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#210792 - 03/11/08 11:54 AM Suicide or murder in a property?
RESTEVE Moderator Offline
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Registered: 10/28/06
Posts: 417
Loc: Kansas
Agents/Brokers I want your take on this! If you know someone committed suicide in a property or was murdered in a property, would you disclose it? What if you were a transaction broker, and not a buyers agent? What about the listing agent? Would it matter if the property was going to be used for a childrens camp? What about if a pastor was going to purchase the property? Im not in a situation like this I just want others input for this topic. Do you have to disclose it by law or is it more a matter of ethics?

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#210826 - 03/11/08 02:39 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: RESTEVE]
jbentley Offline
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Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 35
Loc: Ohio
You are asking 2 different questions..what if a pastor bought one of these properties. Murders are in the news..not all suicides are. Any way what would it matter to a pastor on either? What if it waws for a children's camp? I think it is more of a matter of when it happened. We had a mass murder happed about 20-25 yrs ago and they had to tear down the house.

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#211029 - 03/12/08 07:07 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: jbentley]
Perky_REALTOR Global Moderator Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 3871
Loc: Northeast PA
I think it may vary from state to state. I was under the impression that in PA at least you must disclose if there has been violent crime on the property - but I don't have my text book handy to look it up.

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#211044 - 03/12/08 08:36 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
jbentley Offline
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Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 35
Loc: Ohio
I think it does vary from state to state. It's just people die in houses all the time. I lost my son to a suicide 6 years ago,
so I sensitive on this subject. I apologize-I guess I shouldn't
have even replied.

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#211046 - 03/12/08 09:25 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: jbentley]
neudot Offline
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Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 696
Loc: Central New York
In my state, you don't need to disclose violent deaths, but you do need to disclose ghosts....go figure.
I bought my house without realizing it had been the scene of a double murder some years previous. My neighbor sometimes asks me if I see ghosts here. Nope. Never have.

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#211047 - 03/12/08 09:33 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: neudot]
Artiste Offline
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Registered: 06/12/06
Posts: 883
Loc: Sacramento, CA
You'll never get in trouble for over-disclosing any issue you may be aware of or a rumor that the neighbor told you (just mention it's a rumor and you have no personal knowledge of the subject.)

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#211055 - 03/12/08 10:56 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: Artiste]
Devil's Advocate Offline
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Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 253
Loc: Ontario, Canada
You Disclose: C.Y.A. (cover your assets) and disclose unless you want to be exposed to personal liability and/or litigation costs as may be involved.

Litigation is normally commenced by plaintiffs who rightly or wrongly believe they were deceived and/or mistreated in some fashion.

You owe it to yourself to Be Safe and not sorry.

Important Notice: This information is provided as basic educational information by the author and is not a substitute for the advice of an expert and/or the advice of a lawyer. There is NO representation as to legality, accuracy, correctness of the herein information and the reader is strongly urged to consult a lawyer in the relevant jurisdiction to ensure accuracy before acting on this information

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#211060 - 03/12/08 11:11 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: Artiste]
RESTEVE Moderator Offline
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Registered: 10/28/06
Posts: 417
Loc: Kansas
I agree with Artiste, that its better to disclose and let the buyers make the decision. I just wanted others opinions on this. Jackie, you have a PM.

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#211108 - 03/12/08 02:26 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: RESTEVE]
SaraM Offline
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Registered: 11/07/07
Posts: 251
Loc: California
You should disclose it. They say when in doubt, it's better to disclose then not to.

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#211145 - 03/12/08 05:41 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: SaraM]
pikes peak Offline
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Registered: 12/15/04
Posts: 2216
Loc: CO
Not all states have the same disclosure laws about ghosts, deaths or murder. First, follow the state laws, second, follow what you think is right.
I'd rather have a buyer hear it from me if I know about it, than a neighbor after they move in.

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#211215 - 03/12/08 10:05 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: pikes peak]
Perky_REALTOR Global Moderator Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 3871
Loc: Northeast PA
I think in PA we have to disclose if a property is rumored to be haunted.

I think it would be fun to list a haunted house, myself.

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#211216 - 03/12/08 10:05 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
Perky_REALTOR Global Moderator Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 3871
Loc: Northeast PA
^^That devil smiley is too friendly. He doesn't look very evil. Just dopey. ha ha

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#211298 - 03/13/08 08:43 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
trush Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 157
Loc: Outer Banks, NC
Me too, Perky! (haunted listing)

To answer bposteve, if I'm repping a buyer--darn right I'm disclosing everything I can to them without, of course, crossing the protected classes rules.

We have a house for sale in our neighborhood now whose owner I was acquainted enough with to say Hello in the grocery store, partly because we'd been the listing agents when he bought.

We were told he died inside the house--nothing was mentioned about violence or suicide--but I did show it and I told the buyers that to our knowledge the owner died (without giving any details since I didn't know any details).

Ditto pikes peak--I'd definitely rather tell them myself than them hearing it from the neighbors after closing.
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What's in your backyard? Outer Banks vacation home sales Get a piece of the beach!

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#214187 - 03/23/08 07:01 PM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: trush]
UpNorthGal Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 664
Loc: MN
Here you have to disclose if it is a murder.Other than that you suicide and natural death do not need to be disclosed.Personally if I knew that someone died in a house from whatever causes I would tell my buyer.. We had a house with a violent murder took place and people bought it the moment it came on the market.. It doesnt bother some people..But me I dont think I could ever live in a house someone died in.

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#214258 - 03/24/08 07:34 AM Re: Suicide or murder in a property? [Re: UpNorthGal]
Artiste Offline
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Registered: 06/12/06
Posts: 883
Loc: Sacramento, CA
I think it'd be fun to list a haunted house - we could have a seance (sp?) at the open house....

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