understand what it's all about.



*************what is your email and website address?*********************


you dont have to give it out..use an example.

mine is

email: first@firstlast.com
website: firstlast.com

it has stayed with me through several broker changes and i have never lost a lead from having a company email address

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#295247 - 06/17/09 02:24 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: REODayton]
Integrity1 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 78
Loc: USA
Quote:
I understand the whole team thing, branding thing, etc. as an agent. I can see the brokers side wanting a consistant branding. I've talked to brokers who said no way I could use my own email address or website, It came from the company. It was not a fit for me.


It's not about you when you are trying to join a team. It's about what is best for the whole (being a part of your Broker's team). I'm sure those Brokers felt the same way about the non fit.

Quote:
Im a fan of buying used cars. I have a salesman that I trust, he has served my family over many years. I have given his card out to many people. Over the years, he has changed dealerships. My last truck I bought from him was an F-150. He worked at a GM dealership. I called him on his cell phone, not the Company Number. I told him what I was looking for and guess what, he found what I wanted. When I felt like his dealership was raking me over the coals for a repair he went over and talked to the service people, came back and said take it to this place, they are waiting for you and alot cheaper.


Trust? Sounds like your used car salesman did a good job of creating a false sense of trust - and you bought that too. In your example, you've shown his blatant lack of loyalty to his company. You keep thinking he's just oh so concerned about you though. What he's demonstrated is his loyalty for your dollar - he lacks principle and integrity. He'll do whatever it takes, including sending customers to competing businesses, just so he can still make a buck off of you. Yeah, that's a guy you can trust. Doesn't surprise me one bit that you feel that way. I don't measure a man by what he can do for me and what's in it for me, I measure a man by how he holds to his integrity, even when faced with the temptation of money, or losing money. The irony in that example is this: you do know GM recently filed for bankruptcy, right? How much of your salesperson's behavior of sending you and every other customer to a competitor helped keep them out of financial ruin? It doesn't take a whole lot of people to adopt that way of thinking to bring a company down.

Quote:
The point being building a "Team Image" only makes the Broker money. So when I leave the brokerage I want my clients to remember ME as an agent, not the company. I want them to call me directly, email me directly. I do not want my clients calling into my brokerage office. If I was a broker, I guess I would want that kind of control. As an agent I will not give up that kind of control.


All of that last paragraph sounds like you are operating from a scarcity principle, full of fear, and lack confidence. Making the Broker money = makes you money; it's a team effort. You are focusing on the wrong things. Me me me! Those are not *your* clients - you are an extension of your Broker. If you create something spectacular while on your team, people will remember you - in fact, they'll come looking for you. If you are in fear that "your" customers will call your broker instead of looking for you, and you actually "lose" them, then what does that say about your impression? The effort they make to find you will be directly proportionate to the impression they had of you. You're really not losing anything at all.

If you focus on interdependency instead of independence you can achieve greater success.

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#295248 - 06/17/09 02:30 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
Integrity1 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 78
Loc: USA
Quote:
Thanks REODayton. that was the intent of starthing this thread.


Well, I start threads for discussion, including views from both sides of the fence. Sounds like you started this thread looking for "yes" men. I apologize, for I am not one of those men.

Regards.

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#295257 - 06/17/09 04:09 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Integrity1]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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The salesman has a fiduciary duty to whom?

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#295294 - 06/17/09 08:27 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
estatereal Offline
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Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 2747
Loc: LAND OF THE FREE!
Originally Posted By: estatereal
Originally Posted By: Integrity1
Ah, I read the post title as, "never use your brokers name in your email or website!" maybe it should read, "don't use your broker's name as part of your email address or domain name unless you have to" as there were several posts talking about size of logo and such (referring to content).

There doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory against the big bad broker. Many agents want to have the instant name recognition of their very popular, well known, trusted Brokerage name. When we join together under our Broker putting our team's name out there as much as possible, collectively we can create a positive presence for the team as a whole, and will be greater standing together as one, than a bunch of "every man for himself'ers."

When I was under a Broker, I played along with a team spirit. It was her brokerage name in my emails, business cards, web site, her office phone number, etc. While I was on that team and paying my dues (figuratively and literally), I helped build that team. I was confident enough that one day when I left (she knew that was my intention from day one - I don't promise infinite employment but I do promise team spirit), that people would remember me from that great team, and would continue to do business with me - and I was right. Bottom line is: when I was on a team, I was totally committed to that team.

