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#147979 - 06/14/07 07:34 PM Open House signs - GONE
balto_realtor Offline
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Registered: 05/22/07
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I had an open house this past weekend in a development of about 40-50 homes. 3 other homes are listed for sale and also had an open house at the same time as I did. So 4 open houses all together in this particular development. I was the first one to start, and my OPEN HOUSE signs were the first ones, too. I put them up.... hmmm... around 11 am or so. At the end of the open house, I went to pick up the signs, only to find out that they were GONE... frown I saw other open house signs for the other properties pointing in another direction, but mine were not there.

This is a very nice neighborhood that I do a lot of business in. Nothing like this has ever happenned to me before. Yesterday, I spoke to one of the neighbors who happened to be an appraiser and a friend of mine and he told me that he saw someone picking up my signs and putting them in the car. He just assumed it was another agent from my company.

Could a realtor really do something like this?????? I can't imagine anyone else would...


Edited by balto_realtor (06/14/07 07:36 PM)

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#147983 - 06/14/07 07:41 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: balto_realtor]
BuyHawkeye Offline
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Registered: 05/28/07
Posts: 63
Loc: Marietta, GA
Can you imagine that it might have been an innocent mistake? I know I am guilty of judging too quickly. But there is also the possibility that someone was asked to pick up another agent's signs and grabbed the wrong ones. Just a thought.

Unfortunately, the net effect to you is still the same. You are out signs and $$$. In the end, you realize the commission check will be worth far more than these annoying expenses that are incurred in the course of doing business. Nature of the beast

Sorry you lost your signs.
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#147984 - 06/14/07 07:41 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: balto_realtor]
REwoman Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
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Loc: OK
YES! No offense but yes that can happen. I hate to say this, but I know people who have little rivalries like this where they will take each others signs, they are not even with the same brokerage. They just do it to hurt their business or cost them money, it's rather childish if you ask me.

Of course you know it could have been an accident though too. Somebody using the exact same sign could have forgotten exactly where they put it, and picked yours up accidently.

You could see who is listing the other houses in that neighborhood and call the listing associate to see if they (or someone from their company) did an open house there, and picked up your signs.

In my city people go around and pick up signs that are not legally placed (too close to the road etc) and haul them off.

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#147988 - 06/14/07 07:50 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: REwoman]
balto_realtor Offline
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I don't think it was an accident in a sense that an agent picked up the wrong signs because it looks like my signs were gone about an hour after I put them up, which would be around the time that the other agents were putting up their signs.

How can you prevent something like this?

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#147989 - 06/14/07 07:50 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: REwoman]
estatereal Online   content
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also i know that people (homeowners) in some of the "upscale" neighborhoods will take them down, and call your office. expecially if there is an hoa. even if you follow the rules the homeowner does not know the rules. bc sign law states that you haveto have white background and red lettering, you can have an arrow and a realtor logo. it also stipulates what the sign can say. most people violate sign law. i dont know any cases of fines being handed out. but they can hand them out. most realtors around have their name or brokerage displayed on the sign, which is technically against policy. check it out. i had my manager email it to our office a few weeks ago, i would have pulled it for you but i deleted it.




i lost about half of the signs i had up around a property about 3 weeks ago, i was pissed.

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#147991 - 06/14/07 07:55 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: estatereal]
balto_realtor Offline
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Originally Posted By: estatereal
also i know that people (homeowners) in some of the "upscale" neighborhoods will take them down, and call your office. expecially if there is an hoa. even if you follow the rules the homeowner does not know the rules. bc sign law states that you haveto have white background and red lettering, you can have an arrow and a realtor logo. it also stipulates what the sign can say. most people violate sign law. i dont know any cases of fines being handed out. but they can hand them out. most realtors around have their name or brokerage displayed on the sign, which is technically against policy. check it out. i had my manager email it to our office a few weeks ago, i would have pulled it for you but i deleted it.

i lost about half of the signs i had up around a property about 3 weeks ago, i was pissed.


I thought about that, too, but all the other signs were still there vialating those HOA rules away. Plus, if they would've called the office, I think I would have been informed by now. And I don't really care that much about the actual signs as they are pretty inexpensive, but I am pissed that I wasted my time and just shocked that a realtor would do something like this.

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#147994 - 06/14/07 07:57 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: estatereal]
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I lose signs like crazy. Some to the city, some to the average citizen, and some to Realtors.

There's two ways you can handle it:
1. Use really cheap signs so you don't care if they disappear.
2. Chain them to poles or trees.

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#147997 - 06/14/07 08:05 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: RealDealer]
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Registered: 02/06/06
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Loc: Albuquerque NM
I have only had one sign taken and it wasn't mine. I was holding open a house and had borrowed a couple of signs from the listing agent. That same week someone sent a letter to about 100 agents in our office complaining about her. That weekend her sign was taken and none of mine. They are customized with our name. In my case it was personal. Could be the same with you. It sure sounds like it.
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#148001 - 06/14/07 08:14 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Secret_Agent]
balto_realtor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Secret_Agent
I have only had one sign taken and it wasn't mine. I was holding open a house and had borrowed a couple of signs from the listing agent. That same week someone sent a letter to about 100 agents in our office complaining about her. That weekend her sign was taken and none of mine. They are customized with our name. In my case it was personal. Could be the same with you. It sure sounds like it.


