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#219461 - 04/13/08 11:35 PM
How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
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Loc: Arkansas
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My website has over 300 inbound links (Google Webmaster). Most of them are quality relevant links. Another site recently moved ahead of me in Google organic search and it has no inbound links that I can find.
I know how to do a link search and the competing site does not have any inbound links from other sites.
How are they ranking higher? Any suggestions welcome.
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#219510 - 04/14/08 07:34 AM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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1 top quality link is better than 100 low quality links. Other than that there could be any number of thing affecting either site but it is impossible to tell without seeing them.
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#224622 - 05/05/08 10:24 AM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: Adier]
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My bet would be that the other site has more authoritative incoming links versus yours. Authority plays a huge role in how links are tied to a page's ranking in the SERPs.
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#226381 - 05/13/08 02:52 PM
Gaming Google
[Re: captain21]
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Registered: 07/18/07
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Loc: South Carolina, USA
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A couple of the sites that rank above me have thousands and thousands of links (I'm guessing both backlinks and exchanges). Will Google eventually catch this as cheating?
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#226389 - 05/13/08 03:04 PM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: Tammy Winner]
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I would not hold my breath waiting for Google to do anything about it. The best you can hope for is Google to devalue the pages that links pointing at the site are located on and even that may not cause the site to drop much. Google will generally not penalize a site for receiving links.
I came across a Realtor's site yesterday that was ranking in the top 2 or 3 for very competitive keywords. When I checked, this site had a couple of thousand backlinks - all from forum signature links and run-of-site paid links - no reciprocals.
Even though the pages these links are on have no PR on the Toolbar - a couple of thousand links of any kind seems to be pretty attractive to Google.
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#226530 - 05/14/08 06:43 AM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: doug]
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That's what some webmasters says, be careful where/who you link to.
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#226549 - 05/14/08 07:55 AM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: Adier]
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Fore the benefit of some readers - some webmasters panic at that statement though and choose to believe that means that a site should not link out at all - which is not what you are saying.
Having the right links leaving your site can still tell Google that you are a trusted site, a good resource - and will help and not hurt your ranking.
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#226759 - 05/15/08 07:40 AM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: doug]
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My statement must have been too general, bottom line is don't link to bad sites.
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#229610 - 05/30/08 02:04 AM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: captain21]
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Registered: 05/28/08
Posts: 31
Loc: na
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My website has over 300 inbound links (Google Webmaster). Most of them are quality relevant links. Another site recently moved ahead of me in Google organic search and it has no inbound links that I can find.
I know how to do a link search and the competing site does not have any inbound links from other sites.
How are they ranking higher? Any suggestions welcome. Many times people claim that a site has no backlinks but a thorough check find out that the site actually has many backlinks and even quality links. Can you post the url in order that we can analyse it?
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#245666 - 08/21/08 09:59 PM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: liz2sell]
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300 inbound links are not very many...I have around 2669 according to iwebtool...The authority of the site means a lot - 500 links from page rank 0 is about the same as 1 from a page rank 5 site...
I would check the SEO of your site - are important things as h2 and in bold? How are your keywords? Look at that site and see what they are doing differently and how you can try to get ahead of them for optimization.
You should also strive for anchor text links. Good luck!
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#355011 - 10/19/10 08:43 AM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: liz2sell]
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Loc: Austin,TX
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Google would gladly choose 1 authority link than a bunch of low quality links.
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#400846 - 02/09/12 10:00 PM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: captain21]
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Loc: CA, USA
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You don't see all the links. Just because you don't see the links it doesn't mean that there are no sites link to the site. Also, it is not just the number of links but the quality of the links that matter.
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#403898 - 03/24/12 08:49 AM
Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
[Re: realyte]
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[quote=realyte]You don't see all the links. Just because you don't see the links it doesn't mean that there are no sites link to the site.[/quote]
That is very true, but this was back in 208 and there weren't as many tools available then, nor were they of the same capabilities as those available now, and we don't know what the OP was using. Having said that, it have tried some recently which show little or none for my own site whereas I actually have thousands, so maybe in some cases things haven't really progressed.
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#404591 - 04/06/12 07:07 PM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: doug]
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Doug, very well put and I believe the stigma of outbound links is one reason why webmasters are not taking full advantage of comment systems on their sites. Take a look at seomoz.org and how their "members" consistently comment and rate every post that their authors write (although seomoz doesn't allow outbound links). If webmasters were more open to allowing outbound links for quality comments, these sites would rank much better with the appropriate control.
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#404624 - 04/07/12 06:48 AM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: BillW]
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I believe the stigma of outbound links is one reason why webmasters are not taking full advantage of comment systems on their sites. Take a look at seomoz.org and how their "members" consistently comment and rate every post that their authors write (although seomoz doesn't allow outbound links). It is not the stigma, it is the work involved in moderating the spam that forces most webmasters to turn off comments. If you allow links in your comments you will be overloaded with spam.
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#404635 - 04/07/12 08:14 AM
Re: Gaming Google
[Re: captain21]
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Registered: 11/26/09
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Loc: New Jersey
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If your competitors are ranking higher than you, try improving your site's social markers. Google (post-Panda) is now placing increasing emphasis on improving search rankings for those sites offering the best user experience. Facebook Fan pages and Twitter are two examples.
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This Google Custom search may do a better job of searching the forums for some keywords than the old forum search does. The results do not include threads from the Asset Managers Forum however. To search that forum you will need to be actually in the Asset Managers Forum and you will need to use the old forum search below.
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