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#151372 - 06/28/07 11:39 AM "No Soliciting"
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For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.

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#151376 - 06/28/07 11:47 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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I mail the info.
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#151381 - 06/28/07 11:59 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Prodigy]
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Then don't solicit, Get something that is of interest to people and go door to door, give it away, introduce yourself, chit chat and move on.

Real Estate is a ruff business, but where there is a will there is a way. If someone complains just move on to the next house and forget about it.

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#151424 - 06/28/07 02:58 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Don't do it! I live in a subdivision with NO SOLICITING clearly visible at the entrance and even a sign next to my doorbell.

I'm constantly amazed at the people who ignore the signs. All they do is irritate the homeowners and ruin any chance of anyone doing business with them.

I had one guy knock on my door at 7:00 A.M. to try and sell pool maintenance. He actually started the conversation with "sorry to bother you so early, I was in hopes of catching you before you left for work." I pointed to the no soliciting sign and he asked what that meant! What an idiot!!!

Sorry to rant... it's not a good idea to violate this request!
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#151449 - 06/28/07 04:19 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor

Real Estate is a ruff business, but where there is a will there is a way. If someone complains just move on to the next house and forget about it.

Jim


Words of wisdom right there.

If you're knocking on cold doors, then I don't think it's a very good idea. If you're knocking an expired or fsbo, they NEED help, you just have to know the right approach, don't let the sign stop you.

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#151478 - 06/28/07 05:54 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: _The_Closer_]
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If someone complains just move on to the next house and forget about it.


At least until they call security and have you booted out, possibly even with a fine to go with it. Yeah! Go for it! Annoy the heck out of people who clearly do not want to be annoyed (the "clearly" ones are like Gulf Winds and have the No Soliciting sign repeated on their property.)

How dumb do you think people are? They're too stupid to figure out that the dopey little handout you give them is really a marketing ploy?

When I am home, I do NOT want to be bothered by ANYONE unless they are friends or have been invited by me. Someone down the road from me has a sign at the end of their driveway that says "If you're not invited, TURN AROUND NOW". I think they mean it...whethere you have some market report or magnet or not.

I have had a few folks knock on my door selling encyclopedias, "taking surveys", selling frozen food/meat, and just about everything you can think of. The only ones I ever consider talking to are the kids (scouts selling cookies, or stuff for school etc.)

HEY, there's an idea: send your KIDS to the doors!!! That's the ticket!! If you don't have kids, hire your neighbors, and send them to the doors with the market report! It's sure to work!


Edited by Perky_REALTOR (06/28/07 05:55 PM)

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#151509 - 06/28/07 07:51 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
[quote]HEY, there's an idea: send your KIDS to the doors!!! That's the ticket!! If you don't have kids, hire your neighbors, and send them to the doors with the market report! It's sure to work!


Wouldn't that violate child labor laws?!

The main thing I'm worried about here is what you said...fines. And like another said, you could get the whole neighborhood angry at you for not abiding by their request to not solicit, and then you'll never do business in the neighborhood. But on the other hand, are people really going to get mad at me for giving them a report on recently sold homes in the neighborhood? And if that's all I do, is that really soliciting? Although I don't think it would be very effective if I didn't ask them if they or someone they know is interested in buying or selling. As far as mailing, there is no way that can be as effective as meeting them face-to-face. Also, I'm new and I don't have the budget available to do a million mailings every month. What I do have is time.

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#151519 - 06/28/07 08:15 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Wouldn't that violate child labor laws?!

Not if they are your kids! wink

The main thing I'm worried about here is what you said...fines. And like another said, you could get the whole neighborhood angry at you for not abiding by their request to not solicit, and then you'll never do business in the neighborhood.

It happens. At my monthly HOA meetings, they always mention who knocked, left a card or marketing info and not to support them because they can't read. They jokingly refer to them as the "reading challenged award winners".

But on the other hand, are people really going to get mad at me for giving them a report on recently sold homes in the neighborhood?

Yes!

And if that's all I do, is that really soliciting?

Why else would you spend the time handing out that info? You expect/hope to get business as a result, right? They aren't stupid, they know exactly why you knocked on their door! Especially when you offer them something that they didn't ask for!

Although I don't think it would be very effective if I didn't ask them if they or someone they know is interested in buying or selling.

You got it!

As far as mailing, there is no way that can be as effective as meeting them face-to-face.

Not true! Why don't you see if they have a monthly HOA newsletter that you can advertise in?

Also, I'm new and I don't have the budget available to do a million mailings every month. What I do have is time.

Pick a farm area & send as many cards as you can afford to, once a month. You may want to divide your list to make it affordable. Month 1, send to list #1, month 2, send to list #2. That way, you're covering the whole farm area every two months. That's six times per year that your reaching everyone! I'd take it a step further and divide the list to odd # addresses for list 1 & even # addresses for list 2. You never know, next door neighbors may talk to each other and bring up your mailing. "Hey George, did you get that card from Huntsyle about blah, blah, blah?" "No Bob, what did it say?"
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#151539 - 06/28/07 08:58 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Gulf Winds]
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You could also ask the local HOA if you could post some market reports in the HOA clubhouse or something...leave a stack on a table or pinned on the bulletin board, etc.


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#151542 - 06/28/07 09:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Futhermore, if you have TIME why not spend time writing BLOGS about the neighborhood.

I have been writing blogs, since late April or early May or so. I took trips out to certain communities and took pictures of the amenities, then wrote an article on the community, including a brief market report. At the end of the article I put a link to sign up for "Instant Email Alerts" - signing up for auto emails from a MLS search letting them know what's come on the market or been reducted, etc.

So far, I have gotten six or seven people writing me asking to get signed up for my email alerts, and I have had two potential buyers contact me and schedule appointments to see houses in the area, AND I got an exclusive listing - all because of my blogs.

These are people who are HAPPY to hear from me because THEY contacted me first.

Because I've been busy the last three weeks, I haven't written many blogs, but the last three that I wrote have all borne fruit of some sort - free.

Didja hear that/ Free. Only cost was the gas to drive around and take some pictures, and the 40 minutes or so I spent writing the blog.

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#151577 - 06/28/07 10:37 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
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If someone complains just move on to the next house and forget about it.


At least until they call security and have you booted out, possibly even with a fine to go with it. Yeah! Go for it! Annoy the heck out of people who clearly do not want to be annoyed (the "clearly" ones are like Gulf Winds and have the No Soliciting sign repeated on their property.)

How dumb do you think people are? They're too stupid to figure out that the dopey little handout you give them is really a marketing ploy?

When I am home, I do NOT want to be bothered by ANYONE unless they are friends or have been invited by me. Someone down the road from me has a sign at the end of their driveway that says "If you're not invited, TURN AROUND NOW". I think they mean it...whethere you have some market report or magnet or not.



Wow your are a real sunny person I guess. I probably would not want to market to a neighborhood full of people like that anyway. Usually they are a waist of time, but boy when they want something your are supposed to just bend over backwards to make em happy.

In most places those neighborhoods with the no soliciting signs are considered a suggestion, not a law. You call the cops for that and you will be the one getting the fine for waisting the cops time. And if you don't want to hand anything out, then just knock on the door and say hi introduce yourself, Like this, Hi, I am James Boyer with Keller Williams Realty, Just stopping by to introduce myself and say hi to my neighbors, I live just over on Morristown Street. Then let the conversation go from there, if it goes no place, then say goodbye and move along. That is not soliciting, it is being neighborly.



Edited by SummitNJ-Realtor (06/28/07 10:41 PM)
Edit Reason: added info.
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#151582 - 06/28/07 10:57 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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I really find this funny. I don't believe that people get annoyed with you if you knock on their door, hand them something, tell them you'll be happy to help if they or anyone they know might need your help, and then move on. I've knocked on a bunch of FSBO doors and have never had anything but smiles. Just do it. If they get mad at you then you wouldn't want to deal with them anyways.

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#151587 - 06/28/07 11:08 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Who said anything about calling the cops? Do you know the difference between hired security and the police?

I also do not think it is appropriate to make personal remarks.

I could say that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and you don't know how to spell "waste" but that wouldn't be nice, would it?

But then again, what can be expected from someone who can't comprehend something as simple as "No Soliciting?"

wink

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#151588 - 06/28/07 11:09 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: shaunLA]
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I've knocked on a bunch of FSBO doors


That's slightly different than trolling a private neighborhood knocking on random doors that say "No Soliciting." Those are people that you at least know MAY want your services.

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#151596 - 06/28/07 11:35 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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I have on three different occasions driven in neighborhoods looking for specific type houses for sale for clients with success.

In one case, my client pointed out four different homes that he was interested in. It was a gated community ("No Soliciting") with lake front properties. I knocked on the door to see if they would consider selling, 3 out of 4 said yes.

Two other times, I drove a neighborhood and randomly asked different homeowners that were outside doing yard work, if they knew of any neighbors thinking about selling. 4 out of 5 did. I actually got 1 listing that eventually sold and sold 1 house to my client.

Why I don't just drive neighborhoods looking for leads, I can't answer. All the other cases I had a ready, willing, and able buyer. It works, I need to get off my butt and start farming like that even without a buyer.

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#151615 - 06/29/07 12:59 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
Wow your are a real sunny person I guess. I probably would not want to market to a neighborhood full of people like that anyway. Usually they are a waist(SIC) of time, but boy when they want something your are supposed to just bend over backwards to make em(SIC) happy.

In most places those neighborhoods with the no soliciting signs are considered a suggestion, not a law.(You are WRONG) You call the cops for that and you will be the one getting the fine for waisting (SIC)the cops time. And if you don't want to hand anything out, then just knock on the door and say hi introduce yourself, Like this, Hi, I am James Boyer with Keller Williams Realty, Just stopping by to introduce myself and say hi to my neighbors, I live just over on Morristown Street. Then let the conversation go from there, if it goes no place, then say goodbye and move along. That is not soliciting, it is being neighborly.


