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#218289 - 04/09/08 11:43 AM Landlord Keeping Deposit
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Represented the tenant on a rental (also a friend) 3 years ago. $3,000 was required as a security deposit. This final lease ends next month. Tenant advised landlord that she would not re newing lease due to lose of her job.

She inquired about the security deposit and landlord refused to respond. She has not paid her rent this month due to landlord holding more than enough to cover last mths rent. She is aware that she is breech on her contract.

Landlord has advised she has yet to pay April's rent and that he will keep deposit as a result. In addition, he is claiming she was a few days late each mth over the past year and will deduct each mths late fee from deposit.

Due to landlord showing refusal at even attempting to work with her and returning security deposit she does not wish to pay rent this mth and planning to move out the 1st of next mth. Lease expires end of May.

As an agent, I would advise her to remain in her legal lease. As a friend I'm not sure what to say to her?????

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#218451 - 04/09/08 10:09 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: FLLAGENT]
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Tough situation. I would stress to your friend that this is off the record and she should get legal advise, but I think she is doing the best with the situation.

Has the landlord provided statements in the past so she could see she was charged late fees?
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#218612 - 04/10/08 11:58 AM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: ScottFicek]
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Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 204
Loc: Fort Lauderdale
No, landlord has never sent a late fee statement. They had a very friendly relationship until now. She actually paid rent by depositing cash into his personal account each mth.

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#218614 - 04/10/08 12:18 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: FLLAGENT]
Ryan Offline
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Registered: 09/21/07
Posts: 726
Loc: NY
Your friend is withholding two months of rent. One for this month and one for next month. I'm sure her situation is unfortunate, but she probably could have walked from the lease and recouped some of her security deposit if she didn't pull the juvenile stunt of having the security deposit applied to the final TWO months rent. Has she caused any damage to the property?

If I were the landlord I would begin eviction proceedings immediately to regain possession of my property. He should be able to get her out in 30 days, which will give him the remainder of May to find a suitable tenant and make any repairs. I'd also request a judgment in the amount of the two months of unpaid rent, plus late fees, plus damages (minus security deposit) and file that judgment if granted. The court costs are probably justified in this situation. Plus, the recorded judgment will provide a warning to any future landlords who are considering your friend as a tenant.

If I were a friend giving her advice, I'd tell her to move into a new place immediately before the landlord takes action that will cloud her public records.

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#218673 - 04/10/08 04:13 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: Ryan]
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Ryan,
Newsflash for you but it was the landlord that brought on this situation and in all likelihood the tenant would win in court.
The tenant had already decided to not renew the lease and move at the end of the lease term. Tenant inquired about security deposit which leads me to believe the place was in good shape but the landlord tried to pull the late fee crap and also is likely to manufacture "issues" needing fixed to avoid returning the deposit. It my be a case that the landlord nolonger has the deposit money to return to the tenant. The landlord knows that the tenant is tight on cash and in all likelihood would not be able to afford an attorney to force the return of the security deposit.
I believe the tenant has done the right thing by withholding the last two months rent as this will likely be the only way of getting part of the security deposit back.

 Originally Posted By: Ryan
Your friend is withholding two months of rent. One for this month and one for next month. I'm sure her situation is unfortunate, but she probably could have walked from the lease and recouped some of her security deposit if she didn't pull the juvenile stunt of having the security deposit applied to the final TWO months rent. Has she caused any damage to the property?

If I were the landlord I would begin eviction proceedings immediately to regain possession of my property. He should be able to get her out in 30 days, which will give him the remainder of May to find a suitable tenant and make any repairs. I'd also request a judgment in the amount of the two months of unpaid rent, plus late fees, plus damages (minus security deposit) and file that judgment if granted. The court costs are probably justified in this situation. Plus, the recorded judgment will provide a warning to any future landlords who are considering your friend as a tenant.

If I were a friend giving her advice, I'd tell her to move into a new place immediately before the landlord takes action that will cloud her public records.

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#218689 - 04/10/08 05:40 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: Paul Oaks]
Ryan Offline
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Paul, when you write your lease agreements do you allow the tenant to not pay the final two months of rent in lieu of the security deposit?

I know I sure don't.

If the landlord does not return the deposit within the time specified in the lease the tenant has recourse via the courts. The ability of the tenant to pay for court costs isn't even a factor. The lease should clearly spell out how the security deposit will be reimbursed. It isn't the landlord's responsibility to respond to security deposit questions that are clearly stated in the lease. This is nothing more than a tenant who can't afford the rent anymore using an unfounded excuse that will never hold up in court.

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#218747 - 04/10/08 09:23 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: Ryan]
Paul Oaks Offline
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Loc: Central Illinois
Again you missed the point which is not surprising. The tenant was prepared to pay the final rents but decided not to only AFTER the landlord refused to return the security and started making up things to avoid returning the deposit. The tenant does not have the money for an attorney and the landlord knows this. This is the type of person that gives landlords a bad name!

To me it sounds more like the landlord may not have the money to return to the tenant.

