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#151615 - 06/29/07 12:59 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
Wow your are a real sunny person I guess. I probably would not want to market to a neighborhood full of people like that anyway. Usually they are a waist(SIC) of time, but boy when they want something your are supposed to just bend over backwards to make em(SIC) happy.

In most places those neighborhoods with the no soliciting signs are considered a suggestion, not a law.(You are WRONG) You call the cops for that and you will be the one getting the fine for waisting (SIC)the cops time. And if you don't want to hand anything out, then just knock on the door and say hi introduce yourself, Like this, Hi, I am James Boyer with Keller Williams Realty, Just stopping by to introduce myself and say hi to my neighbors, I live just over on Morristown Street. Then let the conversation go from there, if it goes no place, then say goodbye and move along. That is not soliciting, it is being neighborly.


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#151634 - 06/29/07 06:59 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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In one case, my client pointed out four different homes that he was interested in. It was a gated community ("No Soliciting") with lake front properties. I knocked on the door to see if they would consider selling, 3 out of 4 said yes.

Two other times, I drove a neighborhood and randomly asked different homeowners that were outside doing yard work, if they knew of any neighbors thinking about selling. 4 out of 5 did. I actually got 1 listing that eventually sold and sold 1 house to my client.


That is very cool, Mr. Cat.

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#151648 - 06/29/07 08:21 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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There is no such thing as a private neighborhood until you put up a fence, a gate, and man the gate with a security guard who checks everyones ID before they enter. Oh and of course get permission from the local authorities of course. Even then unless the people in such development would need to have privately funded the construction and maintanence of their streets and sidewalks or technically it is public.

Just to get more extreme, any rent a cop who gives me a ticket for anything will see the ticket torn up in front of him/her as said ticket is not worth the paper it is printed on.

We have gone way off to extremes here, in my book it is not soliciting to go around and meet people on their front door step, as long as you don't act like a sales person, trying to sell them now or in the near future. That never works anyway so don't do it. But getting face time with the people that is good, I went to a training session with someone who said if you are geographic farming, a door knock visit is worth 10 letters to that home, in the impact and memorability. People remember people they have personally meet much more than people they get letters from or talk to on the phone.
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#151714 - 06/29/07 02:03 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Was that a typo? ; )


Edited by Cool Cat (06/29/07 02:04 PM)

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#151722 - 06/29/07 02:36 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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No I think she is in a good mood today.
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#151880 - 06/30/07 11:49 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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the fact that you have to ask the question is proof enough that you know the answer and are just looking for someone else to justify you doing something you already know is (at the very least) in poor taste.
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#151887 - 06/30/07 12:05 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: ManFromTheBand]
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Originally Posted By: ManFromTheBand
the fact that you have to ask the question is proof enough that you know the answer and are just looking for someone else to justify you doing something you already know is (at the very least) in poor taste.


Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.
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#151892 - 06/30/07 12:35 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
[Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.


Careful generalizing everyone who posts no solicitation signs!

I mentioned above that my subdivision and my home both have them displayed! I think I'm no better than you and I am expressing my wish for privacy and to not be disturbed. Many times, I work from my home office and I don't have time to answer the door and field questions from people that I have not set an appointment with. Same follows true at my regular office. I have appointments & obligations planned in advance. If I visited with everyone who walks through the door, I would never get my work completed. My time is the most valuable item I have. I can't make more of it and I have to budget what time I do have, in order to make the best use of it.
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#151900 - 06/30/07 01:25 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Gulf Winds]
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Originally Posted By: Gulf Winds
Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor
[Personally I find the No Soliciting sign itself a indication that the people who live there are likely the new semi rich, who like to try to make people think they have more than they have, and that they are better than anyone else, They are the ones who will bring your self esteem down more than anything other than FSBO's if your not careful. Not all of them are that way, but a larger percentage in my experience.


Careful generalizing everyone who posts no solicitation signs!

I mentioned above that my subdivision and my home both have them displayed! I think I'm no better than you and I am expressing my wish for privacy and to not be disturbed. Many times, I work from my home office and I don't have time to answer the door and field questions from people that I have not set an appointment with. Same follows true at my regular office. I have appointments & obligations planned in advance. If I visited with everyone who walks through the door, I would never get my work completed. My time is the most valuable item I have. I can't make more of it and I have to budget what time I do have, in order to make the best use of it.