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#151634 - 06/29/07 06:59 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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In one case, my client pointed out four different homes that he was interested in. It was a gated community ("No Soliciting") with lake front properties. I knocked on the door to see if they would consider selling, 3 out of 4 said yes.

Two other times, I drove a neighborhood and randomly asked different homeowners that were outside doing yard work, if they knew of any neighbors thinking about selling. 4 out of 5 did. I actually got 1 listing that eventually sold and sold 1 house to my client.


That is very cool, Mr. Cat.

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#151648 - 06/29/07 08:21 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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There is no such thing as a private neighborhood until you put up a fence, a gate, and man the gate with a security guard who checks everyones ID before they enter. Oh and of course get permission from the local authorities of course. Even then unless the people in such development would need to have privately funded the construction and maintanence of their streets and sidewalks or technically it is public.

Just to get more extreme, any rent a cop who gives me a ticket for anything will see the ticket torn up in front of him/her as said ticket is not worth the paper it is printed on.

We have gone way off to extremes here, in my book it is not soliciting to go around and meet people on their front door step, as long as you don't act like a sales person, trying to sell them now or in the near future. That never works anyway so don't do it. But getting face time with the people that is good, I went to a training session with someone who said if you are geographic farming, a door knock visit is worth 10 letters to that home, in the impact and memorability. People remember people they have personally meet much more than people they get letters from or talk to on the phone.
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#151714 - 06/29/07 02:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Was that a typo? ; )


Edited by Cool Cat (06/29/07 02:04 PM)

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#151722 - 06/29/07 02:36 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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No I think she is in a good mood today.
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#151880 - 06/30/07 11:49 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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the fact that you have to ask the question is proof enough that you know the answer and are just looking for someone else to justify you doing something you already know is (at the very least) in poor taste.
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#151887 - 06/30/07 12:05 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ManFromTheBand]
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Originally Posted By: ManFromTheBand
the fact that you have to ask the question is proof enough that you know the answer and are just looking for someone else to justify you doing something you already know is (at the very least) in poor taste.


Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.
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#151892 - 06/30/07 12:35 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
[Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.


Careful generalizing everyone who posts no solicitation signs!

I mentioned above that my subdivision and my home both have them displayed! I think I'm no better than you and I am expressing my wish for privacy and to not be disturbed. Many times, I work from my home office and I don't have time to answer the door and field questions from people that I have not set an appointment with. Same follows true at my regular office. I have appointments & obligations planned in advance. If I visited with everyone who walks through the door, I would never get my work completed. My time is the most valuable item I have. I can't make more of it and I have to budget what time I do have, in order to make the best use of it.
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#151900 - 06/30/07 01:25 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Gulf Winds]
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Originally Posted By: Gulf Winds
Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
[Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.


Careful generalizing everyone who posts no solicitation signs!

I mentioned above that my subdivision and my home both have them displayed! I think I'm no better than you and I am expressing my wish for privacy and to not be disturbed. Many times, I work from my home office and I don't have time to answer the door and field questions from people that I have not set an appointment with. Same follows true at my regular office. I have appointments & obligations planned in advance. If I visited with everyone who walks through the door, I would never get my work completed. My time is the most valuable item I have. I can't make more of it and I have to budget what time I do have, in order to make the best use of it.


A good answer for that is to politely answer the door and say I am sorry I am in the middle of something and do not wish to be disturbed, or if you are really that busy, don't answer the door, as you are way to busy to go to the door anyway. That is what I do as I work from home at least 4 days a week, and if I am in the middle of something important, I don't go to the door.
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#151911 - 06/30/07 02:21 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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No soliciting means just that...NO SOLICITING!! That means you take your stupid junk and helpful "information" OUT of the neighborhood. Violating a person's desire for privacy is just plain rude. Your excuses for ringing bells and moving on are pathetic and I hope someone, somewhere slaps you with a huge fine because people like you perpetuate the image of the sleazy agent with no respect for boundaries.

Agents need to respect other people's desire for privacy. Blatently ignoring such signs smacks of despiration. It shows a total lack of consideration for the wishes of others. Its sleazy and rude. If you walk all over someone's wishes for privacy - what else are you going to do? Since you obviously doesn't understand BOUNDARIES...does that include legal and OTHER ethical boundaries? My home is my castle and I don't like people coming to my door uninvited - ever. I would certainly remember never to use an agent who violated that wish and to make sure I told everyone I know not to use them. As far as I'm concerned, only a desperate loser would try tactics like that.

Btw, I don't want to HAVE to go to the door to tell someone to go away. I too work from home. If everyone did that, I'd be jumping up from my work all day long. In fact, any one who would try that might find themselves being escorted off my property with the help of my 70 lb. cattle dog mix. He doesn't mess around and neither do I.

If I know someone in a neighborhood like that, I MIGHT arrange to walk the neighborhood with them in a very neutral way. Be introduced etc. However, I would leave the magnetic cards, the market summary's etc. behind. I would simply use it as an opportunity to meet people without discussing real estate. Meeting people without invading their space is one thing, but barging past no soliciting signs is a terrible idea.

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#151913 - 06/30/07 02:38 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor


A good answer for that is to politely answer the door and say I am sorry I am in the middle of something and do not wish to be disturbed, or if you are really that busy, don't answer the door, as you are way to busy to go to the door anyway. That is what I do as I work from home at least 4 days a week, and if I am in the middle of something important, I don't go to the door.


Are we to assume from your statement that calling people on the do not call list is OK as well? They just should not answer the phone?

Your justification for blatantly disregarding a homeowners posted wishes is laughable!

When did it become a homeowners requirement that they explain WHY they don't wish to engage in conversation with someone wandering throughout the neighborhood? A homeowner has already expressed their wish to NOT receive solicitations in the form of signage to that effect!!!
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#151920 - 06/30/07 04:46 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Gulf Winds]
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To respond to everyone...first of all, a No soliciting sign at the front of the neighborhood does not imply that EVERY resident in that neighborhood is going to be mad if you do solicit. To me it is not that big of a deal. There is a no soliciting sign in my neighborhood, but if someone does come to the door, I just politely say no thanks if I'm not interested, or if I'm busy, I just don't answer the door. Like someone else said, if you're going to get extremely upset because someone rings your doorbell, then I probably don't want to do business with you anyway. Someone said being face-to-face is as effective as 10 mailings. I definitely agree with that, which is why I'd rather meet people in person than send out mailings every month and wait a year for anyone to even remember me. At 50 cents per house, you'd be spending $5 per house in 10 mailings. Or I can put together a packet that I print out at the office for free, and spend a couple hours and have the same effect.

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.

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#151999 - 07/01/07 01:17 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
To respond to everyone...first of all, a No soliciting sign at the front of the neighborhood does not imply that EVERY resident in that neighborhood is going to be mad if you do solicit. To me it is not that big of a deal. There is a no soliciting sign in my neighborhood, but if someone does come to the door, I just politely say no thanks if I'm not interested, or if I'm busy, I just don't answer the door. Like someone else said, if you're going to get extremely upset because someone rings your doorbell, then I probably don't want to do business with you anyway. Someone said being face-to-face is as effective as 10 mailings. I definitely agree with that, which is why I'd rather meet people in person than send out mailings every month and wait a year for anyone to even remember me. At 50 cents per house, you'd be spending $5 per house in 10 mailings. Or I can put together a packet that I print out at the office for free, and spend a couple hours and have the same effect.

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.


FINE. Why did you bother asking? You were going to do it anyway - even after most of those who responded said it was a very bad idea. There are people who door knock responding to you. Most said "don't do it." You just didn't want to hear what they were saying. Just recognize that you are in business for yourself and everything you do will reflect back on you - good and bad. Ignoring "no soliciting" signs shows that either you can't read or you have no respect for boundaries that were clearly set up. So you are either tacky or stupid.

Door knocking is frowned upon where I live in general. It is considered rude and intrusive. It took a long time for me to build up business, and I'm still struggling to make it FT. But I did things the old-fashioned way. I built up trust by respecting the wishes and interests of my customers/clients AND prospects. the result is that most of what I get is refereal from past clients and even past prospects who bought nothing. You might want to try being considerate sometime. It's slow, but it works over the long haul.

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#152006 - 07/01/07 05:18 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
Originally Posted By: Huntstyle

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.


FINE. Why did you bother asking? You were going to do it anyway - even after most of those who responded said it was a very bad idea. There are people who door knock responding to you. Most said "don't do it." You just didn't want to hear what they were saying. Just recognize that you are in business for yourself and everything you do will reflect back on you - good and bad. Ignoring "no soliciting" signs shows that either you can't read or you have no respect for boundaries that were clearly set up. So you are either tacky or stupid.


AmberEyez Relax a little bit. By my calculations, it was a 50/50 split who participated in this post. Huntstyle, SummitNJ-Realtor, The Closer, shaun LA, & myself - Cool Cat all said that the no soliciting neighborhoods sign would not in itself deter them. Gulf Winds, Prodigy, Perky_Realtor, ManFromTheBand, and you - AmberEyez, all said that you would not. I would venture to guess that you all would not door knock EVEN if it the neighborhood did not have a posting that said no soliciting. It simply is not your personality style.

I would go out on a limb and say if Huntstyle only got responses from agents who actually participate in door-knocking, then more would say that they do door knock in no soliciting neighborhoods. If there is a door that also has it posted no soliciting then that is another question. I would say as far as effectiveness goes, one would have to look at each persons skill set and base it on a numbers game. (I.E. Knock on x amount of doors and get x results). I would say resistance would be the same percentage wise as neighborhoods without the no soliciting post.

To answer your original post.

Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


I am not a door knocker either. I think there are other better things a person can do with his time that are more productive. However if you do this form of prospecting, keep in mind that it is strictly a numbers game. You have to stay with it for some time to see if this is how you want to do your business.

I have to agree with The Closer, FSBO's and Expireds should be "door knocked". Gulf Winds did bring up one point, if there is an active home owners association, you might get boycotted. Prodigy said to mail, which is also a numbers game. If you are new, I wouldn't go that route due to cost.

If you have a listing in the neighborhood, door knock the immediate neighbors and introduce yourself. Ask if they know of someone that they would like to pick as a neighbor and to please tell them about your listing.

Finally, For my very limited experience in this field, I had success with driving the neighborhoods on a weekend. Just simply stop the car when you see people out doing yard work and ask if they know someone in the neighborhood thinking about moving, because you can help. You are a Realtor.

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#152010 - 07/01/07 07:21 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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I would be much more open to talking to someone who is out in their yard, rather than knocking on the door.

And my comments were all about organized home owner communities - not suburbia.

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#152176 - 07/02/07 04:47 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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I do the yard thing to. I walk neighborhoods and talk to people who are out gardening or walking the dog or playing with the kids. There are only a couple of areas that are conducive to this type of prospecting, but for those neighborhoods, it works.

As for my "attitude problem". I think agents have enough trouble thorwing off the "sleazy, pushing, in-your-face" image without newer agents running around ignoring "no soliciting" signs.

Let me explain what someone coming to MY door entails for me. I have two large dogs. One is very protective. If I'm on the phone or working with someone, I have to stop because of the barking. If someone knocks on my door, I have to chase the dogs away either in the back yard or in another room before answering the door. It is time consuming, interrupts my business and is VERY annoying. A similar situation arises with a mother trying to feed a young child in a high chair or a mother that just put a child down for a nap. The bell rings, wakes the baby etc. This isn't a minor inconvenience for many of us and our desire NOT to be solicited needs to be respected. If every sales person in the area was as inconiderate as Summit NJ and Huntstyle, I'd never be able to work at home at all! Thank God, my area is different in that almost anyone would give a very frosty response from that type of prospecting. People know it and don't try it. We don't even get Girl Scouts - or if we get them its a very rare event.

This type of prospecting - is too in your face for my taste and is cheesy and classless. It also samcks of despiration. In general I think its a bad idea and reflects poorly on your image. there are plenty of people that resent their day being interrupted.

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#152380 - 07/02/07 07:37 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez

Let me explain what someone coming to MY door entails for me. I have two large dogs. One is very protective. If I'm on the phone or working with someone, I have to stop because of the barking. If someone knocks on my door, I have to chase the dogs away either in the back yard or in another room before answering the door. It is time consuming, interrupts my business and is VERY annoying. A similar situation arises with a mother trying to feed a young child in a high chair or a mother that just put a child down for a nap. The bell rings, wakes the baby etc. This isn't a minor inconvenience for many of us and our desire NOT to be solicited needs to be respected. If every sales person in the area was as inconiderate as Summit NJ and Huntstyle, I'd never be able to work at home at all! Thank God, my area is different in that almost anyone would give a very frosty response from that type of prospecting. People know it and don't try it. We don't even get Girl Scouts - or if we get them its a very rare event.


Also, If you are painting and standing on a ladder.

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#152383 - 07/02/07 07:43 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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#152423 - 07/02/07 10:41 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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No I'm serious. Can you imagine how annoying that would be if you were painting and on a ladder and the door bell rings? How about if you worked third shift at some factory across town by the railroad tracks next to McDonalds and you just got home, ran your bubble bath and finally got in, then the bell rings. How inconsiderate!

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#152424 - 07/02/07 10:41 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Personally I think it is pointless to argue about this. It's like the boring arguement that comes up over and over again about the DNC list. People who do it, aren't the type to listen to criticism of their actions, disregarding the wishes of others is what they do. If they don't care when people post a sign asking not to be disturbed, do you think they care if people don't like what they do? They are going to do it no matter what anyone says to them so why waste your breath yelling at them about it?

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#152436 - 07/02/07 11:19 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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No I'm serious. Can you imagine how annoying that would be if you were painting and on a ladder and the door bell rings? How about if you worked third shift at some factory across town by the railroad tracks next to McDonalds and you just got home, ran your bubble bath and finally got in, then the bell rings. How inconsiderate!


It still was a funny image though. As long as I'm not the painter.

Actually, most of my experience with people knocking on my door to sell something HAS been at an inconvenient time. One time I was just starting supper and the guy (book salesman) KNEW it was supper time because he said "I hate to bother you at dinner time..." and I said "Yes, actually I was just starting supper, soo.." and he goes "Mmmm, it smells delicious. What is it?" and I got annoyed because he was lying. I had just put on a pot of water to cook pasta. Nothing else. I said "I didn't know hot water could smell so good."

I then told him that I was busy and to please go away and tell his supervisor to take our name off his route. Another time, Jehovah's Witnesses came by when I was sick, and asleep on the couch.

When I am in my house with my door shut, I do not want to be bothered by the outside world unless someone is invited. Like the medieval castles with moats and drawbridges...man, that's the life! wink

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#152773 - 07/03/07 08:13 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
If every sales person in the area was as inconiderate as Summit NJ and Huntstyle, I'd never be able to work at home at all! Thank God, my area is different in that almost anyone would give a very frosty response from that type of prospecting. People know it and don't try it. We don't even get Girl Scouts - or if we get them its a very rare event.

This type of prospecting - is too in your face for my taste and is cheesy and classless. It also samcks of despiration. In general I think its a bad idea and reflects poorly on your image. there are plenty of people that resent their day being interrupted.


Way to judge a book by its cover! For your information, I have never door knocked before, and never said that I intended to do it in no soliciting neighborhoods. Why do you think I asked about it first?

If you are so bothered by people coming to your door, then why don't you fill it in with a wall and remove the doorbell? In fact, while you're at it, just surround your whole property with barbed wire fence! That should keep those evil solicitors away!

I bet you are proud for running the Girls Scouts organization into the ground! There should be more people like you in the world to get rid of these nasty evil organizations whose sole purpose is to ruin your day and waste your time by ringing your doorbell!

That is quite a negative attitude you have. You will enjoy life so much more if you learn to let the little things go.

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#153667 - 07/07/07 12:53 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Door knocking, just do it. Some of those signs above the doorbell have been there through 3 or more owners. I remember sitting in a coffee shop and a guy running a soliciting crew was telling his trainees that sign means I have low sales resistance.

I always ignored them and nothing ever happened, the few times it was pointed out to me and I didn't have some non-soliciting purpose attached to my visit, I just said sorry I thought that was for the magazine subscription salespeople, and those kind of people.

Only once didn't I ring a bell, and it was because of a "do not disturb, baby sleeping" sign. As I was driving by on my way to go home a 80'ish woman came out to water her lawn, I stopped to talk to her and she told me the sign worked fine, she got the idea when she visited one of her newborn great-grandchildren.

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#153672 - 07/07/07 01:25 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
I do the yard thing to. I walk neighborhoods and talk to people who are out gardening or walking the dog or playing with the kids. There are only a couple of areas that are conducive to this type of prospecting, but for those neighborhoods, it works.

As for my "attitude problem". I think agents have enough trouble thorwing off the "sleazy, pushing, in-your-face" image without newer agents running around ignoring "no soliciting" signs.

Let me explain what someone coming to MY door entails for me. I have two large dogs. One is very protective. If I'm on the phone or working with someone, I have to stop because of the barking. If someone knocks on my door, I have to chase the dogs away either in the back yard or in another room before answering the door. It is time consuming, interrupts my business and is VERY annoying. A similar situation arises with a mother trying to feed a young child in a high chair or a mother that just put a child down for a nap. The bell rings, wakes the baby etc. This isn't a minor inconvenience for many of us and our desire NOT to be solicited needs to be respected. If every sales person in the area was as inconiderate as Summit NJ and Huntstyle, I'd never be able to work at home at all! Thank God, my area is different in that almost anyone would give a very frosty response from that type of prospecting. People know it and don't try it. We don't even get Girl Scouts - or if we get them its a very rare event.

This type of prospecting - is too in your face for my taste and is cheesy and classless. It also samcks of despiration. In general I think its a bad idea and reflects poorly on your image. there are plenty of people that resent their day being interrupted.



Well no one forces you to answer the doorbell, just as no one forces you to answer the phone or read an email. I can look out my window and decide if it is anyone I want to open the door for, and I often opt not to open the door, like when the Jehovah's witnesses are around. You know you ALWAYS can spot them.

My friends and family all have cell phones, so if they were at the door they could call me to open the door ( even if I did not answer the phone when they start to leave a message I can hear what they are saying).

But what really urks me is DNC , opt out mail and on one answers the door, what options does that leave anyone? Yes you might as well live in a castle with a moat with that kind of attitude.
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#153712 - 07/07/07 05:45 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: RealtorBarbaraT]
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Quote:
But what really urks me is DNC , opt out mail and on one answers the door, what options does that leave anyone? Yes you might as well live in a castle with a moat with that kind of attitude.


Some people just do not like to be bothered.

Before the DNC list, we often got 3 - 4 soliciting phone calls a day. At supper time, at this, at that. Sure, I can choose not to answer the phone, but why can't I choose not to be bothered IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Why should [non soliciting folks] have to ignore "you" ? ("You" being a general term).


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#153785 - 07/08/07 01:16 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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I do not like calls either ( but I also screen my calls), but now that there is a do not mail list along with it, how will you contact people?
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#153792 - 07/08/07 07:15 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: RealtorBarbaraT]
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I'm pretty darn busy right now with people contacting me from my blog, my craigslist ads, our office website, and personal referrals.

I got one listing and several buyer leads as a result of my blog.

