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#280731 - 03/11/09 04:44 PM
Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
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Junior Member
Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 4
Loc: MN
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I purchased a home in MN. Home was marketed (FSBO)as complete remodel. Seller's Disclosure was spotless. I had a non-invasive inspection. Some itesm were discovered that negated the disclosure and a copy was given to the Seller. Seller agreed to give $$ to Buyer to repair some of the items. Home closed. I discovered remodel was done by Seller (not disclosed). I had purchased (unknowingly) a DIY House!! I hired Contractor to complete the repairs agreed upon and more items were revealed during repair that were not disclosed nor would have been discovered in a non-invasive inspection. I had Atttorney draft letter to Seller explaining the items we had agreed to repair were more in depth then the inspection had noted and we foud out he had completed the work and therefore had specific knowledge of all items showing up in report. Seller was asked in letter to repair items as well as new items which had been revealed or Arbitration would follow. Seller argued he had "disclosed" to me through my inspection. What duty does the Seller have to disclose after he receives copy of buyer inspection and clearly knew these items were going to show up as he did the work and still did not disclose. What duty does the buyer have in regards to an inspection? Arbitration paperwork has been filed.
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#280754 - 03/11/09 06:29 PM
Re: Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
[Re: confused]
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Tough to make a comment on this without knowing more facts and Minnesota real estate law.
Since you're represented by an attorney my suggestion is to let them represent you and see if they can't get relief for you.
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#280852 - 03/12/09 12:47 AM
Re: Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
[Re: confused]
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Registered: 11/06/07
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Loc: Nevada
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I purchased a home in MN. Home was marketed (FSBO)as complete remodel. Seller's Disclosure was spotless. I had a non-invasive inspection. Some itesm were discovered that negated the disclosure and a copy was given to the Seller. Seller agreed to give $$ to Buyer to repair some of the items. Home closed. I discovered remodel was done by Seller (not disclosed). I had purchased (unknowingly) a DIY House!! I hired Contractor to complete the repairs agreed upon and more items were revealed during repair that were not disclosed nor would have been discovered in a non-invasive inspection. I had Atttorney draft letter to Seller explaining the items we had agreed to repair were more in depth then the inspection had noted and we foud out he had completed the work and therefore had specific knowledge of all items showing up in report. Seller was asked in letter to repair items as well as new items which had been revealed or Arbitration would follow. Seller argued he had "disclosed" to me through my inspection. What duty does the Seller have to disclose after he receives copy of buyer inspection and clearly knew these items were going to show up as he did the work and still did not disclose. What duty does the buyer have in regards to an inspection? Arbitration paperwork has been filed. generally, seller and seller's agent have an AFFIRMATIVE duty to disclose all known defects. your inspection had no effect on the seller's statutory duty to disclose. seller clearly had direct knowledge of repairs and defects that your initial inspection did not reveal at that time. no legal advice intended
Edited by shana (03/12/09 12:50 AM)
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#280920 - 03/12/09 10:55 AM
Re: Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
[Re: super realtor]
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Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 4
Loc: MN
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Thank you for your response. The Seller did do the remodel, proven by my pulling copies of his permits and receiving blueprints AFTER the closing.
We both agreed to the Arbiration Clause, so I have filed and should have my hearing within the next month.
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#281863 - 03/17/09 03:38 PM
Re: Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
[Re: Don Price (Pine)]
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Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 4
Loc: MN
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I appreciate your response. The property was marketed as a complete remodel and by a reputable Contractor and meeting 2005 Building standards. I did not know the only portion completed by the Contractor was the roof and the new slab...all the remainder of the work was completed by the Seller. Blueprints, etc. were turned over to me after the closing. Since the closing, I have found an illegal water shut off valve that was covered in a hole, I now have wall and ceiling staining due to inadequate insulation (not to code although he states the property meets 2005 Building Standards), the dryer was not installed per manufacturer's guidelines, the driveway is a lake with water running into the garage, etc. The Seller disclosed nothing. Had I known the Seller had done all the work (no prior building knowledge and along with his friends), I would have had more than a visual inspection and quite honestly, probably would have "passed" on the Property. I had no intention of purchasing a DIY house.
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#282095 - 03/18/09 03:55 PM
Re: Seller (non)Disclosure and Buyer Home Inspection
[Re: Alan From Florida]
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Junior Member
Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 4
Loc: MN
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I apologize for confusing you..it's so complicated. Events: 1.Property advertised by Seller (FSBO)as complete remodel by reputable Contractor. Seller's disclosure spotless. Seller disclosure states all new plumbing. Marketing material state home meets 2005 Building standards 2. I write PA. Contingent on buyer non-invasive inspection. 3. Inspection unveils a few issues; missing clean out plug to sewer drain, dryer ductwork not to code (other minor I won't mention). Seller doesn't have time to repair and offers me $500 to fix the above items. Agreed. 4. Property closes. I contact plumber to add clean out plug to sewer drain. Plumber finds drain inoperable, corroded shut and is original drain. Needs more than just drain plug. (Disclosure stated all new plumbing and Seller ran drip lines from HVAC to this drain). 5. I contact HVAC company to change out dryer ductwork to metal. Dryer wasn't vented properly to begin with per manufacturer's specs. Both items more than $500 to fix. (Seller installed dryer) 6. I contact City Inspector to get copy of permits pulled for Property. Seller did all work on home (except for roof and buiding of slab completed by licensed Contractor). Seller never diclosed. 7. Since Seller did all the work, he was aware of incorrect dryer ductowrk, leading drip lines to inoperable drain and all other items which have been "discovered" since then. These items are material facts which were never disclosed. 8. Attorney writes letter to Seller giving him chance to rectify items (there were more) or we go to arbitration (paperword signed). 9. Seller sends letter back stating my inspection discovered these items and therefore he did not need to disclose any further. 10. MN statute states Seller must disclose and contradict any findings contrary to original disclosure if given copy of inspection report (he received). If any "facts" on disclosure change, they must be updated up to the date of closing. Buyer inspection does not take place of Seller's non-discloure.
Blueprints of remodel showing items Contractor completed and items Seller completed not received until after closing. Since closing, more items (which would be considered material facts as they have affected my ordinary use of the property) have been discovered. The Seller had specific knowledge of all items in dispute as he completed them. He basically "built" the house.
Hope this explains things more precisely.
Thank you for your time in reading and your previous response.
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