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#219461 - 04/13/08 11:35 PM How can a site with no links rank higher than my site?
captain21 Member Registered: 03/04/07 Posts: 65 Loc: Arkansas	My website has over 300 inbound links (Google Webmaster). Most of them are quality relevant links. Another site recently moved ahead of me in Google organic search and it has no inbound links that I can find. I know how to do a link search and the competing site does not have any inbound links from other sites. How are they ranking higher? Any suggestions welcome.
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#219475 - 04/14/08 12:24 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: captain21]
Perky_REALTOR Major Contributor Registered: 11/27/06 Posts: 3886 Loc: Northeast PA	Does the other website have more relevant content? has the other site been around longer? is the seo better? inbound links are but one piece of the puzzle. my site has 138 inbound links, my competitor has 92 and their site is ranked higher than mine with more page rank too...(interestingly enough, what galls me is that I built their site...) because it has more meaty content and has been around for several years (mine is newer). _________________________ ~Wand'ring Through Wayne & Pike County PA...My Humble Blog~ Be Positive ~ Be Productive ~ Be Honest Visit My Lake Wallenpaupack, Hawley, & Honesdale PA Real Estate Site Join Active Rain & Watch the Google Juice Flow!
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#219510 - 04/14/08 07:34 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
Bigtoe Veteran Member Registered: 10/14/07 Posts: 585 Loc: Outer Banks	1 top quality link is better than 100 low quality links. Other than that there could be any number of thing affecting either site but it is impossible to tell without seeing them. _________________________ Your Outer Banks real estate agent. Visit Outer Banks Community Forum for all the latest OBX events.
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#221020 - 04/19/08 10:05 PM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: Bigtoe]
Steven M Carlson Member Registered: 04/12/08 Posts: 63 Loc: Tampa, Florida	There are many ways in which google ranks websites, not all are from 'links'. They also look at how often you update your website, how relevant the website is to its keywords (ex: are you just spam), how long have you owned the website (is it brand new?--less points). Hope this helps _________________________ Steven Carlson Real Estate Coach Developer of Real Estate Pro, the only CRM solution for foreclosure investors and flippers, powered by stockNum Systems by Digital Intelligence Group, Inc.
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#221573 - 04/22/08 06:56 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: Steven M Carlson]
Adier Member Registered: 04/01/08 Posts: 191 Loc: n/a	Quote: Mathematical PageRanks (out of 100) for a simple network (PageRanks reported by google are rescaled logarithmically). Page C has a higher PageRank than Page E, even though it has fewer links to it: the link it has is much higher valued. A web surfer who chooses a random link on every page (but with 15% likelihood jumps to a random page on the whole web) is going to be on Page E for 8.1% of the time. (The 15% likelihood of jumping to an arbitrary page corresponds to a damping factor of 85%.) Without damping, all web surfers would eventually end up on Pages A, B, or C, and all other pages would have PageRank zero. Page A is assumed to link to all pages in the web, because it has no outgoing links. _________________________ Real Estate Tasmania Homes for Sale
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#224622 - 05/05/08 10:24 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: Adier]
dresden Member Registered: 11/19/07 Posts: 95 Loc: Broomfield, CO	My bet would be that the other site has more authoritative incoming links versus yours. Authority plays a huge role in how links are tied to a page's ranking in the SERPs.
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#226381 - 05/13/08 02:52 PM Gaming Google [Re: captain21]
Tammy Winner Junior Member Registered: 07/18/07 Posts: 6 Loc: South Carolina, USA	A couple of the sites that rank above me have thousands and thousands of links (I'm guessing both backlinks and exchanges). Will Google eventually catch this as cheating? _________________________ Tammy Winner, Realtor/Owner, Myrtle Beach Real Estate , 843-241-0306
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#226389 - 05/13/08 03:04 PM Re: Gaming Google [Re: Tammy Winner]
doug Veteran Member Registered: 12/31/69 Posts: 814 Loc: Canada	I would not hold my breath waiting for Google to do anything about it. The best you can hope for is Google to devalue the pages that links pointing at the site are located on and even that may not cause the site to drop much. Google will generally not penalize a site for receiving links. I came across a Realtor's site yesterday that was ranking in the top 2 or 3 for very competitive keywords. When I checked, this site had a couple of thousand backlinks - all from forum signature links and run-of-site paid links - no reciprocals. Even though the pages these links are on have no PR on the Toolbar - a couple of thousand links of any kind seems to be pretty attractive to Google. _________________________ Proven effective Websites for Realtors - Exclusivity - One agent per market area! Some areas available that offer immediate exposure with pre-existing top 10 search engine positions! Visit my Realtor websites blog for maintaining a successful online presence.
