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#296522 - 06/29/09 05:11 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: ]
PhoenixReo Offline
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Registered: 05/11/09
Posts: 122
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

You almost had me won over until you began crowing about your profitablity and slamming agents for wasting your time because your lock boxes don't work or are hidden somewhere on the property other than being placed on the front door where it should be.

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#297094 - 07/04/09 01:14 AM Re: AHMSI [Re: PhoenixReo]
orlrealtor Offline
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Registered: 03/26/08
Posts: 64
Loc: Florida, Orlando
I am sorry to say both AHSMI and FAS are doing a terrible job. I have an active bee problem inside one of my houses. It is under contract and I cannot get either party to call each other. It is crazy. I email and call them everyday with no response and no help. I will have to get the work done myself and not get paid back. No other way to get the job done.

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#297095 - 07/04/09 01:55 AM Re: AHMSI [Re: orlrealtor]
bratchny Offline
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Registered: 06/12/07
Posts: 64
Loc: SF Bay Area,CA
I am an agent who lists REO homes and other agents waste my time constantly because they can't do the simplest things like open a lockbox. They seem to throw their hands up in the air and give up at the slightest difficulty. There are some good agents but lots of agents are so stupid I'm surprised they remember to breath.

Plus whats wrong with talking about profits. Profits rock.


Edited by bratchny (07/04/09 01:55 AM)

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#297118 - 07/04/09 09:01 AM Re: AHMSI [Re: bratchny]
PhoenixReo Offline
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Registered: 05/11/09
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: bratchny
I am an agent who lists REO homes and other agents waste my time constantly because they can't do the simplest things like open a lockbox. They seem to throw their hands up in the air and give up at the slightest difficulty. There are some good agents but lots of agents are so stupid I'm surprised they remember to breath.

Plus whats wrong with talking about profits. Profits rock.


Yes, you are right. There are a lot of agents that may need your help about simple issue. But some of them might actually have buyers that may buy your listing. I know of some REO agents who don’t get their listings shown because they are rude to callers, don’t respond to e-mails, don’t maintain their listings, etc. Each time the phone rings is an opportunity to sell a property, regardless of your opinion of how smart the agent is. You can choose to deal with it as an interruption or an opportunity to sell… whichever you like.
As far as profits are concerned, you are right again. Profits rock, except when they are generated based on certain levels of performance expectations that are rarely met because contractors are unskilled, unreliable, underpaid and generally do crappy work. Do you think that companies such as FAS promise poor quality work to their clients? No, they make work quality promises that they consistently do not meet. In other words, their clients are not getting the level of service that they are promised or are paying for. A business model that assumes good quality work from lowest, unsupervised bidders is bound to fail. At some point, their clients will become dissatisfied and find another option where they will get higher quality performance with fewer hassles.

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#297120 - 07/04/09 09:28 AM Re: AHMSI [Re: PhoenixReo]
allREOpreserv Offline
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Posts: 618
Loc: Nationwide
Originally Posted By: PhoenixReo
You almost had me won over until you began crowing about your profitablity and slamming agents for wasting your time.


I was thinking the same thing, PhoenixREO. After reading his first post, I thought he might be one of the good guys and seemed genuinely concerned about taking care of agents quickly. Now I see that he only wants to "get them out of his hair".

The problem with that attitude is that you never build a good working relationship with anyone and the key to getting the job done right is to work together to resolve issues. Keeping the lines of communication open and having the ability to bend and flex with each situation to everyone's mutual satisfaction is one of the most important aspects of running a successful business.

Bratchny ~ there's nothing wrong with recording a profit.

The issue I have is in how one makes that profit. If you're making money off the back of others by paying less than the job is worth or less than you originally agreed to, then turning around and billing the client for the full amount, I say that's wrong.

Not only will you lose good, reliable vendors but you run the risk of eventually losing the client if the vendors start to lose interest in doing the best they can.

I have over 250 vendors across the nation. Several of the vendors who started with me have already been terminated for shoddy work, bad photos, and milking the system. One thing I won't tolerate is a liar and a cheat. The good ones, however, are kept busy as many days of the week they want to work, providing the work is there. They get paid as soon as the checks come in from the clients and I haven't heard one complaint about the money yet. I don't find ways to penalize or cut what I owe them and they continue to provide good quality work on a consistent basis.

We may not be as profitable as many of the other companies out there but we give the clients and vendors BOTH what they need. No complaint from either side is viewed as trivial and we don't want to "get them out of our hair".

We have great clients and, as long as they're happy, we continue to receive work.


Linda
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All REO Preservation Services
A+ Property Preservation Group [Nationwide]
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#297132 - 07/04/09 10:09 AM Re: AHMSI [Re: PhoenixReo]
shana Offline
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Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 991
Loc: Nevada

Atex has been indoctrinated with the typical corporate mentality. they are big, the vendor is small, the vendor doesn't matter. it's nothing but a bad attitude, and like I said before, the "exclusive national contracts" encourage that mentality by stifling competition and accountability.