A good answer for that is to politely answer the door and say I am sorry I am in the middle of something and do not wish to be disturbed, or if you are really that busy, don't answer the door, as you are way to busy to go to the door anyway. That is what I do as I work from home at least 4 days a week, and if I am in the middle of something important, I don't go to the door.
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#151911 - 06/30/07 02:21 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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No soliciting means just that...NO SOLICITING!! That means you take your stupid junk and helpful "information" OUT of the neighborhood. Violating a person's desire for privacy is just plain rude. Your excuses for ringing bells and moving on are pathetic and I hope someone, somewhere slaps you with a huge fine because people like you perpetuate the image of the sleazy agent with no respect for boundaries.

Agents need to respect other people's desire for privacy. Blatently ignoring such signs smacks of despiration. It shows a total lack of consideration for the wishes of others. Its sleazy and rude. If you walk all over someone's wishes for privacy - what else are you going to do? Since you obviously doesn't understand BOUNDARIES...does that include legal and OTHER ethical boundaries? My home is my castle and I don't like people coming to my door uninvited - ever. I would certainly remember never to use an agent who violated that wish and to make sure I told everyone I know not to use them. As far as I'm concerned, only a desperate loser would try tactics like that.

Btw, I don't want to HAVE to go to the door to tell someone to go away. I too work from home. If everyone did that, I'd be jumping up from my work all day long. In fact, any one who would try that might find themselves being escorted off my property with the help of my 70 lb. cattle dog mix. He doesn't mess around and neither do I.

If I know someone in a neighborhood like that, I MIGHT arrange to walk the neighborhood with them in a very neutral way. Be introduced etc. However, I would leave the magnetic cards, the market summary's etc. behind. I would simply use it as an opportunity to meet people without discussing real estate. Meeting people without invading their space is one thing, but barging past no soliciting signs is a terrible idea.

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#151913 - 06/30/07 02:38 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: SummitNJ-Realtor]
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Originally Posted By: SummitNJ-Realtor


A good answer for that is to politely answer the door and say I am sorry I am in the middle of something and do not wish to be disturbed, or if you are really that busy, don't answer the door, as you are way to busy to go to the door anyway. That is what I do as I work from home at least 4 days a week, and if I am in the middle of something important, I don't go to the door.


Are we to assume from your statement that calling people on the do not call list is OK as well? They just should not answer the phone?

Your justification for blatantly disregarding a homeowners posted wishes is laughable!

When did it become a homeowners requirement that they explain WHY they don't wish to engage in conversation with someone wandering throughout the neighborhood? A homeowner has already expressed their wish to NOT receive solicitations in the form of signage to that effect!!!
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#151920 - 06/30/07 04:46 PM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Gulf Winds]
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To respond to everyone...first of all, a No soliciting sign at the front of the neighborhood does not imply that EVERY resident in that neighborhood is going to be mad if you do solicit. To me it is not that big of a deal. There is a no soliciting sign in my neighborhood, but if someone does come to the door, I just politely say no thanks if I'm not interested, or if I'm busy, I just don't answer the door. Like someone else said, if you're going to get extremely upset because someone rings your doorbell, then I probably don't want to do business with you anyway. Someone said being face-to-face is as effective as 10 mailings. I definitely agree with that, which is why I'd rather meet people in person than send out mailings every month and wait a year for anyone to even remember me. At 50 cents per house, you'd be spending $5 per house in 10 mailings. Or I can put together a packet that I print out at the office for free, and spend a couple hours and have the same effect.

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.

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#151999 - 07/01/07 01:17 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Huntstyle]
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Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
To respond to everyone...first of all, a No soliciting sign at the front of the neighborhood does not imply that EVERY resident in that neighborhood is going to be mad if you do solicit. To me it is not that big of a deal. There is a no soliciting sign in my neighborhood, but if someone does come to the door, I just politely say no thanks if I'm not interested, or if I'm busy, I just don't answer the door. Like someone else said, if you're going to get extremely upset because someone rings your doorbell, then I probably don't want to do business with you anyway. Someone said being face-to-face is as effective as 10 mailings. I definitely agree with that, which is why I'd rather meet people in person than send out mailings every month and wait a year for anyone to even remember me. At 50 cents per house, you'd be spending $5 per house in 10 mailings. Or I can put together a packet that I print out at the office for free, and spend a couple hours and have the same effect.