Are you saying that 100s of agents are complaining about me? smile

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#148005 - 06/14/07 08:23 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: balto_realtor]
estatereal Online   content
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if so.... that is a good thing. it must mean that you have enough market share for all of them to notice you:-) !!!!!!!!

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#148006 - 06/14/07 08:30 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: estatereal]
super realtor Offline
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Registered: 05/01/05
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Loc: georgia
NEVER trust another agent.They are wolf's in sheeps clothing.
It was funny I went to a continuing education short sale class,during the break all the agents were talking.Since this is a more advanced class most of the agents were seasoned.We were talking about business we were doing in vague terms.

I started talking about a big commercial development I was doing,about 10 agents in the room said where at?I told them you have to be kidding right like I would actually say where I am assembling all of this land to make 500k in commission.

Most act cordial but are out for themselves,honest,ethical agents are few and far between in my area.Just watch out and don't share too much information with your local agents.

I have seen some of them try to sell there own mother to make a nickel,really disgusting.

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#148007 - 06/14/07 08:31 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: estatereal]
CALIF DREAMING Offline
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Registered: 08/01/06
Posts: 1304
Loc: Downey, California
Yeah, agents do steal directional signs/flags, combo lockboxes, and flyer boxes, yet these same ones are allowed into sellers' homes to preview or show. Sticky Fingers Realty.

Suggest you use a permanent marker to put your name, telephone # and/or e-mail address somewhere on your directional signs if they are the generic ones sold by boards or on line.
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#148037 - 06/14/07 09:52 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: CALIF DREAMING]
Secret_Agent Offline
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Registered: 02/06/06
Posts: 382
Loc: Albuquerque NM
We could start putting a GPS system on the sign. Track those suckers down and file charges. Think I am kidding? There was an agent who kept losing directional signs out in the mountains. She then one day found one of her signs (no gps), it had been painted over lightly and had a piece of cardboard slid over it pointing to a FSBO. She filed vandalism charges against the guy.
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#148110 - 06/15/07 01:09 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Secret_Agent]
LisaRsellsNJ Offline
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Registered: 04/12/07
Posts: 27
Loc: Princeton, NJ
Just recently when I went back to pick up my signs I found that several of my metal, tent style signs were flat on the ground while the other agency's lightweight plastic tent signs were still standing ... hmmmm. I wasn't happy.

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#148137 - 06/15/07 02:28 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: LisaRsellsNJ]
RaquelMangual Offline
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Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 446
Loc: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Something similar happened to me once. I once setup signs for an open house for my seller, then some a**hole picked them all up and dumped them on my client's lawn! My seller was SOOO mad, he wanted to find the jerk and kick his butt :-)
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#148142 - 06/15/07 02:42 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: LisaRsellsNJ]
Norcal Jim Offline
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Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 152
Loc: Silicon Valley
Same thing happened to me and the other agents signs were still up right next to where mine were. I hope it was just some kids messing around. However since all my signs were knocked down it seems unlikely


Edited by Norcal Jim (06/15/07 02:43 AM)

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#148149 - 06/15/07 02:52 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Norcal Jim]
Kep Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 263
We have an agent around here who will put her signs directly in front of other's to block them. We (myself and agents from other competing offices) always take her signs and point them in wrong directions or we just lay them down on the ground.

Some people just need to learn to work together. You market/advertise your open house and I'll market/advertise mine and together we will bring more people into the area than we will on our own.

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#148174 - 06/15/07 03:36 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: balto_realtor]
JoeyBagadonuts Offline
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Registered: 06/24/06
Posts: 1074
Loc: Bucks County PA
Yes, another REALTOR, who is unethical, could illegally steal, destroy, or dispose of someone else signs.

I have heard many people talk about this. For Sale signs, open house signs, directionals, etc...If someone took your yard sign, that can be pricey to replace.

I know some buy those dog chain anchors that look like corkscrews. They screw them into the ground next to the posts on their sign, then padlock it to the sign so someone can come along and pull the sign out of the ground.
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#148178 - 06/15/07 03:45 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: JoeyBagadonuts]
Perky_REALTOR Offline
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shocked that a realtor would do something like this.


I'm not shocked at all. To some realtors, the code of ethics is totally meaningless and worthless.

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#148179 - 06/15/07 03:47 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: JoeyBagadonuts]
RealDealer Offline
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illegally steal, destroy, or dispose of someone else signs.
Come on! In nearly every municipality all of these signs are technically illegal. It's not illegal to remove something that is illegal. I think you'd have a very tough time successfully suing someone for "stealing" your signs.

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#148182 - 06/15/07 03:51 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
estatereal Online   content
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if the code we live by is so worthless then what seperates agents and realtors?

i know it is a very in depth question, with many answers and reasons, but the nar sells the fact that realtors have a code. agents only have the law to follow.

personally i dont like my nar dues, but i do like the fact that they are a powerful lobbying group. if the nar were not around we would be taxed and restricted out the wazoo. re is a great place for gov to steal revenue because of the number of homes bought and sold every day. tax the buyer seller lo title company broker broker, the list goes on... the nar is our voice and unfortunatly we have to pay money for it.

sorry for the rant. and yes i have the same ethics regardless of waht anyone makes me agree to.