Our office has received upcalls for listings after sellers have been on our website and liked what they saw...I got a listing from an upcall the other day. Another listing I got was an open listing - I know a company that sells their own property but also offers their properties to real estate offices as opens - I called them and asked to list their house (from which I have gotten tons of leads).

My last listing actually was the result of a farming campaign that the office did. It's a small piece of land.

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#153822 - 07/08/07 12:09 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Hunstyle: You made it perfectly clear that you did not WANT to obey the no soliciting signs. You have no intention of doing so and you are not concerned in the least that you are disobeying the homeowners express wishes, you are just wondering whether you can get away with it! When I put up a "no soliciting" sign at my door I expect sales people to RESPECT THAT. Period. You don't, you are trespassing. The last thing I want is new real estate agent who is just licensed and doesn't know what they are doing yet soliciting me when I expressly asked not to be solicited.

To the person who said I could just "ignore the door". NO I CAN'T! I have dogs and a lot of my work is on the phone. Someone crosses over my property line to ring the bell, it sets off the dogs. I have to hang up and call the person back. This interferes with my ability to do business and it is not appreciated.

If I want help from someone in sales, I will seek someone out. I do not like being approached at all. That's a reality that most sales people don't want to deal with. People are constantly under assualt froms sales people selling God only knows what - and they are absolutely sick to death of it. The fact that a federal DNC list was even established shows how angry the public is at solicitation. No one WANTS us bothering them. When I was working in my other field my attitude was this: if you need to bludgeon people with your presence, if you need to solicit that much that you ignore "no soliciting" signs, then you probably should be doing something else and you are obviously not busy enough. Why would I use a person who spends most of their time soliciting business in the most annoying way possible? If they are so busy getting new business, are they paying any attention to the clients they have signed up? Probably not.

The point is I don't want anyone contacting me about anything until I seek out help. That is the way 99% of the public feel too. What we need to do is put ourselves out there so that people will come to us when the time comes. You have to be imaginative and market yourself. The best ways for that are:

Web site - people come to YOU - you don't chase THEM and drive them crazy.
Blog - see above
Uptime - not so great, but I've gotten sales
Open Houses - good way to find people who are looking.
Family and friends - this takes time because they know you are new...but it will pay off over time.

Real estate agents get mad when they are not viewed as "professional." The same group then insists on engaging in behavior that is intrusive and as unprofessional and inconsiderate as it can get. Houston, we have a problem!

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#153827 - 07/08/07 12:22 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Hooray!!!

AmberEyez... you are my new hero.

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#153835 - 07/08/07 12:53 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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Good Lord, I know people want to be left alone but are we all such an island that this is how we get over incidental human contact?

The Mormons come to my door often. I thought I would have been put on the do not knock list by now. Anyway, sure it is a bother but so what? I am courteous and tell them I appreciate their knock but I am not interested. The Edward Jones man comes along as well. Along come the Scouts, neighborhood children selling wrapping paper, the fence and magazine folks too.

They don't all come in the same day.

I have had sleeping and nursing children, barking dogs and ladders. When I was on the ladder, I got down, opened the nearest window and told them I couldn't come to the door. Still it is not that much of an issue.

I enjoy my privacy like everyone else, but I don't loathe human contact with people outside of my tiny little sphere.


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#153895 - 07/08/07 06:52 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ReallyReal]
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It is not incidental human contact. Incidental human contact occurs when you are out in your yard, and someone walks by and says "Hello, nice day! Enjoying the weather?" and then I would say "Yes, that's why I'm out side! I needed a break. Are you getting some exercise or just going for a stroll?" and then the conversation may or may not continue depending on the comfort level or if my dog has scared them away or made friends.

Incidental human contact is just that - incidental, unplanned, casual, and neighborly.

Soliciting is specifically to get something from me - regardless of whether it's disguised by a free market report (that I didn't request) or it be some group trying to evangelize me, it's soliciting and it's deliberate, not "incidental."

The last two people who came to my door really irked me not because they were soliciting so much but because they were trying to use smooth techniques to butter me up that were blatanly tacky and repulsive. The guy telling me my supper smelled delicious and he wished he could have some (boiling water was all he smelled, maybe along with some spilled juice on the carpet.) Another one (these were Jehovah's Witnesses) asking me if my mother was home (I was 34 or 35 at the time and trust me, I do NOT look ANYTHING like a teenager, especially that day.)

Those people got a hard time from me. Other guys, who were just normal ("Hi ma'am, I was wondering where you get your meat...") got a polite "No thanks, not interested, have a nice day."

Lest anyone think I'm some kind of ogre (Well, I ended up being one to the people who asked me where my mother was...lol...).

I can be very annoyed but still remain polite.

Yes, if I'm in my house with the door shut, and the sign says No Soliciting, then, dam* it, I mean it!

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#153907 - 07/08/07 07:57 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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As a salesperson I find it funny when people use what they think are sales techniques. I also don't view it as 'they are trying to get something out of me.' They like many of us are looking for those who are interested. I am in control at all times.

Do I think people should obey your sign? Absolutely!!

I am just cut from a different cloth. I figure everyone is trying to eek out a living and it just doesn't take that much out of me. However, that doesn't mean I am going to make a purchase.

Door closed or open, working out front or standing on a ladder, sign or no sign, it doesn't raise my blood pressure for people to approach me when I didn't invite them.

We all have different responses.

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#153910 - 07/08/07 08:09 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
if you need to bludgeon people with your presence, if you need to solicit that much that you ignore "no soliciting" signs, then you probably should be doing something else and you are obviously not busy enough. Why would I use a person who spends most of their time soliciting business in the most annoying way possible? If they are so busy getting new business, are they paying any attention to the clients they have signed up? Probably not.


Well that is your view, and that is fine. But that is not everyone's view. Some people may see the guy knocking on doors as being aggressive, and a go-getter, and the type of person they want selling their house. If you stop prospecting, then you will stop getting business, so just because I show up at your door that means I spend no time with my clients? I'm not going to spend 10 hours a day knocking on doors.

Here's my issue with the things you suggested. They are the lazy way out. What does that say about you that you'd rather sit around and wait for people to call you instead of going out and finding those people? Sure, I'd love to be able to just sit at my desk and be so busy answering phone calls from people wanting to sell their house that I can't even blink without the phone ringing! Unfortunately, that's not really how it works. I do plan to do some internet marketing, but that alone is not going to give me enough business to earn the kind of money I want to earn. As for my SOI, well it's rather small. I have a small family, and I've never been the type to have a ton of friends, just a handful of close ones. So waiting for them to come around and sell their house, or give me a referral would not be very profitable. At the MOST, I'm only expecting about 3 sales per year from my current SOI. And since those won't be multi-million dollar homes, that just won't cut it! As for open houses, again, you are just waiting for people to come to you. Spending 3 hours and only having contact with 3-5 people, who often are already working with a Realtor, or are just a nosy neighbor, is also not very effective.

Someone mentioned Edward Jones, and I'm glad they did! This company was voted #1 on Fortune's best companies to work for like 3 years in a row, and remains on the list every year. Their Investment Representatives make a LOT of money, and guess how they ALL start? By knocking on doors!

Anyway, I have decided to target a very popular area in my city that is just city streets, not a subdivision, so there are not "no soliciting" signs anywhere.

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#153930 - 07/08/07 09:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Maintaining a website and keeping a blog current can hardly be called lazy or "the easy way out."

It is in fact quite challenging and time consuming to write something relevant, attractive to buyers and sellers, search engine friendly, eye appealing, attention getting, unique, and interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#153931 - 07/08/07 09:06 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ReallyReal]
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Good Lord, I know people want to be left alone but are we all such an island that this is how we get over incidental human contact?

The Mormons come to my door often. I thought I would have been put on the do not knock list by now. Anyway, sure it is a bother but so what? I am courteous and tell them I appreciate their knock but I am not interested. The Edward Jones man comes along as well. Along come the Scouts, neighborhood children selling wrapping paper, the fence and magazine folks too.

They don't all come in the same day.

I have had sleeping and nursing children, barking dogs and ladders. When I was on the ladder, I got down, opened the nearest window and told them I couldn't come to the door. Still it is not that much of an issue.

I enjoy my privacy like everyone else, but I don't loathe human contact with people outside of my tiny little sphere.



Good post. Are there really THAT many people knocking on doors, in real estate and other businesses, that it's THAT much of an intrusion? Where I live is way above average in the Jehovah's Witness population and even I don't get door knocked by them that often. When they do come, I just don't answer the door.

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#153944 - 07/08/07 10:21 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paceryder]
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i find it funny that people in sales are so against soliciting!

we can call ourselves realtors or associate brokers, sales associates or real estate professionals at the end of the day we are in sales and the way to make money is to solicit. people just have different ways of doing it. if doorknocking was a waste people would not do it.(whether we like to admit it or not we are all salespeople). if we hit our soi, cold call, direct market or doorknock dont forget fliers on cars or doorhangers internet capture systems to talking house we all solicit in one way or another.


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#153949 - 07/08/07 10:44 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Incidental human contact is just that - incidental, unplanned, casual, and neighborly.

Soliciting is specifically to get something from me

I do NOT look ANYTHING like a teenager, especially that day.

Other guys, who were just normal I can be very annoyed but still remain polite.


I'm sorry, I have just been speed reading this post.

What exactly are we talking about?

I thought Soliciting was only legal in Las Vegas?


Edited by Cool Cat (07/08/07 10:59 PM)
Edit Reason: I mean Nevada

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#154351 - 07/10/07 11:36 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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One last thought, yes we are sales people, and I was taught by my mentor to go out and meet the ships, that way you get to them all and get to them first, even the ones that didn't plan on docking at your port.