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.


FINE. Why did you bother asking? You were going to do it anyway - even after most of those who responded said it was a very bad idea. There are people who door knock responding to you. Most said "don't do it." You just didn't want to hear what they were saying. Just recognize that you are in business for yourself and everything you do will reflect back on you - good and bad. Ignoring "no soliciting" signs shows that either you can't read or you have no respect for boundaries that were clearly set up. So you are either tacky or stupid.

Door knocking is frowned upon where I live in general. It is considered rude and intrusive. It took a long time for me to build up business, and I'm still struggling to make it FT. But I did things the old-fashioned way. I built up trust by respecting the wishes and interests of my customers/clients AND prospects. the result is that most of what I get is refereal from past clients and even past prospects who bought nothing. You might want to try being considerate sometime. It's slow, but it works over the long haul.

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#152006 - 07/01/07 05:18 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: AmberEyez]
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Originally Posted By: AmberEyez
Originally Posted By: Huntstyle

What I was really looking for here is response from those who actually participate in door-knocking, and whether or not they do go into no soliciting neighborhoods, and if so how effective it has been, or how much resistance they have received.


FINE. Why did you bother asking? You were going to do it anyway - even after most of those who responded said it was a very bad idea. There are people who door knock responding to you. Most said "don't do it." You just didn't want to hear what they were saying. Just recognize that you are in business for yourself and everything you do will reflect back on you - good and bad. Ignoring "no soliciting" signs shows that either you can't read or you have no respect for boundaries that were clearly set up. So you are either tacky or stupid.


AmberEyez Relax a little bit. By my calculations, it was a 50/50 split who participated in this post. Huntstyle, SummitNJ-Realtor, The Closer, shaun LA, & myself - Cool Cat all said that the no soliciting neighborhoods sign would not in itself deter them. Gulf Winds, Prodigy, Perky_Realtor, ManFromTheBand, and you - AmberEyez, all said that you would not. I would venture to guess that you all would not door knock EVEN if it the neighborhood did not have a posting that said no soliciting. It simply is not your personality style.

I would go out on a limb and say if Huntstyle only got responses from agents who actually participate in door-knocking, then more would say that they do door knock in no soliciting neighborhoods. If there is a door that also has it posted no soliciting then that is another question. I would say as far as effectiveness goes, one would have to look at each persons skill set and base it on a numbers game. (I.E. Knock on x amount of doors and get x results). I would say resistance would be the same percentage wise as neighborhoods without the no soliciting post.

To answer your original post.

Originally Posted By: Huntstyle
For those door knockers out there, do you knock on doors in neighborhoods with a sign at the entrance that says No Soliciting? I'd like to start knocking on doors, but every neighborhood around here says No Soliciting.


I am not a door knocker either. I think there are other better things a person can do with his time that are more productive. However if you do this form of prospecting, keep in mind that it is strictly a numbers game. You have to stay with it for some time to see if this is how you want to do your business.

I have to agree with The Closer, FSBO's and Expireds should be "door knocked". Gulf Winds did bring up one point, if there is an active home owners association, you might get boycotted. Prodigy said to mail, which is also a numbers game. If you are new, I wouldn't go that route due to cost.

If you have a listing in the neighborhood, door knock the immediate neighbors and introduce yourself. Ask if they know of someone that they would like to pick as a neighbor and to please tell them about your listing.

Finally, For my very limited experience in this field, I had success with driving the neighborhoods on a weekend. Just simply stop the car when you see people out doing yard work and ask if they know someone in the neighborhood thinking about moving, because you can help. You are a Realtor.

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#152010 - 07/01/07 07:21 AM Re: "No Soliciting" [Re: Cool Cat]
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I would be much more open to talking to someone who is out in their yard, rather than knocking on the door.

And my comments were all about organized home owner communities - not suburbia.

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