 Originally Posted By: Ryan
Paul, when you write your lease agreements do you allow the tenant to not pay the final two months of rent in lieu of the security deposit?

I know I sure don't.

If the landlord does not return the deposit within the time specified in the lease the tenant has recourse via the courts. The ability of the tenant to pay for court costs isn't even a factor. The lease should clearly spell out how the security deposit will be reimbursed. It isn't the landlord's responsibility to respond to security deposit questions that are clearly stated in the lease. This is nothing more than a tenant who can't afford the rent anymore using an unfounded excuse that will never hold up in court.

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#218886 - 04/11/08 09:47 AM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 204
Loc: Fort Lauderdale
Paul,

I also agree with you. You have read the situation correct. She inquired about her deposit, inquired if she could apply half of it to last mth rent, ect. She did this to get a feel of landlords intentions.

Landlord is an attorney. Has already made claim to deposit. He has no intention in returning it. Also, per FL law he should have security deposit held in an account and not mixed with any other funds which I doubt he did.

She is not paying April's rent and moving out in a few weeks.

Double edge sword...........you cannot trust landlords....landlords cannot trust tenants.

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#218935 - 04/11/08 02:34 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: FLLAGENT]
Paul Oaks Offline
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Loc: Central Illinois
That behavior from a landlord who is also an attorney is no great surprise. He knows since he is an attorney it costs him nothing to use the court system to screw his tenants.
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#219424 - 04/13/08 09:39 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: FLLAGENT]
shana Offline
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Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 1602
Loc: Nevada
 Originally Posted By: FLLAGENT
Represented the tenant on a rental (also a friend) 3 years ago. $3,000 was required as a security deposit. This final lease ends next month. Tenant advised landlord that she would not re newing lease due to lose of her job.

She inquired about the security deposit and landlord refused to respond. She has not paid her rent this month due to landlord holding more than enough to cover last mths rent. She is aware that she is breech on her contract.

Landlord has advised she has yet to pay April's rent and that he will keep deposit as a result. In addition, he is claiming she was a few days late each mth over the past year and will deduct each mths late fee from deposit.

Due to landlord showing refusal at even attempting to work with her and returning security deposit she does not wish to pay rent this mth and planning to move out the 1st of next mth. Lease expires end of May.

As an agent, I would advise her to remain in her legal lease. As a friend I'm not sure what to say to her?????



your post asks no questions, so you appear to be fishing for responses pertaining to legal advice.

as an agent, you should not advise her concerning a potential legal dispute. it's her decision. you certainly can advise her to speak to an attorney, or seek any free legal assistance that may be available.

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#219426 - 04/13/08 09:42 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: Paul Oaks]
shana Offline
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Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 1602
Loc: Nevada
 Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks
That behavior from a landlord who is also an attorney is no great surprise. He knows since he is an attorney it costs him nothing to use the court system to screw his tenants.


not quite true. there are court fees. but you're right about attorneys, they're some of the most unethical people you'll find.

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#220015 - 04/15/08 08:18 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: shana]
FLLAGENT Offline
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Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 204
Loc: Fort Lauderdale
Shana,

Not fishing for legal advice. More so, just opinions from fellow agents! Again, this is a friend and was just curious of others experiences relating to landlords refusing to return deposits. I always find it odd when other agents are harsh towards one another when posting for advice or opinions. We are all in the same industry...........why not be nice?????

I for one learned I was VERY naive since FL law states landlords are to keep security deposits in a separate account and cannot mix those funds.

I phoned another friend that is a property manager for over 50 properties. Was shocked to learn from him that he NEVER gives tenants back deposits. He advised there is always a way to claim those funds from repairs, lack of proper notice ect....He basically stated, he knows tenants do not have the resources to fight it in court so does not concern himself with it. He is a class act, so was really shocked that this was the norm in the industry! Again, I did say I was naive on this matter!!!

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#220198 - 04/16/08 01:25 PM Re: Landlord Keeping Deposit [Re: FLLAGENT]
shana Offline
Major Contributor

Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 1602
Loc: Nevada
 Originally Posted By: FLLAGENT
Shana,

Not fishing for legal advice. More so, just opinions from fellow agents! Again, this is a friend and was just curious of others experiences relating to landlords refusing to return deposits. I always find it odd when other agents are harsh towards one another when posting for advice or opinions. We are all in the same industry...........why not be nice?????

I for one learned I was VERY naive since FL law states landlords are to keep security deposits in a separate account and cannot mix those funds.

I phoned another friend that is a property manager for over 50 properties. Was shocked to learn from him that he NEVER gives tenants back deposits. He advised there is always a way to claim those funds from repairs, lack of proper notice ect....He basically stated, he knows tenants do not have the resources to fight it in court so does not concern himself with it. He is a class act, so was really shocked that this was the norm in the industry! Again, I did say I was naive on this matter!!!


that kind of bahavior by landlords is very unethical, and the courts are wise to it. most people CAN afford to file in small claims, so that renters have recourse against property owners with superior financial resources.

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