When I joined a 6,800 member mls I wanted to see what the top people in the area where doing, and I found out that numbers 1,2,and 3 were all door knockers and I followed their lead and never regretted it even though the first couple of years I wanted to throw up each day I had it scheduled.

The number 4 agent was even worse and I couldn't follow his lead, he started calling expireds at 5am. That I could never do but 90% of his business was expireds, I thougt of trying at 8am but couldn't even do that.

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#154405 - 07/10/07 01:19 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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After reading your stay on target attitude I can only come to the conclusion that you are dense. You fail to realize that No Solicitation means just that! It does not mean everyone BUT You!

If an apartment complex has a No Soliciting sign posted then don't knock doors or leave any materials on the property. If a subdivision with a HOA has it posted then send them a postcard or find another way to introduce yourself.

[b] This does Not mean we are saying you cannot or should not door knock! What we are saying is find someplace that is not posted No Solicitation! [/b]

I have an apartment complex that is posted No Solicitation without prior approval from the management. I have given permission to several businesses to leave coupons and such in clear bags on the door knobs. I allow school groups, scouts, etc.. to do their fundraisers but I do not allow agents to prospect to my tenants!

Sometime back I had a problem with an agent with just your mentality who thought the rules did not apply to him. My resident manager warned him once and he was back the next week. I called his cell and office number and told him he was banned from the property. A week later he was back with his flyers. I paid a kid from the complex to go around and collect all his marketing materials which I took to the brokerage office and dropped all the flyers all over his desk. The other agents in the office though it was really funny. I had a long talk with his managing broker and was assured it would be the last time but a few days later he was back again. I had a meeting with both he and his broker present that should it happen again I would file a complaint against both agent and broker with ILDFPR and I am sure they would not be sympathetic since the agent was committing a crime while acting as a licensed agent. That solved the problem!

The point is there are plenty of homes and areas without No Solicitation signs to door knock.

Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
if you need to bludgeon people with your presence, if you need to solicit that much that you ignore "no soliciting" signs, then you probably should be doing something else and you are obviously not busy enough. Why would I use a person who spends most of their time soliciting business in the most annoying way possible? If they are so busy getting new business, are they paying any attention to the clients they have signed up? Probably not.


Well that is your view, and that is fine. But that is not everyone's view. Some people may see the guy knocking on doors as being aggressive, and a go-getter, and the type of person they want selling their house. If you stop prospecting, then you will stop getting business, so just because I show up at your door that means I spend no time with my clients? I'm not going to spend 10 hours a day knocking on doors.

Here's my issue with the things you suggested. They are the lazy way out. What does that say about you that you'd rather sit around and wait for people to call you instead of going out and finding those people? Sure, I'd love to be able to just sit at my desk and be so busy answering phone calls from people wanting to sell their house that I can't even blink without the phone ringing! Unfortunately, that's not really how it works. I do plan to do some internet marketing, but that alone is not going to give me enough business to earn the kind of money I want to earn. As for my SOI, well it's rather small. I have a small family, and I've never been the type to have a ton of friends, just a handful of close ones. So waiting for them to come around and sell their house, or give me a referral would not be very profitable. At the MOST, I'm only expecting about 3 sales per year from my current SOI. And since those won't be multi-million dollar homes, that just won't cut it! As for open houses, again, you are just waiting for people to come to you. Spending 3 hours and only having contact with 3-5 people, who often are already working with a Realtor, or are just a nosy neighbor, is also not very effective.

Someone mentioned Edward Jones, and I'm glad they did! This company was voted #1 on Fortune's best companies to work for like 3 years in a row, and remains on the list every year. Their Investment Representatives make a LOT of money, and guess how they ALL start? By knocking on doors!

Anyway, I have decided to target a very popular area in my city that is just city streets, not a subdivision, so there are not "no soliciting" signs anywhere.
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#154478 - 07/10/07 04:50 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Incidental human contact is just that - incidental, unplanned, casual, and neighborly.

Soliciting is specifically to get something from me

I do NOT look ANYTHING like a teenager, especially that day.

Other guys, who were just normal I can be very annoyed but still remain polite.


I'm sorry, I have just been speed reading this post.

What exactly are we talking about?

I thought Soliciting was only legal in Las Vegas?


I believe it's legal in The Netherlands too, along with lots of other stuff. wink

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#154505 - 07/10/07 06:29 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: estatereal]
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i find it funny that people in sales are so against soliciting!

we can call ourselves realtors or associate brokers, sales associates or real estate professionals at the end of the day we are in sales and the way to make money is to solicit. people just have different ways of doing it. if doorknocking was a waste people would not do it.(whether we like to admit it or not we are all salespeople). if we hit our soi, cold call, direct market or doorknock dont forget fliers on cars or doorhangers internet capture systems to talking house we all solicit in one way or another.


I agree, I got very nice to telemarketers after I got into sales.

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#154559 - 07/10/07 09:06 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Who said anything about calling the cops? Do you know the difference between hired security and the police?


I know the difference.... hired security = fat and out of shape, the police = see hired security + 50 lbs

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#154576 - 07/10/07 09:24 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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I am guilty of soliciting where no soliciting signs are posted in apartment complexes.

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#154596 - 07/10/07 10:21 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Are you one of those agents who thinks that No Soliciting sign could not possibly apply to you?

Originally Posted By: Kep
I am guilty of soliciting where no soliciting signs are posted in apartment complexes.
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#154605 - 07/10/07 10:33 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Paul Oaks,

Does no soliciting mean you can not knock on doors?

Does no soliciting mean I can not knock on doors and just say Hi?

Is this soliciting? Hello, my name is John Smith and I work for ABC Realtors and just wanted to introduce my self.

Is this solicting? Hello, my name is John Smith with ABC Realtors and I was curious if you were considering selling you home?

Is this soliciting? A shopping mall posts outside their doors no soliciting but you go inside that mall and solicit, are you in violation?

Paul, the answer yes is only correct to one of those questions, which one?




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#154612 - 07/10/07 10:51 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Paul, while you look those over I'll be posting my reply...

To solicit one needs to ask for trade or contributions.

#1)Does no soliciting mean you can not knock on doors?

No, people have twisted what soliciting means and have come to assume it means you can not knock on doors.

#2) Hello....I just wanted to introduce myself.

No it is not soliciting, again I just introduced myself never asked for trade ro contributions.

#3) Hello... considering selling your home? Yes, I am now asking for trade.

#4) A shopping mall posts no soliciting.... You are free to solicit in a shopping mall since it is considered a public forum, free speech comes into play here.

Here is another scenario.... Some towns require you to register before you solicit in their town. I go to the town hall and register. I then proceed to enter a community that posts "no soliciting" signs. Am I in the wrong and could I be fined?

No the town law trumps any HOA/private community so forth.

In most cases the court will rule in your favor to solicit due to free speech rights the reason why Jehovah's win 99.9% of cases brought up against them for soliciting, they always claim their right to free speech.







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#154639 - 07/11/07 12:11 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Does no soliciting mean you can not knock on doors?
No but this one is plain stupid as nobody just goes to the door and knocks!

Does no soliciting mean I can not knock on doors and just say Hi?
See answer for the above question.

Is this soliciting? Hello, my name is John Smith and I work for ABC Realtors and just wanted to introduce my self.

Yes, any reasonable person would feel this was a solictation

Is this solicting? Hello, my name is John Smith with ABC Realtors and I was curious if you were considering selling you home?
Yes, Definately qualifies as a Solicitation

Is this soliciting? A shopping mall posts outside their doors no soliciting but you go inside that mall and solicit, are you in violation?
Definately Solicitation

Paul, the answer yes is only correct to one of those questions, which one?

That would be 3 yes and 2 no

It appears you are indeed one of those people that feel the sign simply cannot apply to them.



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#154642 - 07/11/07 12:24 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Sorry Kep but soliciting in the posted mall without being a tenant of the mall is a definate no no! Free speech does not give you the right to setup shop in the mall and conduct business.

Your town example is also incorrect. Just because you have registered and paid the required fee to solicit within the city limits does not allow you to disregard a posted neighborhood or individual property.

Unfortunately Religious visitors and Politicians are something you can never quite get rid of and of course agents like you that fails to understand I don't want you at my door!


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#154644 - 07/11/07 12:40 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks


Does no soliciting mean you can not knock on doors?
No but this one is plain stupid as nobody just goes to the door and knocks!

Does no soliciting mean I can not knock on doors and just say Hi?
See answer for the above question.

Is this soliciting? Hello, my name is John Smith and I work for ABC Realtors and just wanted to introduce my self.

Yes, any reasonable person would feel this was a solictation

Is this solicting? Hello, my name is John Smith with ABC Realtors and I was curious if you were considering selling you home?
Yes, Definately qualifies as a Solicitation

Is this soliciting? A shopping mall posts outside their doors no soliciting but you go inside that mall and solicit, are you in violation?
Definately Solicitation

Paul, the answer yes is only correct to one of those questions, which one?

That would be 3 yes and 2 no

It appears you are indeed one of those people that feel the sign simply cannot apply to them.

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Some signs do, some signs don't. I just disregard signs in apartment communities, too much business in there to pass up.

Yep some questions were plain stupid but I wanted to hear your feedback, "what a person would feel" as you stated, does not make it soliciting but I am glad you chose those words.

Paul, I "feel" you do very little in real estate sales. No need to respond defending yourself, just an example that what "a person feels" doesn't mean it is.

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#154646 - 07/11/07 12:52 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Paul, not to get off topic but I have to throw this out at you due to your response to the town law that grants me the right to solicit in that town.

Say I want to install solar electric on the roof of my home. The town has a law on the books that I have a right to install solar on my home. Let's say I live in an HOA and the by-laws state clearly no solar can be installed on the rooftops. Can they stop me?

