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#129026 - 03/17/07 07:14 AM 30 min Open House??? This Ok??
K20 Offline
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Has anyone tried this? The 30 min to 1 hour open houses with the big yellow signs? I just heard of usin the yellow signs for these short open houses and wondering if it works? My in house lender offered to let me use his yellow signs and a 1-800 number that would have a recording/ring to my cell. Is it ok to use this stuff in return for his hopes I send people his way?

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#129031 - 03/17/07 08:06 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: K20]
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I have never tried it, but a 30 minute open house does not make sense to me, and not just for the reasons that seem obvious.

First, doing it that way would assume everyone knows about your open house and that they plan on being there right when the door opens. If your counting on the signs to get your people there immediately - even if they do say 30 minute open house on them - I would say that is not correct. They just won't show at all.

Next would be your sellers. They are going to think your a moron if you spend time money and effort to do an open house, then only have it open for 30 minutes.

Now, I can see where someone might have used this kind of idea a couple of years ago. We were in a market when a new listing was like blood in the water - drawing every hungry buyer for miles around.

Not true today. For every home that sells there are at least 5 or 6 homes still on the market. Buyers have tons to choose from and don't feel a need to rush to jump onto a new listing.

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#129038 - 03/17/07 09:30 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: RebelBroker]
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Here's how it was explained to me. Put a yellow sign up infront of a vacant house but not next to the For Sale sign so it looks like the owner is holding it. Put it at an odd time from like 5:15 to 6:15 so it will be remembered. Put this ugly yellow sign up a week ahead of time to give people a chance to see and make time etc. If people do show then it creates the "fear of loss" and if that doesn't work then it is a way to get prospects while only doing 1 hour of work. I'm going to try it a couple times and see what happens. Not too much wasted time if no one shows but if people do then great. Have you heard of this before?

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#129040 - 03/17/07 10:00 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: K20]
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Ah... ok.... that makes things a bit more clear.

Never tried it, but I would still guess that the current market makes it less successful.

As you say, give it a try and see what happens, it's the only way to know for sure.

Better than doing nothing.

Give it a shot and let us know what happens.

R
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#129075 - 03/17/07 05:06 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: K20]
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Originally Posted By: K20
Put a yellow sign up infront of a vacant house but not next to the For Sale sign so it looks like the owner is holding it. I'm going to try it a couple times and see what happens. Not too much wasted time if no one shows but if people do then great. Have you heard of this before?


It appears you are on the ethical line if your intent is to promote a false impression, Also most states require all advertising and marketing material to have the brokerage information.

If this were done in my area, I'm sure several agents would be filing reports to the real estate commission and ethics board of the association and probably with sufficient grounds for an investigation.

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#129078 - 03/17/07 05:16 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Realty Check]
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Interesting. I am still not seeing or understanding the advantages to this. But, I am interested in a follow up to see how it went.

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#129079 - 03/17/07 05:16 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Realty Check]
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It appears you are on the ethical line if your intent is to promote a false impression, Also most states require all advertising and marketing material to have the brokerage information.


That's what my gut instinct was...is this ethical??? Some guy was accused of being unethical in another thread for washing his real estate signs in his yard and leaving them up to dry for a weekend. This seems much more...deliberately deceitful, IMHO.

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#129081 - 03/17/07 05:21 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Perky_REALTOR]
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Perky - your real-estate-sign-washing story reminded me of something I did... I used to live in a distinctive house in a trendy neighborhood. Being a real estate agent, my signs were often out in full view of anyone driving by - leaning against the side of the house, against my car or whatever. I got TONS of calls off those signs... but can you believe, it never occured to me to prospect to them?? Sheesh.
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#129084 - 03/17/07 05:42 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Jennifer Allan]
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K20 what are you trying to achieve with this method that you can't or aren't achieving with a traditional open house?






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#129090 - 03/17/07 05:52 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Realty Check]
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This may be on the ethical line but it does not cross it because your brokerage sign is also in the yard in addition to the yellow open house sign. The intent is to give the impression that this is just not another standard agent open house.

Will be interested in seeing what kind of response K20 gets.

[quote=Realty Check
It appears you are on the ethical line if your intent is to promote a false impression, Also most states require all advertising and marketing material to have the brokerage information.