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#226530 - 05/14/08 06:43 AM Re: Gaming Google [Re: doug]
Adier Member Registered: 04/01/08 Posts: 191 Loc: n/a	That's what some webmasters says, be careful where/who you link to. _________________________ Real Estate Tasmania Homes for Sale
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#226549 - 05/14/08 07:55 AM Re: Gaming Google [Re: Adier]
doug Veteran Member Registered: 12/31/69 Posts: 814 Loc: Canada	Fore the benefit of some readers - some webmasters panic at that statement though and choose to believe that means that a site should not link out at all - which is not what you are saying. Having the right links leaving your site can still tell Google that you are a trusted site, a good resource - and will help and not hurt your ranking. _________________________ Proven effective Websites for Realtors - Exclusivity - One agent per market area! Some areas available that offer immediate exposure with pre-existing top 10 search engine positions! Visit my Realtor websites blog for maintaining a successful online presence.
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#226759 - 05/15/08 07:40 AM Re: Gaming Google [Re: doug]
Adier Member Registered: 04/01/08 Posts: 191 Loc: n/a	My statement must have been too general, bottom line is don't link to bad sites. _________________________ Real Estate Tasmania Homes for Sale
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#229610 - 05/30/08 02:04 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: captain21]
repa Member Registered: 05/28/08 Posts: 31 Loc: na	Originally Posted By: captain21 My website has over 300 inbound links (Google Webmaster). Most of them are quality relevant links. Another site recently moved ahead of me in Google organic search and it has no inbound links that I can find. I know how to do a link search and the competing site does not have any inbound links from other sites. How are they ranking higher? Any suggestions welcome. Many times people claim that a site has no backlinks but a thorough check find out that the site actually has many backlinks and even quality links. Can you post the url in order that we can analyse it? _________________________ Submit Real Estate Articles - It is relevant, real estate authority and have special features to boost targeted traffic and increases search engines ranking.
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#234108 - 06/22/08 04:13 PM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: repa]
GetSmart Member Registered: 06/21/08 Posts: 34 Loc: NC	heres a tool that gives you an idea of what links are linking to your competition and whether their page rank is forged or not. if they have a forged ranking then you might not want to link to them, because when the hammer is layed you might be affected as well. www.checkpagerank.net _________________________ Charlotte Real Estate is the hottest so Stop Foreclosure by going to Sell my House.
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#234182 - 06/23/08 05:46 AM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: GetSmart]
All Night I.T. Member Registered: 06/23/08 Posts: 12 Loc: Alabama	There also a few highly volatile techniques involving several domains, google, and redirects that can get a site positioned at the top without having a page rank or inbound links. You can use a site's positioning to point it, or redirect it, to another site. Hence, leaving the trail of inbound and outbound links behind. Sometimes this is necessary to move domains, but you can discover interesting things about PR and positioning doing it that way.
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#241320 - 07/30/08 06:35 PM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: All Night I.T.]
liz2sell Member Registered: 07/29/08 Posts: 39 Loc: CA, USA	I’m not sure if it’s been covered or not, but I have had the same problem. There are different reasons. The age of the site. The ‘quality’ of links coming in. The links are in a different category than where they are pointing to. The ‘quality’ of the content of the site. Correct usage of META tags. There are more, but this is just the basics that I can think of. _________________________ Liz2Sell Website built by J D Web Designs
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#245666 - 08/21/08 09:59 PM Re: How can a site with no links rank higher than my site? [Re: liz2sell]
UpstartAgent Member Registered: 07/29/07 Posts: 75 Loc: US	300 inbound links are not very many...I have around 2669 according to iwebtool...The authority of the site means a lot - 500 links from page rank 0 is about the same as 1 from a page rank 5 site... I would check the SEO of your site - are important things as h2 and in bold? How are your keywords? Look at that site and see what they are doing differently and how you can try to get ahead of them for optimization. You should also strive for anchor text links. Good luck! _________________________ Upstart Agent: Real Estate Marketing Blog:
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