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#26150 - 06/06/05 04:16 PM
Agent won't put ads in Newspaper
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Registered: 06/06/05
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Loc: New Jersey
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I'm selling my home in northern NJ, and hired an agent with a small nearby firm. When he came in, he presented me with a detailed marketing plan - newspaper ads, open houses, MLS listing, internet sites, the works.
So far, he's only done 2: an MLS listing and the inclusion of the property on Realtor.com and Yahoo's real estate pages. The listing isn't even on the agency's own site, which he said was a big part of the marketing plan.
This is a full-service brokerage, and the agent promised full-service marketing. Now, he says his broker doesn't believe in newspaper ads and that they don't bring in buyers.
I told him I'll go with it for one more weekend, then I want an ad in the paper (the Newark Star-Ledger, a major paper with a tremendous circulation on Sundays.) He said it's really expensive (about $350) and not worth the price.
Needless to say, I'm a little concerned. I'm paying a full 6% commission - so shouldn't I get my money's worth? I know the paper works - I found my current home and my previous apartment through the paper - and the size of the real estate section on Sundays tells me it must work for most agencies.
Before I call the broker and complain, am I right to be concerned, or just nervous that I haven't gotten an offer yet?
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#26151 - 06/06/05 05:50 PM
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Registered: 06/23/04
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NJBuyerSeller, From years of experience I have found that newspaper ads rarely sell the house. I almost never place an ad except for an open house or new constructions. Print advertising is nolonger the media of choice. I will use homes guide adds to drive traffic to my website and to showcase my unusual properties. It is a seller misconception that most buyers see their new home in the sunday paper.
You should push your agent and ask why your home is not on his website yet and what date will it be up. Also ask what he does to promote his website to drive traffic to his site. His site is useless if it gets no traffic!
What about open houses? Open houses are a way for the listing agent to get new clients or buyers for other homes. Open houses generally do not produce buyers for that home.
You need to find out what other marketing you agent is doing. Has he done a Broker open house? Has he been sending flyers to agents in other offices? Has he done Tell 20? Has he done any mailings? Sit down an have a long talk with your agent and ask when he plans to kick his marketing plan into high gear and what he plans to do an on what dates?
Let us know what you agent had to say!
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#26152 - 06/07/05 05:32 AM
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Registered: 12/03/04
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Loc: Austin, TX
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Newspapers, real estate magazines, and open houses rarely sell homes. Many agents realize classifieds are advertisments for the agent, not the home owner.
The problem that I see is that you agreed to use classified ads and he promised them in his presentation, but is now going back on what he promised. He also seems to have made commitments to other methods that he has not implemented. That's an issue that I'd bring up. Do you have any written materials that stated he'd do classified ads?
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#26153 - 06/07/05 06:28 AM
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Registered: 04/14/05
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Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
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Before real estate, I was in advertising and had a few real estate clients. Unanimously, the only reason stated for placing classified ads was the perceived value to the seller.
This is what I tell my clients about advertising: Grab the real estate classifieds and find your dream home from the 3-5 line ads full of abbreviations (some of which are undefinable). Going through hundreds of small ads is hard work and rarely achieves any leads. In my experience, the leads genereated by line ads are usually unqualified or bottom-feeders.
Your main problem lies with the fact that your agent has told you something and done the opposite. The pessimist in me says that if he would lie about the advertising, he would lie about other aspects of marketing your home. Furthermore, if he truly believes that classified advertising is not effective (which it isn't), he should have told you this up front.
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#26154 - 06/07/05 07:06 PM
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Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 7
Loc: New Jersey
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Thanks for all of your replies. As Dee and Greg said, I think this is more of a "do what you promise" issue than anything else. If the agent had said from the beginning that newspaper ads don't work, I would have been prepared for this.
I guess, in the NY/NJ market, a lot of agents think they can just put your home on the MLS and it will sell itself with no work. That's the impression I'm getting from this guy.
Here's a related question: how many showings usually have to happen before an offer comes in? So far, we've had at least 10 agents bring clients through to look at the place, but not gotten a single offer. We actually priced slightly below two identical units that sold last month because I wasn't convinced this place was worth that much.
Should I be reading anything into that?
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#26155 - 06/07/05 07:39 PM
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Registered: 06/23/04
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Loc: Central Illinois
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Do you know what the units sold for? What knid of feedback have you gotten from your agent regarding the buyers that have toured your home? What is the average market time for similiar units in your area? Originally posted by NJBuyerSeller: Thanks for all of your replies. As Dee and Greg said, I think this is more of a "do what you promise" issue than anything else. If the agent had said from the beginning that newspaper ads don't work, I would have been prepared for this.
I guess, in the NY/NJ market, a lot of agents think they can just put your home on the MLS and it will sell itself with no work. That's the impression I'm getting from this guy.
Here's a related question: how many showings usually have to happen before an offer comes in? So far, we've had at least 10 agents bring clients through to look at the place, but not gotten a single offer. We actually priced slightly below two identical units that sold last month because I wasn't convinced this place was worth that much.
Should I be reading anything into that?