If this were done in my area, I'm sure several agents would be filing reports to the real estate commission and ethics board of the association and probably with sufficient grounds for an investigation.[/quote]
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#129115 - 03/17/07 07:29 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Paul Oaks]
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I don't see anything wrong with it. I am going to try it myself, The color yellow gives the impression of urgancy, not the fact the this is a quick open house. Is it false? The sellers are wanting the house sold quick, thats not wrong. The agent wants to have a quick open house and move on, nothing wrong. I like the idea. Then again I was the one who washed the signs and left them out front!


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#129118 - 03/17/07 07:33 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: REODayton]
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I don't see anything special about a 30 minute open house, except that it may be a waste of time.
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#129132 - 03/17/07 08:16 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Agent 007]
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The point is instead of getting 6 looky loos in a 3 hour sunday, you get people who are actual lookers in a 1 hour period. As explained to me. The idea is to not make it look like the typical sunday open house, yellow sign does give impression of urgency, and it's like washing your signs infront of your home, if someone thinks that it's the owner holding the open house, not an agent, it's an assumption of theirs. I'll let you know my results but I'm still waiting on the signs.


Edited by K20 (03/17/07 08:17 PM)

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#129165 - 03/17/07 10:51 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: K20]
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I believe Craig Proctor (Real Estate Trainer) promotes short open houses called caravans. I think his idea is to start at the office and go to several similar homes in a subdivision that you or agents in the office have. You spend 15 minutes to half hour at each location and then everyone caravans to the next location.

An extra hook is to offer the local FSBO's in this "showcase" of homes with the understanding if you get a buyer, they will pay a buyers commission.

I bet you could even call competing brokers at different agencies and say that you have several buyers wanting to look at their house and set up appointments on Sunday from 1-1:30 then the next 1:30-2, and then the next other agent 2-2:30.

Can you imagine if you did this to a subdivision that you were farming. If you had permission to show to buyers all the 12 homes in the subdivision; Yours, FSBO's and also competing agencies listings that were for sale. If you ran an ad in the Sunday paper advertising VIEW ALL THE HOMES FOR SALE IN XYZ SUBDIVISION - STARTING AT 1:00 SUNDAY AT 123 MAIN. (Your Listing) Then cover the subdivision with flyers, Broadcast Voice Mail (which is a service that my 800 number offers) a message that states; view all your neighbors homes for sale to get an idea how your home compares value wise. (put that on the flyer, and the pre-recorded message that your automated call will make to every household in the subdivision.) Finally, have a big yellow sign posted that says come on our caravan of Homes in XYZ subdivision starting here at 1:00 and ending at 4:00. view all the homes for sale

I could (or a Lender) even rent a small little bus to caravan in a large subdivision. Have Free drinks and snacks on the bus, plus an info packet on our services. The home sellers could go on the tour and be incognito. Afterwards we would end at my listing and I would direct people to come forward to make an appointment back at the office for help with either financing, to put in any offers, or if they wanted information on listing their home, (if they had to sell it first.) Kind of like an alter call.

After you do this in one subdivision and you want to try it another, how could a competing broker turn you down. Would he want his buyer asking why didn't they look at my house? I could still pass out data sheets on homes we had to skip over and say that we will have to make private tours for this home.

I have thought about trying this method for some time but never have. Now after putting it in writing it even looks like a better idea. Any thoughts?

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#129172 - 03/17/07 11:32 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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If and when I successfully did a tour like this in the neighborhood, I could cold call homes not currenntly listed and ask if they would like to participate in XYZ subdivision's next tour schueduled say 6 weeks out. Even if it was a one day or a limited listing.

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#129271 - 03/18/07 08:54 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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I would agree that the folks who actually show up to this would tend to be the more serious buyer. But it seems to me that you would get these "serious" buyers to ANY open house and by using a conventional open house you also get buyers who are just as serious, but did not plan ahead as much or see your advertising who tend to show up to the open houses that last a few hours on a Saturday.

Totally open to the theory tho... I want to hear more from someone that has done it (from someone who does not operate with anonymity here anyway).

Now some agents will talk about a benefit of this being that your not wasting a whole lot of hours on the open house doing it this way. I would suggest you can do open houses for as long as you want and not waste time.... at least not YOUR time. Have another agent at our office do it if you want to do something else.

In the last year or two before I went on sabbatical, I probably only did 15% of my own open houses. I just send an email to my short list of agents I have some confidence in and ask who wants to run an open house. I always get multiple takers.