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#303646 - 08/23/09 02:40 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: ]
skighee Offline
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Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 28
Loc: USA
Keep making excuses, that is the FAS way. You guys hire crack heads for vendors and the only reason you get crackheads is because you obviously dont pay anything to the vendors as you brag about your record profits. Now it is taking 2-3 weeks to get utilities on, if you can even get them on as FAS can even get utilites turned on from all your late pays. The work is a joke from no keys in your lcokboxes to appliance stealing. You can send in pictures of the poor work and stolen appliances and it always comes back to the agent is lying! I beg you to come out with us in the field for a week and see what it is like. And yes we email, 4-5 requests, and still never get a response from your just out of college asset managers. Bottom line, FAS is complete joke...if you think you do such a great job then why dont you send out a survey to all the cooperating agents?

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#303666 - 08/23/09 08:09 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: skighee]
Grampa Offline
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Registered: 06/30/09
Posts: 1064
Loc: Margaritaville
Went to a FAS preserved property today to take BPO photos for a BPO I was going to input tonight due to being due. Lockbox was open and missing the key. Now my BPO will be late.

Called FAS "24 hour hotline". Got voice mail which (based on the last 4 times I have left messages) I know I will not get a response to, so I did not even bother to leave a message this time. 24 hour hotline was great until a few weeks ago. I used to always get a human or at least a call returned in a reasonable amount of time don't know what happened.

I must agree with the utilities issues as we sell our REO in just a few days usually and have issues with inspection periods due to no utilities. Water is much worse to get on than electricity.

But, that is the current reality and that is what we deal with good, bad or indifferent.
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#303671 - 08/23/09 08:50 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: ]
Grampa Offline
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Loc: Margaritaville


I have worked with AHMSI for some time and was with them when they added FAS and when they moved to Texas.

After reading your post I must say that from what I have seen that what you have posted is accurate. I do have a tough time feeling sorry about the mandatory Saturdays and the 55 hour weeks as it is closer to 12+ hours per day (with 18 hour days not uncommon) 7 days a week for the agents. We are on call 24/7 and used to feel a sort of kinship as you have a 24/7 hotline (that no longer works).

I also do not feel sorry about the 23,000 realtor reimbursements that have to be processed as some of that money is ours and has been out over 60 days some over 90. We lose interest on that money every day it is out. But to your credit you are catching up.

We also do tons of work for free (and also eat expenses due to having to do what is necessary even if it is not exactly to procedure) all the time for the AMCs and know it is just part of what is necessary to do this business. When FAS eats a bill it is spread over those 29,000 properies you refer to and it does not come out of your personal paycheck. When we eat one we personally write the check.

When one of your vendors messes up the AM does not care. It reflects personally on us as agents. We frequently avoid telling an AM that it was an FAS vendors fault because we do not want them to think we are just making excuses or passing the buck. In their eyes it is our responsibility regardless of who did it. We can not afford to be remembered as having propery "issues" that creates more work for the AM.

I do use the website and it does help and cuts the calls and emails that you guys get from us.

As far as the property dumps, congratulations you probably do not have to be worried about being laid off. We are not as fortunate as we must constately work to keep our standing.

Our personal standing is going to be hit, because of a late BPO, because we can not get into a property, because there is no key in the lockbox. Our fault? No. Will we pay a price for it far in excess of anything that could possibly happen to FAS or the vendor that you use (because you can't afford to get rid of him due to lack of vendors). Yes. It will cost us future work. Which will result in lost revenue.

Your vendor messes up but we pay the price for their lack of performance. We have also found out the hard way that if we complain about a vendor the vendor remembers and we get put on the back burner for everything. The vendor knows who the agent for the property is. They get paid a trip charge to verify something. We eat the expense when we have to go out and verify that your vendor did or did not do what they say that they did.

In some cases I have seen to many coincidences to believe that we have not been sabotaged by an FAS vendor in retaliation. We have learned to just try to keep as low a profile as possible with your vendors as we know we get the short end if we don't.

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#303786 - 08/24/09 10:45 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: Grampa]
skighee Offline
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Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 28
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Grampa


I have worked with AHMSI for some time and was with them when they added FAS and when they moved to Texas.

After reading your post I must say that from what I have seen that what you have posted is accurate. I do have a tough time feeling sorry about the mandatory Saturdays and the 55 hour weeks as it is closer to 12+ hours per day (with 18 hour days not uncommon) 7 days a week for the agents. We are on call 24/7 and used to feel a sort of kinship as you have a 24/7 hotline (that no longer works).

I also do not feel sorry about the 23,000 realtor reimbursements that have to be processed as some of that money is ours and has been out over 60 days some over 90. We lose interest on that money every day it is out. But to your credit you are catching up.

We also do tons of work for free (and also eat expenses due to having to do what is necessary even if it is not exactly to procedure) all the time for the AMCs and know it is just part of what is necessary to do this business. When FAS eats a bill it is spread over those 29,000 properies you refer to and it does not come out of your personal paycheck. When we eat one we personally write the check.