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#154667 - 07/11/07 03:50 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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If your home is part of a HOA there are likely deed restrictions that allow the HOA to enforce its by-laws. You purchased the home knowing there was a HOA and agreed to abide by its by-laws.

Originally Posted By: Kep
Paul, not to get off topic but I have to throw this out at you due to your response to the town law that grants me the right to solicit in that town.

Say I want to install solar electric on the roof of my home. The town has a law on the books that I have a right to install solar on my home. Let's say I live in an HOA and the by-laws state clearly no solar can be installed on the rooftops. Can they stop me?
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#154668 - 07/11/07 03:58 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Kep,
What a reasonable person feels is what the jury would use to decide guilt or innocence when you get arrested for trespassing when you ignore one of those signs at an apartment complex one time too many times!
That same standard will be used by your state real estate commission when an apartment complex owner or property manager file a complaint on you.

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#154669 - 07/11/07 04:06 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


I bring a permanent marker and on all the signs change the "no" to "noon", then I show up at noon. Or, I change the "N" to a "G"...making it "Go Soliciting". If anyone complains, I kindly point out the signs that authorize my solicitation.

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#154678 - 07/11/07 05:46 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ericka]
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When people put up a No Soliciting sign - they don't want people knocking on their door - for any reason. What the signs should really say is: "Please respect my desire for peace and privacy and go away."

This seems pretty darn black and white to me. For those of you who don't mind being "knocked", don't put up a sign. But for those of us who really don't want to chit-chat with strangers, we shouldn't have to defend ourselves against accusations that we're weird or anti-social.

So, Please Respect Our Desire for Peace and Privacy!
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#154681 - 07/11/07 05:54 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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I agree, Jennifer!! What part of "No Soliciting" do intelligent professionals NOT understand??? Sheesh!!



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#154685 - 07/11/07 06:48 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Elecat]
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Originally Posted By: estatereal
i find it funny that people in sales are so against soliciting!

we can call ourselves realtors or associate brokers, sales associates or real estate professionals at the end of the day we are in sales and the way to make money is to solicit. people just have different ways of doing it. if doorknocking was a waste people would not do it.(whether we like to admit it or not we are all salespeople). if we hit our soi, cold call, direct market or doorknock dont forget fliers on cars or doorhangers internet capture systems to talking house we all solicit in one way or another.


IMHO, certain personalities do not feel "comfortable" door knocking, so they choose not to.

However, if other agents get leads by door knocking then it seems to me that the people CRYING FOUL are the ones that do not feel "comfortable" doing so themselves. It's like, just because I may choose to not door knock, I also do not want anyone else getting an advantage over me by door knocking themselves. By reading some of your posts, it strikes me as sour grapes.

Personally, I do not door knock subdivisions but I have door knocked fsbo's and expireds. There are agents that choose not to work with fsbo's in my office and get upset with me when I "help" fsbo's in their marketing of their own home. Another case of sour grapes.

Honestly, Working your SOI is more productive than door knocking, direct mail, image advertising, working the phone, posting ugly yellow signs around town, classified advertising for leads, or sitting at open houses. If an agent chooses to solicit that way, more power to him.

Finally, Is it just me or did images of secks (sic) come to mind from the post below when speaking about Incidental human contact I must admit neighborly in that context seemed a little bit overly friendly. wink


Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Incidental human contact is just that - incidental, unplanned, casual, and neighborly.

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#154686 - 07/11/07 07:20 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Paul, not to get off topic but I have to throw this out at you due to your response to the town law that grants me the right to solicit in that town.

Say I want to install solar electric on the roof of my home. The town has a law on the books that I have a right to install solar on my home. Let's say I live in an HOA and the by-laws state clearly no solar can be installed on the rooftops. Can they stop me?


If it's in the deed covenants and restrictions, yes. You could live in a township that has no zoning regs about multi family houses, but you could purchase in a HOA that restricts the homes to single family.

And if you do break the covenant and nobody stops you, then the principal of laches comes into play - they can not stop you because they were lax in doing so to begin with. I'm not sure how long of a time period "they" have to enforce their rule though.

I don't care if people door knock, Cool Cat. you are correct in that I am uncomfortable with it. What I do care about is REALTORS ignoring signs and door knocking anyway because they think the signs don't apply to them. It gives the whole profession another black mark - in fact it makes us a little lower than used car salesman. Do they go knocking on doors?

I also don't think my little phrase was too familiar...?

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#154709 - 07/11/07 08:47 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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My bad!

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#154720 - 07/11/07 09:15 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks
If your home is part of a HOA there are likely deed restrictions that allow the HOA to enforce its by-laws. You purchased the home knowing there was a HOA and agreed to abide by its by-laws.


Paul you are wrong bud. The reason why I used that as an example was because that situation applied to me. I went through all the proper motions before the board and moved ahead with adding solar. They claimed two things about the solar...

1) Their by-laws stated no solar.

The judge told them the town law trumps HOA's.

2) They claimed their clause about aesthetics.

Again town law trumps the HOA but the judge said aesthetics was too broad and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The end result, I was able to install the solar. The HOA realized they can not enforce their solar policy due to the law but so they put guidelines in place for future installations.


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#154748 - 07/11/07 10:25 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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No solicitation to means exactly what it says. "don't bother me!" There's always somebody trying to get around rules just to prove a point; like the DNC. Move in another direction, because this is a waste of time and energy.
I personally don't want anybody knocking on my door uninvited. When I get home I don't want to be bothered. Not everybody feels that way. For that reason, I don't door-knock. If it works for you, go for it. But please have some respect.
One unfortunate member of a religious organization tried to put her foot in my door after being told politely to go away. ---She did go away, but she was limping.
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#154751 - 07/11/07 10:28 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ky realtor]
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no soliciting mean "DONT BUG ME" : )

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#154761 - 07/11/07 10:51 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Kep,
It appears you have not only a sign reading problem but also a reading comprehension problem. I specifically said the if there are DEED RESTRICTIONS in place in that HOA then the association can enforce the restriction. If I the developer of a subdivision feel that solar panels are ugly and do not want them on the homes in my subdivision I would include a deed restriction against them and that would be included in the HOA by-laws and would indeed be enforceable. This was obviously not that case for your HOA or they would have appealed and the judge's verdict would have been overturned on appeal. To make matters worse they could have done a special assessment to recover the attorney fees and if you refuse to pay they can put a lien on your house.

Better hope the HOA does not appeal the judge's ruling or you may be out alot of money.

Originally Posted By: Kep
Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks
If your home is part of a HOA there are likely deed restrictions that allow the HOA to enforce its by-laws. You purchased the home knowing there was a HOA and agreed to abide by its by-laws.


Paul you are wrong bud. The reason why I used that as an example was because that situation applied to me. I went through all the proper motions before the board and moved ahead with adding solar. They claimed two things about the solar...

1) Their by-laws stated no solar.

The judge told them the town law trumps HOA's.

2) They claimed their clause about aesthetics.

Again town law trumps the HOA but the judge said aesthetics was too broad and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The end result, I was able to install the solar. The HOA realized they can not enforce their solar policy due to the law but so they put guidelines in place for future installations.

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#154830 - 07/11/07 03:30 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks
Kep,
It appears you have not only a sign reading problem but also a reading comprehension problem.


Seems like we both have the comprehension problem since the original post was about by-laws with no mention to deed restrictions.

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#154832 - 07/11/07 03:32 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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They could appeal all they want they would still lose.

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#154839 - 07/11/07 04:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Kep, I think you got lucky, you probably had an environmentalist judge. lol Or it could be that the judge deemed the covenants unenforceable for whatever reason. Maybe they were not properly recorded or ratified. You can not build an entire argument on just one isolated and unique case without more facts on why the judge overturned the more restrictive covenants.

My understanding is that with certain exceptions, more restrictive "local" laws/restrictions/ordinances will "trump" more lenient "regional" ones (for want of better terms...) as long as they are not illegal to begin with. I.E., you can't have a local law saying that it's okay for 18 year olds to drink if the state law is more restrictive and says it has to be 21...

At least that is how I understand it... I am not articulating it as well as a real estate attorney or an agent with more experience in this area would be able to.

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#154906 - 07/11/07 09:43 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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Originally Posted By: Kep
Paul, not to get off topic but I have to throw this out at you due to your response to the town law that grants me the right to solicit in that town.

Say I want to install solar electric on the roof of my home. The town has a law on the books that I have a right to install solar on my home. Let's say I live in an HOA and the by-laws state clearly no solar can be installed on the rooftops. Can they stop me?


I would say yes. My community has covenants and restrictions agains having laundry lines and having to have lights at the end of the driveways, for two things. Also we are not allowed to rent our houses. As far as I know, these things are allowed by our town. smile

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#154947 - 07/11/07 11:33 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paceryder]
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Not to change the subject, but...

Has any one seen the movie Barfly starring Mickey Rourke and Faye Dunaway?

Here is one of my favorite lines.

"To all of my friends"



Let us all agree to disagree and shake hands.

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#154965 - 07/12/07 01:23 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paceryder]
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Originally Posted By: Paceryder
Originally Posted By: Kep
Paul, not to get off topic but I have to throw this out at you due to your response to the town law that grants me the right to solicit in that town.

Say I want to install solar electric on the roof of my home. The town has a law on the books that I have a right to install solar on my home. Let's say I live in an HOA and the by-laws state clearly no solar can be installed on the rooftops. Can they stop me?


I would say yes. My community has covenants and restrictions agains having laundry lines and having to have lights at the end of the driveways, for two things. Also we are not allowed to rent our houses. As far as I know, these things are allowed by our town. smile


Poor analogy there. That has nothing to do with laws set in place to prevent an HOA from ruling in certain situations.

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#155136 - 07/13/07 12:55 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Kep]
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No soliciting, do you mail things, do they go to places with no soliciting signs, yes they do and in that case you are just as guilty of soliciting as if I knocked on the door. Same with the do not call list.