So I guess I agree on an instinctual level that you will get the more serious buyers, but I also believe you would get them anyway and by doing it this way exclude other buyers that are potentially just as serious. So the net is you get a more concentrated group of serious buyers, but then also eliminate some serious buyers mixed in with the looky loos that won't be around.

R
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#129273 - 03/18/07 08:58 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: RebelBroker]
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sorry robert I'm not trying to operate with anonymity. You say this because I haven't done the sig on this forum? I'm fairly new to the biz and asked about these kinds of open houses because I was curious if anyone had done them. I try to do open houses every Sunday. I was thinking about doing these yellow sign ones once or twice during the week. Once again, I don't have any yellow signs at this point so I have no clue as to how well this will work. I actually do notice the yellow signs that are aren't clustered with others.. just me though.

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#129275 - 03/18/07 11:35 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: K20]
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Any feedback on my earlier posts? Let me know if they are good ideas please!

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#129277 - 03/18/07 11:49 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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Why are the only two options, 30 mins or 4-5 hours?

I would never do a 4 hour open house.

What about 2-2.5 hours?
What about doing a weeknight open house for 1.5 hours? 4:30-6pm or 5p - 6:30pm or 5:30pm-7pm
You know sort of a Happy Hour for houses and have some chips and dip and 7up available for the tummies.

People are usually out anyway; on their way home from work, taking the kids somewhere, going to the gym etc and they might stop in for a few. You might catch some on their way to church.

If advertised right I think one could get a good turn out.


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#129309 - 03/18/07 05:27 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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Cool Cat,
I think your idea has merit. Here are some things you need to know and consider:
Subdivisions are much larger in large metro areas such as where Craig Proctor is from. Buyers, typically are not tied to a subdivision.
I have tried Craig's concept a couple of times with minimal results.
I do not think people are attending open houses like they used to with virtual tours and additional photos on multiple web sites.
What is going to cement a relationship between you and all the buyers? What is going to prevent them from calling another agent and asking them to go back with them and possibly write an offer?
In a hot market, I can see buyers making snap decisions to buy. Today's market is cool with properties sitting and buyers low balling. What is going to cause them to make an urgent decision to purchase?
As for competing brokers, what I have seen is several agents go together for a joint ad promoting all the listings in a general area. I think most agents will say that is fine. I am having mine open from 2 - 4 and you are more than welcome to bring them on past. They are going to let you do the work and reap the benefits from it.
If you are farming a particular neighborhood, I see where this would help set you apart from the rest of the crowd. I think you need a toe hold to get started.
I think you are working off of urgency and are inclined to make quick decisions. I do not think this is where buyers are working from.
FSBO's - How are you going to protect yourself on commission? What is to prevent someone from going back later and buying from the FSBO?
The problem with the bus is keeping the group together from house to house. It will be like herding cats. Some will want to stay and look others will be in and out in minutes. I also do not think buyers will give up their independence by getting on a bus and being under your control.
The idea has merit but I think you need to look at it from a buyer view. I would talk to some buyers and get their impression about the plan.

Also how many hours of your time and how many dollars will it require for a Sunday tour? Is that the best and highest use of your time?
The Broker

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#129316 - 03/18/07 06:00 PM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: The Broker]
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The Broker,

Thank you for your input. I hope I'm not wearing you out with this but I need someone to play devils advocate and also to expand on, if it has any merit. I appreciate you helping me with this.

If I tried this and had very minimal results or worse yet zero attendance it would back fire on me.

I thought about trying it in two large subdivisions.

My main motivation for a promotion like this is a listing tool. Something to set me apart from the crowd. Basically, the tour concept would be more of a dog and pony show. I would hopefully be the agent to contact for LISTINGS, if I did this promotion correctly in a farm.

If I did several of these and actually wrote an offer, whether it was one of my listings, FSBO, or a cooperating agent it would be an added bonus. Just like I know, an Open House has a 1% chance of selling. The main reason for an open house is to pick up buyers or sellers an 8% chance.

You are right, it is possible that some of the homes will be open on Sunday. Maybe the ideal time would be Saturday when the Courier Homes comes out to advertise the caravan tour.

The first tour, I simply would make appointments with the other agencies stating that I have some buyers wanting to look at your house in this window of time and set the appointment.