When one of your vendors messes up the AM does not care. It reflects personally on us as agents. We frequently avoid telling an AM that it was an FAS vendors fault because we do not want them to think we are just making excuses or passing the buck. In their eyes it is our responsibility regardless of who did it. We can not afford to be remembered as having propery "issues" that creates more work for the AM.

I do use the website and it does help and cuts the calls and emails that you guys get from us.

As far as the property dumps, congratulations you probably do not have to be worried about being laid off. We are not as fortunate as we must constately work to keep our standing.

Our personal standing is going to be hit, because of a late BPO, because we can not get into a property, because there is no key in the lockbox. Our fault? No. Will we pay a price for it far in excess of anything that could possibly happen to FAS or the vendor that you use (because you can't afford to get rid of him due to lack of vendors). Yes. It will cost us future work. Which will result in lost revenue.

Your vendor messes up but we pay the price for their lack of performance. We have also found out the hard way that if we complain about a vendor the vendor remembers and we get put on the back burner for everything. The vendor knows who the agent for the property is. They get paid a trip charge to verify something. We eat the expense when we have to go out and verify that your vendor did or did not do what they say that they did.

In some cases I have seen to many coincidences to believe that we have not been sabotaged by an FAS vendor in retaliation. We have learned to just try to keep as low a profile as possible with your vendors as we know we get the short end if we don't.


I love that one, the vendor gets paid a trip charge, then we are told by the AM that we need to go and verify the property has been re-keyed daily because they just got charged a $75 trip charge by the appraiser b/c they could not get in. Wouldn't it be a perfect world if we got trip charges too to verify the awful work of the crackhead vendors of FAS? Many issues are the result of the crackheads, but stand strong, if you sell a lot of properties, AHMSI will back you up when you report the truth.

You will need to adapt with FAS serviced properties, such as I carry a drill with me and just drill out the locks and then replace the door knobs with $7 Cheapo Depo door knobs (heck that is all FAS uses and btw make sure you put the knob in upside down as that is what the crackheads do, and then just use one of the many blue crap lockboxes they use.) and for just $7 you now can do the BPO and the appraiser gets in....what do you want for a re-key that would normally be $90 for the ENTIRE home and crackhead gets paid $65 to do one door with their $7 door knob that is never rekeyed anyway to AHMSI keycode as FAS cant seem to send locks out the crackheads in a timely fashion)

More advice to those who are stuck with the THREE RING CIRCUS otherwise known as Field [censored] Serivces....adapt...learn their games (report stolen appliances the AM's they love that) and you will be in business two years, as for Field Asset Services, they are a fad, and will be out of business when the market recovers, hence their ridiculous fees they charge in return for their POOR and abysmal services.

Do you remember First Option before AHMSI, when we hired our own vendors? How easy was it, and the big question, how much more did the asset sell when the crackheads were....well still on the street being crackheads....

Keep up the great work and thanks AHMSI for the brilliant management decisions, save a dime know, lose a dollar later!!!!

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#304670 - 09/01/09 06:20 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: skighee]
EMREO Offline
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Registered: 03/24/07
Posts: 58
Loc: Michigan
Has everyone received the e-mail regarding the new education requirements? Fortunately, I already forked over the $500 for the REO Best Practices and Advanced Evaluations. But they will also want us to sign up for a THIRD course (at a later date) at the tune of $399. Will this never end? I wouldn't be so opposed to these courses if they paid a fair commission in the first place.

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#304690 - 09/01/09 07:34 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: EMREO]
socalreo Offline
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Registered: 12/02/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Orange County, CA.
AHMSI kept me pretty busy last year. I lost a couple of my AM's when they relocated the Irvine office to Texas. Haven't seen much from them this year. I'm with EMREO, if they paid a fair commission, the $900 investment would be a "no brainer". After 20 years of doing BPO's and REO's, it rubs me the wrong way that they want to get into my pocket to continue doing business with them. May have to take a stand on this one and pass.

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#304694 - 09/01/09 08:03 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: socalreo]
Grampa Offline
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Registered: 06/30/09
Posts: 1064
Loc: Margaritaville
AHMSI is one of our better customers. We are on the preferred list and work with a lot of the AMs so I will do it.

Thank You sir may I have another?
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#304695 - 09/01/09 08:23 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: Grampa]
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Registered: 03/26/08
Posts: 800
Loc: Los Angeles, CA REO Capital
Lets do the training! After all I have 4 clients asking for the same thing though...money spend in education is rewarded. You will love the courses.

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#304708 - 09/01/09 11:32 PM Re: AHMSI [Re: RecoveringREAgnt]
Cool guy Offline
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Posts: 1535
Loc: California
AHMSI has a preferred list? Are you talking about REOs, or BPOS?

They are one of my better clients so I will do it. I'm actually working on the training at the moment for Indymac and I can't complain about the courses, there's a lot of stuff I was able to get out of them. I'm assuming the AHMSI course will be mostly about DARES and stuff.

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