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#148186 - 06/15/07 03:56 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: RealDealer]
JoeyBagadonuts Offline
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Originally Posted By: RealDealer
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illegally steal, destroy, or dispose of someone else signs.
Come on! In nearly every municipality all of these signs are technically illegal. It's not illegal to remove something that is illegal. I think you'd have a very tough time successfully suing someone for "stealing" your signs.


What are you talking about suing?

Go back and reread my post. A For Sale sign in someones front yard is not illegally placed. It is illegal if you come along and take it. But I never mentioned anything about suing.

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#148190 - 06/15/07 04:01 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: JoeyBagadonuts]
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In my county Realtor yard signs are illegal, the law just isn't enforced. So if someone steals your signs the only way you can stop them is to try suing them. That's why I brought up suing.

However I was actually talking about open house signs in the right of way, not yard signs.

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#148198 - 06/15/07 04:21 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: RealDealer]
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Originally Posted By: RealDealer
In my county Realtor yard signs are illegal, the law just isn't enforced. So if someone steals your signs the only way you can stop them is to try suing them. That's why I brought up suing.

However I was actually talking about open house signs in the right of way, not yard signs.


I can understand open house and directional signs, but you are telling me For Sale signs in someones yard is illegal? How is that illegal if you have a listing contract stating there will be a for sale sign in their yard when they list with you?
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#148202 - 06/15/07 04:31 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: JoeyBagadonuts]
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Signs advertising a business (such as a brokerage) are not allowed on residential property. That's what the law says and there's no exemption for Realtor signs. But like I said it's not enforced.

By the same token builder's model house directional signs are also illegal, but again there's no enforcement.

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#148203 - 06/15/07 04:44 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: JoeyBagadonuts]
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Joey,
There are places where even Realtor yard signs are a violation of an ordinance. In several gated communities agents have to buy special bronze yard signs of the same size and shape and that is the only sign that can be placed in the yard.
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#148206 - 06/15/07 04:49 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Paul Oaks]
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Loc: Albuquerque NM
They might be in some areas. I have a several page document from the city regarding signs. I know where I can put mine. They are legal in my area as long as you follow the city ordinances. Now some neighborhoods do have a ban but that is an exception.
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#148217 - 06/15/07 05:55 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: RealDealer]
JoeyBagadonuts Offline
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Originally Posted By: RealDealer
Signs advertising a business (such as a brokerage) are not allowed on residential property. That's what the law says and there's no exemption for Realtor signs. But like I said it's not enforced.

By the same token builder's model house directional signs are also illegal, but again there's no enforcement.


This is incorrect. At least for all the towns around here in PA.
First, who is advertising a business? I am talking about a For Sale sign. If I bring up municiple code for any township or boro around here, I can point out where it says For Sale signs placed on a property are perfectly legal regarding the resale of real estate.
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#148219 - 06/15/07 06:02 AM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Paul Oaks]
JoeyBagadonuts Offline
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Originally Posted By: Paul Oaks
Joey,
There are places where even Realtor yard signs are a violation of an ordinance. In several gated communities agents have to buy special bronze yard signs of the same size and shape and that is the only sign that can be placed in the yard.


Yes, of course in gated communities, condominiums, and some other neighborhoods they have restrictions set by the HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. Not state and local law enforcement.

The bronze sign you speak of, are they For Sale signs? If so, thats fine. Just because they have restrictions on the signs does not mean it is illegal. They might be violating the HOA Bi-Laws, but not an ordinance if it is not the designated sign for that specific community.

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#148242 - 06/15/07 01:35 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Originally Posted By: Perky_REALTOR
Quote:
shocked that a realtor would do something like this.


I'm not shocked at all. To some realtors, the code of ethics is totally meaningless and worthless.


I think you are absolutely right. Most people are Realtors and not just agents because it is required in some places. Where I live EVERY brokerage requires you go join the NAR (National Association of Realtors, OAR (Oklahoma Association of Realtors), and GTAR (Greater Tulas Association of Realtors). If you do not join these groups you cannot be put on MLS, not show houeses therefore, you cannot be in business. What this comes down to is there is no ethical separation between a Realtor and anyone else selling real estate, everyone has to be a Realtor, it really give no edge or advantage to being one. Everyone is whether they actually practice ethics or not. It's just a way for those boards to make money as far as I'm concerned. Which I highly disagree with. I think it should be optional, and those who are not ging to act with ethics do not need to have the title just for the board to make money.

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#148245 - 06/15/07 01:50 PM Re: Open House signs - GONE [Re: REwoman]
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at first i was against paying my "dues" i thought for what. i still dont like paying htem, but i do see what i get for them. i do get representation from one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the country. being so close to annapolis i personally know people who go down with stacks of signatures and emails and fight to keep our taxes and fees down. there is more to it than that, but i have to get to the post office right now.

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