If we had a large turn out, and I had 20 plus people, I could not manage or watch everyone in a home. What would my liabilities be? I guess that would be a good problem if we had a large turnout. ( I cannot watch a single family when they split up.)

Unfortunately, the two listings I currently have in South Broadview (a large subdivision) are not really showcase homes. I would want to kick this off when I had two or three good listings in the two subdivisions I am farming. (Chicken and the Egg)

If I had Horton Team RE/MAX banners on the metro bus or the party bus that is rented out and I had at least a half dozen or more people it would be a great advertising.

I maybe, on the first time should seed it with friends and family to ensure attendance.

I would also like to have the RE/MAX moving truck and RE/MAX cold air balloon on my first house (meeting place.)

You are right about some buyers will have an interest in some homes and not at others. I would have to preface the tour by stating, this will be a brief tour, we will be in the home 10 to 15 minutes maximum.

If there is any interest get with Kristi (my wife), and myself for a personal tour. If there were three of us Kristi, (a new agent in the office), and Myself, one could go open and the other close up if we have stragglers. Or just say we have to go our next appointment is down the road. That would be a good problem.

I know we are doing an Open House today to pacify my seller, which is not the best use of my time. This promotion would satisfy two or three of my listings if I had it.

Again, I would be doing this to become the listing agent for that subdivision.

I think if all of the components were put in play it could work. I do not have the listings or money to try this right now, but like I said, I'm brainstorming and would love any further thoughts by you or any of the other readers.

(HAS ANYONE READ MY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD BESIDES THE BROKER?)

It is not just an open house!

Thanks again

John
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#129363 - 03/19/07 12:17 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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Winters in Ohio are Hell on cars in Ohio. The signs take a beating also. If the hose is out, might as well wash the signs off also. It was an honest mistake!

I still like the idea and looking into it. The cost is minimal and I can hit 2 or 3 in the same day. Makes sense.

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#129398 - 03/19/07 04:45 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: REODayton]
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I am the type that starts smaller and works my up. Cool Cat what you seem to have is a long term vision. Since you already have two listings in "South Broadview", why not have them open 2-3 and 3-4. Contact all the FSBO's in the area and ask for their data sheets and a commitment that they will pay you if you have a buyer. On the Tuesday before the Open House saturate "South Broadview" as well as move up subdivisions with flyers on the two that are open and include a promo on (1) information about homes for sale that are not in the MLS and (2) Loan Officer available to discuss loan issues and options. My guess is you could get a lender to help underwrite the flyers. I would also put together a slide show on the RE/MAX Design Center that will play on your lap top of all the homes that you have information on (listed and FSBO). You have the CD with the checklists. Get those printed up so that you have value added items that guests can pick up with your contact info. Do them 3 up on various colors of card stock. Your lender should have rate sheets for each property that is for sale so that they can take them also. If you can get some seed money from your lender or get them to share a set of commercials on the radio, you could get air coverage as well.

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#129399 - 03/19/07 04:49 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: The Broker]
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Are you a RE/MAX agent?

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#129401 - 03/19/07 04:53 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: Cool Cat]
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Yes

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#129423 - 03/19/07 09:05 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: The Broker]
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The anonymity thing. Not really directed at anyone in particular to be honest.

However, when someone is going to tell me that x,y, or z works or has worked for them in the past, I just can't give it a whole lot of weight when they could be a 13 year old sitting in their moms basement. You would be surprised at how many people come on here giving advice anonymously that end up clearly never having been real estate agents.

On the flip side, there are some folks who operate with anonymity here, who over time have shown that they are in fact what they claim to be and I give their advice and suggestions their due.

ReallyReal has it right on the length of the open house. If I am doing an open house myself, I limit the time to something manageable (2 - 3 hours). Also, I only put the start time of an open house in any of my advertisements. If I find I am getting huge attention, I can then always extend it.

This kind of feeds into another poor assumption in our business. Its the quantity over quality debate. A really short, but well planned and executed open house can get you a whole lot while a really long just thrown together open house can earn you zip.

R
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#129606 - 03/20/07 03:02 AM Re: 30 min Open House??? This Ok?? [Re: RebelBroker]
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agreed on both counts. Thought you were directing towards me from the other thread that you originally had this posted in. Isn't it usually a quanity vs quality issue? Work smart not hard or something like that.

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