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#253528 - 10/06/08 01:28 PM 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+?
chazlac Offline
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Registered: 07/12/06
Posts: 61
Loc: Los Angeles
Greetings all. My father just bought a 5 unit apartment. We found out it has a foundation problem. This was never disclosed by the seller. I am in California and 1-4 is a neccessary requirement while 5 and up is a gray area but would like some of your opinion if this is ground for lawsuit.

Here is some info from California's department of real estate website.

http://www.dre.ca.gov/pub_disclosures.html

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#253782 - 10/07/08 11:14 AM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: chazlac]
Bigtoe Offline
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Registered: 10/14/07
Posts: 1213
Loc: Outer Banks
Most of us on this forum are real estate agents and it is illegal for us to give legal advice. Opinions as to whether you have grounds for a lawsuit would be considered legal advice.

Your best bet would be to talk to a couple of lawyers who specialize in this.
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#254924 - 10/14/08 02:13 AM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: Bigtoe]
chazlac Offline
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Registered: 07/12/06
Posts: 61
Loc: Los Angeles
I too am a agent and father is a broker. I'm sure I can get a lawyer's consultation and sue for anything I want these days. I just wanted to see if anyone has experienced this. Most likely he will sue for the damages of around 20k.

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#255956 - 10/21/08 11:15 AM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: chazlac]
Devil's Advocate Offline
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Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 538
Loc: Ontario, Canada
In general, most jurisdiction follow the Doctrine of Caveat Emptor, which is Latin for “Buyer Beware” thus placing the onus upon the Buyer(s) to utilize their “due diligence” with respect to certain elements of a property and/or to engage the services of the appropriate and qualified expert in this instance, to inspect the property.

Consider that the buyer would have been well advised, had he made his offer conditional upon his obtaining a satisfactory inspection report, by the insertion of an appropriate clause or one similar thereto as follows:

Quote:
This agreement is conditional for a period of 30 days from acceptance hereof upon the Buyer conducting a building inspection of the property and being satisfied in his sole and absolute discretion with the results of such inspection, which shall form a condition hereof which only the Buyer may, at his option waive in whole or in part at any time during the conditional period. The Seller shall allow the Buyer and his agents access to the Property on two (2) occasions prior to closing, during normal business hour, upon two(2) days written notice to the Seller, for the purpose of conducting such inspection. This condition is included for the sole benefit of the Buyer and may be waived at his option by notice in writing to the Seller within the time period stated herein.


(Local)Caselaw: The language of the above note clause was according to the court, imported a "significant subjective element" and permitted the buyer to terminate the transaction and gain the return of his deposit in the event that any deficiencies are found. There was no provision permitting the seller to cure any deficiencies or the type of deficiencies they had to be i.e. material, structural, etc.

Failing that protection: the Buyer must rely primarily on what is contained "within the purchase contract" or other admissable documentory evidence in addition to creditable witness testimony as may relate to misrepresentation and/or prevailing statutory law.

Recourse Option: A Buyer, who had specifically retained the services of a "Buyer's Agent" in a fiduciary relationship to act in the Buyer's best interest and the Buyer's Agent consequently breached his fiduciary duty to the detriment of his client, the Buyer could perhaps negotiate a settlement or failing a settlement, sue the Buyer's Agent for a breach of his fiduciary duty.

A competent attorney would explore all of the Buyer's options.

Important Notice: This information is provided as basic educational information by the author and is not a substitute for the advice of an expert and/or the advice of a lawyer. There is NO representation as to legality, accuracy, correctness of the herein information and the reader is strongly urged to consult a lawyer in the relevant jurisdiction to ensure accuracy before acting on this
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#256482 - 10/24/08 05:00 PM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: Devil's Advocate]
jpoey Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 208
Loc: Novi,MI
I am a broker and work with commercial and in MI 5 units and up is commercial and let the buyer beware as they say. You should have put in the due dilegence a weasel clause to get you out after an inspection you didnt like for some reason or renegotiate.

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#260311 - 11/17/08 08:27 PM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: jpoey]
Paul Oaks Offline
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Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 3370
Loc: Central Illinois
5+ is a commercial tranaction and that being said you are stuck unless you could prove fraud!

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#261529 - 11/25/08 09:01 PM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: Paul Oaks]
Austin TX Agent Offline
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Registered: 05/22/08
Posts: 44
Loc: Austin Texas
I agree with Paul. Unless the seller knew and hid it you are probably stuck.
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#348922 - 08/22/10 10:31 AM Re: 1-4 units require disclosure; What about 5+? [Re: Devil's Advocate]
Brian Carion Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 92
Loc: St. Paul, MN
Thank you, Devil's Advocate. This information was very helpful and insightful. Thank you!

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