The more you disassociate yourself with the Broker's established brand (no broker name in email address, no broker name in domain name, or wherever it may be permissible) the more you lose their Brand, and less of a team Brand you will help create.

With that mentality, when/if you are all on your own, I hope you get a bunch of agents just like you. Maybe then you'll understand what it's all about.



*************what is your email and website address?*********************


you dont have to give it out..use an example.

mine is

email: first@firstlast.com
website: firstlast.com

it has stayed with me through several broker changes and i have never lost a lead from having a company email address


?

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#295296 - 06/17/09 08:33 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Integrity1]
estatereal Offline
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Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 2747
Loc: LAND OF THE FREE!
Originally Posted By: Integrity1
Quote:
Thanks REODayton. that was the intent of starthing this thread.


Well, I start threads for discussion, including views from both sides of the fence. Sounds like you started this thread looking for "yes" men. I apologize, for I am not one of those men.

Regards.


REO spelled it out a littlbe bit better than i would have and i was simply saying thank you.

the thread could have been named a little bit better, sure. it could have said email or domain instead it said "never use your brokers name in your email or website!"

the intent of making the thread is because i see a lot of agents who are not practicing from day 1 individual branding that will go with them for their entire career. my intentions were nothing more than helping others to avoid a mistake that i see many agents fall into. nothing more, nothing less.

it makes me feel good to help somoene if i can so i made the thread ot help people. lets face it. when your new and you need an email address "most" brokers wont teach you how to brand yourself so that you have mobility. i think long term and when i have the opportunity to teach someone something that has paid off for me i will always go that route. i follow the golden rule.

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#295297 - 06/17/09 08:34 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: estatereal]
estatereal Offline
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I would like ot see the view from the other side of the fence


***can you give me a reason why an agent would want ot use a broker name in thier email or domain and tell me how that would benefit hte agent long term.***


Edited by estatereal (06/17/09 08:35 PM)

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#295711 - 06/22/09 03:50 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: neudot]
Duncan Pollock Offline
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Posts: 148
Loc: Ontario, Canada
No problem with putting/including your cell number anywhere.
But RECO (the Real Estate Council of Ontario) is becoming more strict about things all the time. Just one example is the fact that you can no longer show yourself as an agent for "Such and Such Real Estate" on your business cards, letterheads, website, or even in e-mail signatures. Everything now has to read "Such and Such Real Estate, Brokerage".
I must admit that our other provincial real estate assocations may not be so picky, but CREA (Canadian Real Estate Association) has an overall policy of "Do It By The Book or Don't Do It At All" -- and this sets the expected standards for all Canadian real estate boards.
Over-governing perhaps, but it's part of a growing bureaucratic belief that "you gotta protect Joe and Joanne Q, Public" from all the tricks that businesses (including real estate) have a weaknesses for pulling (in bureaucratic minds at least).

Duncan
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#296246 - 06/26/09 08:08 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: Duncan Pollock]
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Registered: 05/13/06
Posts: 105
Loc: NJ
My company changed the rules after I'd been there a couple of years, got my own website and email address. They now refuse to put anything other than "name@company.com" on business cards. And in any other regard, agents are the lowest of the low, all their efforts go into pushing members of the public to their lead capture center.

It's tedious and selfish. And if I really cared any more I'd leave, but the hassle isn't worth it. I may be about to throw in the towel.

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#296282 - 06/27/09 12:58 AM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: undercoveragent]
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Agents never feel that way about my brokerage. I make it all about them. If you take care of agents they will return the favor.If you treat them like crap they will return the favor. It's called KARMA and it really is that simple.

What your state real estate commission say is THE LAW and everyone follows it. Having said that there is a distinct difference between advertising and disclosure laws and additional restrictions place in IC agreements by your broker for their personal company and profit gain.

If you don't like those terms leave and go elsewhere but real estate commission laws will remain the same from broker to broker in your state..

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#296344 - 06/27/09 06:58 PM Re: never use your brokers name in your email or website! [Re: super realtor]
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^Super, you nailed it. Treat your agents well and they will be loyal.

In the 2 years I've been at my office, the only agents I've seen leave are ones who just quit all together. Our brokerage is good to us, gives us the help we need, treats us very well.

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