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#26156 - 06/07/05 09:17 PM
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Registered: 10/29/04
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NJ, the way I see it you have two serious problems. One has been addressed which is that your agent is not doing what he said he would do. That should be grounds for cancelling your listing...problem solved.
The second problem which every agent here has danced around with excuses is this: Your agent doesn't know HOW TO SELL your house!
This is the case with the vast majority of agents. They only know one thing and that's to pay another agent to find a buyer for them so that they don't need to know anything about selling.
The notion that newspaper ads and open houses do not sell houses is completely FALSE. The problem isn't the media, it's the use of it. Agents are not taught and don't bother to learn how to properly use marketing to sell houses. Why should they bother when they can have someone else do it for them by entiring your property into the MLS?
To add insult to injury your agent will come back in a week or two and tell you that your house isn't selling because it's overpriced. When in fact it isn't selling because he's incompetent.
I've sold more houses through newspaper ads and open houses than the average agent will sell in their entire life. That's how I know they work.
My advice is this: You can't rely on any agent to market your house, they simply have not been trained to do that. All you have to do is read through this forum and you'll see that agents don't even understand what marketing is. They confuse it with other things like advertising and exposure.
Anytime you rely on an agent to sell your house for you you are asking for trouble. The proper use of an agent is as an assistant to your own selling effort, not as a means of abdicating your role as seller.
If you want to sell your house in days for top dollar there's only one thing you need to do: Make your house easy to buy.
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#26157 - 06/08/05 04:15 AM
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Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 7
Loc: New Jersey
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Originally posted by Paul Oaks: Do you know what the units sold for? What knid of feedback have you gotten from your agent regarding the buyers that have toured your home? What is the average market time for similiar units in your area? The other units are sold for about $8000 more than I'm asking right now, and they stayed on the market an average 20-30 days. My agent, however, has only said he's gotten very "positive comments". He really won't give me answers, other than a few people have come through and said my place is too small. [Prices around here are so outrageous, agents are showing 1 bedrooms to 3 or 4-person families.] Last night, after much pushing, he finally told me that a buyer was ready to make an offer about $7000 below asking price, and that he told the agent not to bother. Shouldn't he have asked me first? I told him to tell the agent to submit the offer. I'll probably wind up rejecting it, but shouldn't it be my call?
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#26158 - 06/08/05 04:17 AM
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Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 7
Loc: New Jersey
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Originally posted by RealDealer: Anytime you rely on an agent to sell your house for you you are asking for trouble. The proper use of an agent is as an assistant to your own selling effort, not as a means of abdicating your role as seller.
If you want to sell your house in days for top dollar there's only one thing you need to do: Make your house easy to buy. That's great advice - except it's missing any sort of solution. It's easy to blame the realtor (and I am), but it's a lot harder to come up with real-world solutions that will get this place sold faster and for more money. What do I do to make my house "easy to buy?"
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#26159 - 06/08/05 05:37 AM
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I told him to tell the agent to submit the offer. I'll probably wind up rejecting it, but shouldn't it be my call?
Tell this agent that you want any and all offers on the home or you will file an ethics complaint with the realtor association and you will file a complaint with the licensing division. It's easy to blame the realtor (and I am), but it's a lot harder to come up with real-world solutions that will get this place sold faster and for more money.
What do I do to make my house "easy to buy?"
I see you have two problems here one being that since your house has been on the market more than a few weeks you've lost 60-80% of your potential buyers. What I would do at this point is believe it or not..TAKE THE HOUSE OFF THE MARKET. The relist in a few couple weeks. Most of your buyers have forgotten that you exist. They also think there's something wrong with the house. When you relist try to incorporate marketing that gets you the most offers. For some idea visit the local bookstore for the book "how to sell your house in 5 days." Check out these two sites 5-daysale.com and anystreetaddress.com. You'll get some ideas to market but it's unlikely your problem can be solved overnight. You have more serious problems than you think here. You're not only trying to market the house but you need to tell people that there's nothing wrong iwth your house. The other problem is you have to be honest with youself. Sometimes there's no market for your house so take it off the market and wait to relist in a few weeks or months. go here read http://www.agentsonline.net/forum/ultimatebb.php/forum/1.html You'll see that most agents think the secrets to selling houses is to price a house right. LOL.. Let's hope some of these price is right agents can jump in to offer some advice. It's good to see a real life problem asked by a real life seller.
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#26160 - 06/08/05 10:38 PM
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Registered: 06/23/04
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Loc: Central Illinois
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Your agent should have never have rejected an offer as that is your decision and yours alone. Call broker and tell them you would like a new agent assigned to your listing because the agent took it upon himself to tell a buyers agent not to bother submitting an offer because it was 7K below list. If he is reluctant to assign you a new agent then ask to be released from your listing contract.
Have the new agent pull it from MLS and/or relist it a few day later.
What comments did you get from you agent when he walked thorough your home. Did he give you any objective feedback to make your home more sellable? You may need to step back and take an objective look at your place.