So to comply with the wishes many of you express you should check the do not call status, the address status, whether there is a no soliciting situation, and when meeting someone new we should find out their personal solicitation policy before we offer a business card or ask a question.

Are you just a bunch of wimps who can't tell someone at the door I don't wish to be disturbed and I don't do business at my front door. Or, do you just love whining about being solicited, and yet that is what your chosen career really consist of.

In order to be true to your beliefs each of you should quit your real estate careers and find something where you won't ever solicit someone ever, by any means, ever. Hypocrisy runs rampant here.

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#155159 - 07/13/07 06:27 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Bay Area Brian]
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Brian,

I don't know if I agree about door knocking and mailing to be the same thing, but to answer your questions... No, I did not mail things (except to my opt-in SOI) and no, I NEVER called a stranger to ask for business. Mainly due to the same reason I don't want to be door-knocked - I highly value my privacy and therefore respect the privacy of others.

My career (selling real estate or otherwise) has never consisted of soliciting. I provide a product or service that some people want. Those who want it, contact me for it. It's a wonderful way to run a business for an introvert like me!

If you don't mind being solicited by others, then perhaps you can make a stronger argument for doing it yourself. Those of us who don't like to be marketed to probably don't do it to others.
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#155163 - 07/13/07 06:52 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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Are you just a bunch of wimps who can't tell someone at the door I don't wish to be disturbed and I don't do business at my front door.


Trust me. I do not mind telling people off if I feel it is needed. There is no need to call me or anyone else a "wimp". I may be a physical weakling (climbing ladders nearly cripples me with fear) but a wimp? No way.

I don't think I should have to stop what I'm doing to tell someone not to do something that a well placed, visible sign outside already does.

And I do not equate mailings with door knocking and telephoning. I do think that they are a lot of money and you have to have a lot of money to spend and wait for months, even a year, before seeing some return on that (although... an agent in my office told me yesterday that she sent out 25 hand written letters to a select group and got a listing. She did the same thing last spring. I did the same thing myself but my handwriting stinks. lol hers is very beautiful and elegant.)

I personally have seen a lot of activity as a direct result of my blog. I suppose I could call you or anyone else who doesn't blog an uneducated weenie because you don't blog, but it's too early in the day for that. I'm not persnickety enough yet.

This reminds me of homeschooling. Some people get their panties in such a bunch because other people choose a different path. Rather than saying "Okay, whatever works for you" it turns into a "Wow, you're so weird." Or "Wow, only good devoted parents homeschool."

People can be such jerks!

I do not care what you do, I'm not going to call you a weeine or anything else, but don't ignore my No Soliciting sign or you just may see exactly how "wimpy" I am!

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#155182 - 07/13/07 08:44 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Are we a bunch of wimps? Are you kidding? I think you should reread the posts, most of the people posting aren't against soliciting, just against soliciting people who have expressly stated their wishes not to be disturbed.

If you want to ignore the signs go ahead. Maybe you won't have your face punched and you will get a listing, good for you! What you are doing is not being a salesman, it's being a slezeball. If that's the only way you can get business, maybe you should look at the way you do business. Perhaps you aren't getting enough repeat and referrals because you don't respect people.

I have rarely had to go after business, between sign calls, responses to my advertising efforts, my web leads, and repeat and referrals I have made a great living for over 20 years. Every now and then I will go after FSBOs or expireds, but if they are on the DNC list I write them a letter and mention that out of respect for their wishes I won't ever call and probably half of them call me back and thank me.

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#155236 - 07/13/07 01:27 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: deepsea]
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The kind of responses I expected. Marketing, whether passive or aggressive is soliciting, and any other self imposed mindset is merely rationalization.

If you approach anyone, no matter how meekly, you are asking for something and are soliciting, no one in this business is out there is giving anything away without any strings attached, any form of advertising is soliciting, any offer or introduction with the intent of getting potential business is soliciting.

I don't care what you call it, a rose is a rose, and dog poop is dog poop. The only difference is you are either doing it on the down low, or are very upfront. Call it what you want, you are really soliciting, and it just doesn't apply to doorbells. You don't solicit in this business, no matter what form it takes, you are out of business.

Oh, someone disturbed me at home, how dare they. Well maybe I don't want you to disturb me at home, or by mail, or by phone, or on my television set or radio, or in my newspaper or in person at gathering or anywhere else, yet because the only place I can put a no soliciting sign is at my door. And because you don't ring it, your still disturbing me through other vehicles, but you think your holy because you didn't ring my bell. Get over it, your soliciting no matter how holy you think your method is.

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#155240 - 07/13/07 01:55 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Bay Area Brian]
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Brian,
Get over yourself! Your are on the wrong side of this and seem to be in denial.

Yes marketing is soliciting but you are not imposing yourself directly on someone despite their desire that you not bother them.

DNC came about because of mass telemarketers constantly bothered people at times they did not want to be disturbed.

Sorting your mail over the trash can is not that much of an imposition but ask anyone and they will tell you they hate junk mail. The key to direct mail is to make it noticable and short and to the point. If it is a service they are looking for they will not consign you to the trash.

Advertising on the internet comes in a few varieties one being the banner ads which are part of the site. They are here for all to see and are effective. The worst are those damn pop up ads for anything and everything. Pop Ups are the same as those that knock on my door thinking that the No Soliciting sign cannot possible apply to them. The best kind of internet advertising is using the search engine becuse you get the people that are looking for what you have to sell.

Your problem is that you are an Inconsiderate Jacka$$ that feels you are justified in imposing yourself on someone despite their clear desire not to be distrubed by you! That is the bottom line! Everthing else is just you attempting to justify what you are doing.

Originally Posted By: Bay Area Brian
The kind of responses I expected. Marketing, whether passive or aggressive is soliciting, and any other self imposed mindset is merely rationalization.

If you approach anyone, no matter how meekly, you are asking for something and are soliciting, no one in this business is out there is giving anything away without any strings attached, any form of advertising is soliciting, any offer or introduction with the intent of getting potential business is soliciting.

I don't care what you call it, a rose is a rose, and dog poop is dog poop. The only difference is you are either doing it on the down low, or are very upfront. Call it what you want, you are really soliciting, and it just doesn't apply to doorbells. You don't solicit in this business, no matter what form it takes, you are out of business.

Oh, someone disturbed me at home, how dare they. Well maybe I don't want you to disturb me at home, or by mail, or by phone, or on my television set or radio, or in my newspaper or in person at gathering or anywhere else, yet because the only place I can put a no soliciting sign is at my door. And because you don't ring it, your still disturbing me through other vehicles, but you think your holy because you didn't ring my bell. Get over it, your soliciting no matter how holy you think your method is.
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#155245 - 07/13/07 02:34 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Hi Paul, do you think that "no soliciting" applies to government workers (i.e. those that want you to vote for a certain candidate)?

And if it's ok for a government employee to knock on my door, even if there were a no soliciting sign, then why should it be forbidden for me to knock on the door of the residence of that government employee?

Call it what you want, but with so many rules and regulations you will soon have to call a lawyer before picking up a phone. That's getting to be ridiculous.

Also, how about those kids on the Haloween? Do the "No Soliciting" signs apply to them as well?

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#155247 - 07/13/07 02:55 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: vk60546]
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Yes, when we realize we have no leg to stand on, we attempt to set up a straw man and embellish it with hyperbole.

It does not make you look smart, BTW. Taking something to ridiculous extremes only exposes the faulty logic behind it.

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#155248 - 07/13/07 03:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: vk60546]
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vk:

Halloween -- that's why you turn your porch light "on" if you want the kids to come. I know you know that...but I thought I'd say it anyway.

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#155262 - 07/13/07 04:59 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Elecat]
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Of course, they know Elecat. They are just grasping at straws - er, strawmen, or...strawpeople, (to be PC) - in an attempt to make those of us who prefer not to invade people's privacy (and who don't appreciate our privacy being invaded) look silly.

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#155264 - 07/13/07 05:05 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Hi Paul, do you think that "no soliciting" applies to government workers (i.e. those that want you to vote for a certain candidate)?


Um...government workers do this? You mean my tax dollars pay these people to go out and knock on doors and attempt to get my vote? I thought these were political volunteers. Either way, NO, it's not okay if there is a sign on my door that says "no soliciting" that means unless you are invited, are a friend, or have an emergency, you'd best not knock on my door.

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And if it's ok for a government employee to knock on my door, even if there were a no soliciting sign, then why should it be forbidden for me to knock on the door of the residence of that government employee?


You are assuming that it's okay for a government employee (really? The government uses my tax dollars to do this?) to solicit political support. It is not unilaterally okay. It's okay if the people in the house don't mind.


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#155357 - 07/13/07 09:16 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Bay Area Brian]
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Originally Posted By: Bay Area Brian
The kind of responses I expected. Marketing, whether passive or aggressive is soliciting, and any other self imposed mindset is merely rationalization.


I don't care if someone knocks on my door.
That said, you know darn well that "no soliciting" means AT THE DOOR.

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#155359 - 07/13/07 09:19 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: vk60546]
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Originally Posted By: vk60546
Hi Paul, do you think that "no soliciting" applies to government workers (i.e. those that want you to vote for a certain candidate)?

And if it's ok for a government employee to knock on my door, even if there were a no soliciting sign, then why should it be forbidden for me to knock on the door of the residence of that government employee?

Call it what you want, but with so many rules and regulations you will soon have to call a lawyer before picking up a phone. That's getting to be ridiculous.

Also, how about those kids on the Haloween? Do the "No Soliciting" signs apply to them as well?


I don't know about government workers but certain groups are excempt from do not call, such as charities. I complained once about a chimney sweeping company that called me and was told that they weren't violating the "do not call" rule because they weren't trying to sell me something over the phone, they were calling to make an appointment. JFTR, I am in NY.

