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#277276 - 02/21/09 08:11 PM USDA Loans
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Who pays what closing costs on USDA Loans?
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#277728 - 02/24/09 09:34 AM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Shelby]
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Closing Costs are handled the same way as any other loan.


Seller is allowed to pay all the closing costs. However, most lenders cap it at 6% of the purchase price.

A 2% funding fee applies but is allowed to be financed on top of the 100% loan.

No mortgage insurance.

Wonderful program. Have any other questions?
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#285576 - 04/09/09 05:44 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Greg Phillips]
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Greg is right on. Just a little FYI, you can actually finance into the loan some repairs to the home. There are some restrictions such as the repairs need to be done very shortly after closing (I believe within 15 days) as well as the type repairs. This is rare today.
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#286250 - 04/15/09 05:46 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: rono]
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You have 3 months to complete repairs. It sometimes can be longer depending on the repair and if the weather permits the repair within that time frame. The repairs are usually restricted to only those making the home adhere to the property standards of the program.
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#356708 - 11/04/10 08:07 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Greg Phillips]
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Do you know if there has to be a stove and refridgerator in the home during the appraisal to pass for USDA?

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#356715 - 11/04/10 08:51 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: FLBPOREALTOR]
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I know a fridge is not required, and I don't think the stove is either, but not sure about that.

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#357437 - 11/11/10 02:59 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: droll]
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Neither are required.
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#382317 - 07/08/11 02:11 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Shelby]
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I helped a young family buy a home with a USDA loan a few months back. It was a great fit for them.

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#382364 - 07/08/11 07:52 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Zach Sikes]
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Whoever would like to answer...are you sure that appliances aren't a "market-specific" requirement?

Here in VA, I've had buyers with all loans except USDA-RD loans and they all require stove/oven, refrigerator, and, dishwasher (built-in) if there's supposed to be one.

Just wondering - I list their foreclosures, but, I try not to do dual agency.

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#386898 - 08/17/11 11:18 AM Re: USDA Loans [Re: VABroker]
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If local or state law mandates it, then it is a requirement, but it is not a USDA requirement. Only applicances that are built into the house would be required. If a person pulls the counter-top mounted stove off the counter in a home they lived in before selling it, USDA will require that it be replaced, or that a new counter top be installed.


As mentioned above, USDA permits you to finance all USDA required repairs up to 100% of the appraised value + the 3.5% funding fee on top. However, many lenders restrict this to only items that cannot be repaired prior to closing due to weather related issues; like a roof replacement in the winter.

Did you know that the seller does not even have to pay closing costs? You can finance those up to 100% of the appraised value too, but most people just have the seller pay them because you won't know the appraised value up front.
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#386938 - 08/17/11 03:26 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Greg Phillips]
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But a built-in countertop stove is obvious...I'm thinking a regular, slide-in refrigerator? Regular, slide-in stove with oven? Sorry, it is in Virginia. I see you're Ohio.


Edited by VABroker (08/17/11 03:27 PM)

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#386948 - 08/17/11 04:24 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Shelby]
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USDA guidelines are vanilla when it comes to accepting a homes condition. They follow FHA guidelines. If I were you, I would contact your regional USDA office and ask them to provide you with documentation supporting that neither item is a requirement unless it is a part of the house as in attached to the home.

Use this documentation to fight an appraiser who is not aware of the exact guidelines or a lender who says USDA requires it. I will sift through the thousands of pages in their guidelines and try to get this for you, but it may take me a few days to get to it.

I will just do it now. Here is what I could find in the 4150.2. If the appraiser considers the appliance a part of the home, then it would be contributing to the value of the home. All the appraiser needs to do is place a p on the report and make a comment about no value was given to the appliances.

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Appliances
Make an entry [X] in the boxes to indicate that these items exist. An entry in a box means that the item was considered part of the real estate and is included in the value. If an item is personal property, put a "P" in the box and do not include it in the opinion of value.
Field
Protocol
Refrigerator
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Range/Oven
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Dishwasher
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Disposal
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Fan/Hood
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Microwave
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Washer/Dryer
Enter "X" if this item exists. Enter "P" if personal property.
Other
Enter "X" for existing item not listed above and describe. Do not include personalty.
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#386984 - 08/17/11 07:17 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Greg Phillips]
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I, like you, will have to research more - exactly what is real estate and what is personal property. I understand items being "attached" to the property is usually considered real estate, but, I don't consider a plug-in stove or refrigerator really as an attached item.

Like you, I'll look around tomorrow.

I could call the local office. As far as everything else goes, I've always based most conditions on FHA or VA standards to be safe.

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#386995 - 08/17/11 08:07 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Shelby]
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I'm working a 100% financing deal right now with a USDA Rural Development Guaranteed Loan.

The Borrower makes nearly $50,000 per year teaching school and has over $400,000 in her 401K . . . . but she's wanting this Zero Down Payment Loan, and it's probably going to fly.

One fly in the ointment is that they're now saying that the H2O test must be for not only E.Coli and Total Coli Form; but it must also test for the presence of Lead, Nitrates and Nitrites . . . . but they don't bother to tell us what the tolerance levels are.

How can you have a test if you don't know what level constitutes a pass and what would be a failure ?
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#387200 - 08/19/11 01:54 PM Re: USDA Loans [Re: Vermont]
Greg Phillips Offline
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I believe the health department is who will tell you if the levels are safe. Ask them. USDA does not have a set guideline for tolerance levels of bacteria in water.

I know VA, very vague, but it is all up to the appraiser. Everyone is scared and cautious. Look at the vague guidelines and you can see why someone would err on the side of caution.
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