Is it neutrally decorated, paint, carpet etc... Are your rooms cluttered with furniture making them look small? Are the carpets clean? Do they need to be replaced? If there are any issues here then leave the house off the market and give a new paint job throughout and have carpets cleaned, deodorized or replaced. Your new agent may have contacts that can get your carpet installed and paid for at closing. If you do paint & carpet add 6-7K to your new list price and put it back in MLS. Make sure your new agent has a brokers open house. Make several dozen cookies and serve some ice tea and coffee as agents love broker opens with snacks.
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#26161 - 06/09/05 07:36 AM
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Registered: 10/29/04
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NJ, there are essentially 3 ways to make your house easier to buy:
1. Reduce the price 2. Raise the terms 3. Marketing and sales
All agents understand #1. A few understand #2, and virtually none understand #3.
As Jaber pointed out if your house has been on the market for more than a couple of weeks then it is stale and buyers will be thinking something is wrong with it. The only way you will get a buyer through an agent at that point is to follow the advice of the agents here. Make improvements and reduce the price.
A lower price will reinvigorate interest. But of course you don't want to reduce the price if you don't have to!
As a second option you can change your target market of buyers by offering some form of owner financing or rent to own. I've used that many times to successfully sell houses for 20-30% more than the highest offer an agent could bring.
Regardless of whether you lower your price, raise the terms, or leave things as they are. You still need to imploy some commonsense marketing and selling.
It's not enough to say "here I am!" which is all a for sale sign/ad does. You have to speak to what buyers want and give them a reason to buy your house over others. One way to do this is to use attractive slogans like: "No Money Down" "Rent to Own" "Cash Back" "Owner Financing" "Easy Qualifying" "Highest Bidder" "No Closing Costs" etc.
It's amazing just how easy it is to sell a house and yet most people (both private sellers and agents) somehow manage to screw it up. Here are some pointers:
1. If you will be showing the house yourself then prepare a list of answers to as many questions as you can think of which buyers might ask. Buyers will ask about the lot size and the square footage, whether the house has central air and how far schools are. So be sure you have the answers memorized as best you can, and on a fact sheet.
2. When showing the house you or your agent needs do a few things. First, you need to be friendly and accessible without appearing desperate or intrusive. Second, let buyers walk through the house on their own. This is especially important if there are 2 or more together because they will want to talk to each other about what they see without you overhearing. If they have to whisper or speak a foreign language that's only going to make you both feel uncomfortable. So let them walk through and put away anything of value if you're worried about them stealing something.
3. Be prepared ahead of time and make it very clear to potential buyers that they have only one concern: Do they want the house? They need to know that you will take care of everything else. DO NOT leave critical issues like purchase contracts and financing up to the buyer, their agent, or even your own agent.
It's such an obvious thing to have purchase contracts ready to go in case someone wants to buy on the spot, and yet most FSBOs and even agents are not prepared.
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#26162 - 06/09/05 08:32 AM
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I have to agree with most. Our broker doesnt list in newspapers either. It is in our sales presentation, but we advise the customer ahead of time. We get more calls from the yard sign that the very expensive news paper adds. If you list with us you get MLS, Homes Mags, Signage, monthly showcase in the papers, Weichert.com, Realtor.com, and all their partener sites like Yahoo, Google, Plus open houses and walk ins.
Chip
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#26163 - 06/09/05 09:04 AM
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Registered: 06/08/05
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I would ask him what he plans to do instead of the newspaper advertising. If he doesn't think it's worth it he should find something else that does. Most homes sell in the MLS. If you are not getting a good amount of showings somethings wrong with the MLS listing. In my market it makes a huge difference to get an well written *awsome* property discription and tons of pictures in the MLS. I try to put 16 pictures in the MLS for all of my listings. (Some properties are so ugly you can't take 16 good pictures- haha). Most properties are sold in the MLS- make sure your property is standing out from the competition there. I charge full commission (6%) but I present the property like few others do. If someone's not happy with my service for any reason, they can cancel their contract with me at any time- 100% satisfaction guarantee. If you replace this guy look for someone with a guarantee. If they are confident enough to offer a guarantee, chances are they are good enough that you won't have to use it.
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#26164 - 06/09/05 09:23 AM
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Registered: 06/23/04
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Loc: Central Illinois
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NJ,
I would take RealDealers advice with a grain of salt as he is a Canadian Investor and not a Realtor and is always putting agents down in his posts. It appears that he cannot even read as you saw from my advice that you should make a few minor improvements and raise your asking price.
Improvements all depend on your homes condition. Over the years I have found that paint and new or professionally cleaned and deodorized carpet are the cheapest things a seller can do to get them a higher offer on their home. Buyers notice these things immediately.
Rent to own or owner financing are fine if you do not mind being still tied to the house and payment but if you are planning on moving out of the area that is definately not your best options.
Those catchy riders are great unless the buyers are working with a Realtor as the Realtor has already pre-qualified and in most cases has a letter of pre-approval so the no money down thing has already been taken care of by the lender. Lenders have hundreds of programs out there to fit most buyers needs.
As far as making offers on the spot, every Realtor I know always has listing & buyers packets in their car so that on the spot offer is covered.
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