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#155363 - 07/13/07 09:24 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Paceryder]
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Charities and political groups are exempt from DNC. the republicans were bugging me so much one election I told them that if they called me one more time, I was going to vote democrat. lol

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#155400 - 07/13/07 10:53 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Political campaigns are exempt from the DNC. Right now the parties are having petitions signed for local candidates in my area. Big mess with a bunch of independents jumping into the game. I do believe that they are allowed to knock on the door for the signatures and that in this case its exempt. There are so many petitions running around, its hard to keep track of them all.

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#155407 - 07/13/07 11:02 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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This thread is not dead yet?????
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#155408 - 07/13/07 11:05 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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as somebody who knocks doors and has a team who calls fsbo's and expireds all day long setting up appointments i will say that i will pass by a house that has a no soliciting sign up.


here is a story for you.. a true one at that.

in case my spelling is worse than normal i am on my 1st cigar and a few glasses of wine!

i was at a gentleman's house by the name of Mr. Stevens. he was an expired. i pulled the expired listing about 1 hour before hitting the door. a late start for the day but we had appointments earlier in the day. we get to the door and notice a NO SOLICITING sign. i respectfully tell my partner that i wont bother somebody who specifically asked to not be solicited. as we are walking back to my partners car we notice a gentleman pulling up in a Chevy truck and as he gets out i ask him if he is Mr. Stevens and he says yes!!!! i tell him that i was turning away and not leaving my package on his door out of respect because i noticed that he had a do not solicit sign up and he actually apologized to me stating that he only put the sign up to stop pizza fliers from getting put up on his door. he is going through a divorce and his listing expired because IMO he is overpriced by a rookie realtor who took the listing and said what they had to because they wanted it. we are going back this week to list him!!!!!

the point is that because he asked not to be solicited by the sign i would not have knocked on his door but because we ran into each other we spoke and now i have a deal getting ready to go with him...


if tomorrow i noticed a no soliciting door i would pass by it.. i do respect peoples wishes and there is enough business out there that i dont care if i loose a possible listing because i follow the wishes of the person. but at the same time maybe they are not putting the sign up because of you.


he just did not want pizza fliers on his door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


if i see a no soliciting sign tomorrow i will pass by and leave them alone.


Edited by estatereal (07/13/07 11:07 PM)

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#155410 - 07/13/07 11:07 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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....and politicians can use your money to campaign without your permission (I wish I had his budget to market).
http://www.gazette.com/articles/lamborn_24740___article.html/harvin_mailings.html

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#155451 - 07/14/07 05:39 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


Here is the original thread.

It is referring to neighborhoods with a No Soliciting sign posted at the entrance, not on the door of individual homes.

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#155459 - 07/14/07 07:47 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Of course, they know Elecat. They are just grasping at straws - er, strawmen, or...strawpeople, (to be PC) - in an attempt to make those of us who prefer not to invade people's privacy (and who don't appreciate our privacy being invaded) look silly.


It's amazing, Perky. I mean...really...how hard is it to just DO the RIGHT THING?!?!?!




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#155460 - 07/14/07 07:51 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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Originally Posted By: Cool Cat
Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


Here is the original thread.

It is referring to neighborhoods with a No Soliciting sign posted at the entrance, not on the door of individual homes.


I'm just starting out, but if I'm faced with such a sign, here's my plan. If I REALLY want to let the folks "inside" know about my services, I'll get names and addresses from the county tax records and send them all a very nice mailing.

It will cost a bit in postage, but I will have respected the wishes of the homeowners in that neighborhood.




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#155695 - 07/15/07 04:31 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Elecat]
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Originally Posted By: Elecat
Originally Posted By: Cool Cat
Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


Here is the original thread.

It is referring to neighborhoods with a No Soliciting sign posted at the entrance, not on the door of individual homes.


I'm just starting out, but if I'm faced with such a sign, here's my plan. If I REALLY want to let the folks "inside" know about my services, I'll get names and addresses from the county tax records and send them all a very nice mailing.

It will cost a bit in postage, but I will have respected the wishes of the homeowners in that neighborhood.





And they will quickly glance at it, and toss it in the can. I really think mailings are a waste of money, unless you have already met the person. Meet them through door-knocking, THEN send out mailings. I knocked 100 doors last week, although only got about 30 or so that were home. One gentleman talked with me for about 5 minutes, and I prepared a CMA for two others to use to appeal their property taxes (big issue here right now, taxes have tripled, even quadroupled for some). Maybe this won't be immediate business for me, but I am making good contacts and meeting new people. A few houses have no soliciting signs by the door, and I respect that and move on to the next house.

If you are worried about bothering people, then obviously you don't have anything of value to give them, because you feel guilty about it. If you feel like you are providing a valuable service, then you would not feel guilty about "bothering" people. I am an introvert as well, but I also have set big goals for myself, and I'm able to step out of my comfort zone in order to reach those goals.

And by the way, the area I am door knocking does not have a no soliciting sign for the community, so you all can relax! There are a lot of big egos on this board!

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#155704 - 07/15/07 05:50 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
Originally Posted By: Elecat
Originally Posted By: Cool Cat
Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


Here is the original thread.

It is referring to neighborhoods with a No Soliciting sign posted at the entrance, not on the door of individual homes.


I'm just starting out, but if I'm faced with such a sign, here's my plan. If I REALLY want to let the folks "inside" know about my services, I'll get names and addresses from the county tax records and send them all a very nice mailing.

It will cost a bit in postage, but I will have respected the wishes of the homeowners in that neighborhood.





And they will quickly glance at it, and toss it in the can. I really think mailings are a waste of money, unless you have already met the person. Meet them through door-knocking, THEN send out mailings. I knocked 100 doors last week, although only got about 30 or so that were home. One gentleman talked with me for about 5 minutes, and I prepared a CMA for two others to use to appeal their property taxes (big issue here right now, taxes have tripled, even quadroupled for some). Maybe this won't be immediate business for me, but I am making good contacts and meeting new people. A few houses have no soliciting signs by the door, and I respect that and move on to the next house.

If you are worried about bothering people, then obviously you don't have anything of value to give them, because you feel guilty about it. If you feel like you are providing a valuable service, then you would not feel guilty about "bothering" people. I am an introvert as well, but I also have set big goals for myself, and I'm able to step out of my comfort zone in order to reach those goals.

And by the way, the area I am door knocking does not have a no soliciting sign for the community, so you all can relax! There are a lot of big egos on this board!



RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

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#155706 - 07/15/07 05:58 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: estatereal]
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i dont randomly knock on a door, but i respect that you do and know for a fact that the response generated is far greater than mailing.


i took a listing today. there was an expired that i had started to work probably 3-4 months ago, i tried to knock and speak with him but he was not home so i did the next best thing. i put a doorhanger on his door giving some brief details, and lo and behold i got a call. i set up a meeting and interviewed, along with several other agents. he had to wait for his wife to come back in country so that the docs could be signed and he could get her approval. he wanted to narrow it down to one agent. while his wife was gone i kept a bit of contact and he even fsbo'd. his wife came back and i got the call on teh 4th of july asking to present to him, and he signed today. the house is very reasonably priced(he has to get into his next home which he alwready bought) he is hte lowest priced home in the neighborhood!!!! the last time that happened (i got hte most reasonably priced home) the house i had sold in 8 days. if you are motivated to sell and your home shows well, plus you price it according to how fast you want to sell it you can move a home in this market easy.

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#155707 - 07/15/07 06:00 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: estatereal]
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Big Egos? Heck yeah!

Don't all salespeople have strong egos? I do... and I hope everyone else here does too.

Nothing wrong with that.
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#155856 - 07/16/07 01:59 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Elecat]
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Originally Posted By: Elecat

I'm just starting out, but if I'm faced with such a sign, here's my plan. If I REALLY want to let the folks "inside" know about my services, I'll get names and addresses from the county tax records and send them all a very nice mailing.

It will cost a bit in postage, but I will have respected the wishes of the homeowners in that neighborhood.





AH! The innocence of being new! The trouble with that idea is simple - it doesn't work very well and its very expensive ($$$). My first year, I spent a ton of time and money (several thousand) on mailings and had but one reply and that led nowhere. Let me just say that I did everything "right" by picking a farm that no agent or company dominated. I also picked an area that had a fairly high home turnover rate and sent mailing after mailing to try and get my name in their faces, but still nothing. It was then that I realized that most people were just like me - they open their junk mail with the paper shredder switched "on". I do the same, I get enough junk mail to fill a landfill each week and have no time to even look at it.

That doesn't mean that you should run around complexes where there are "no soliciting" signs. I know it is oh soooo tempting. There is one complex in my town that is currently a rental and is converting to condo. Everyone hates it there and I would love to catch some of that business that I know will be coming from the renters looking to bail out. BUT, they have very strict "no soliciting" rules and they mean business about it too. Some of the characters on this forum would have been in for a serious reality check if they tried to door-knock or leave flyers in this complex!

I may try mailers if I can come up with a VERY unique campaign. But it would have to be very outside the box and eye-catching to be at all effective, because I'm sure that most residents could paper the walls with the number of agent mailings they have gotten over the past few weeks since the annoucement.

Bottom line: If you are really serious about mailing campaign, it must be something very, very unique and outside the box. Giving them market stats and what has sold and your own listings and sales will not cut it. If you are not careful, you will find that you are advertising your brokerage and not yourself. So be careful who you ask advice of as well. Most brokers are happy to let you advertise them for free. You literally have less than one second to grab their eye or it goes into the shredder. You also need to count on many, many mailings in order to get their attention. Make no mistake, this is a very expensive way to advertise with a very high failure rate. You are risking thousands - so take great care. This is why there are agents who try over and over again to get around the "no soliciting" signs.


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