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#119842 - 03/30/06 01:53 PM purposely looking for bad deals
alvin Offline
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just wondering if anyone has purposely looked for properties with high vacancy, bad management, poorly condition, low cap rates, low NOI, etc and just completely did a 180 with low expenses, good cash flow, etc?

other buyers would pass on these deals but you have ways of making the numbers work and profitable.

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#119843 - 04/01/06 07:48 PM Re: purposely looking for bad deals
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High Vacancy, Bad Management and poor condition will all be reflected in the properties current value. 2 of these 3 are easy to fix and those 2 may be the reason for the 3rd if that is the case then it would be real potential. If the High Vacancy is not caused by the other 2 then there is a problem and you would have to identify what is causing it before it can be addressed.

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Originally posted by alvin:
just wondering if anyone has purposely looked for properties with high vacancy, bad management, poorly condition, low cap rates, low NOI, etc and just completely did a 180 with low expenses, good cash flow, etc?

other buyers would pass on these deals but you have ways of making the numbers work and profitable.
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#119844 - 04/04/06 10:48 AM Re: purposely looking for bad deals
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thanks paul,
would you still consider the property if all 3 were problematic in exchange for a 60% FMV? would this be a good manageable risk since you have a 40% equity cushion?

also do you personally manage the properties yourself or do you hire property management?

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#119845 - 04/04/06 11:39 AM Re: purposely looking for bad deals
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Still depends on the High Vacancy problem. If it is a geographic problem causing the vacancy and there are no economic developement plans in the works for the area then that 40% may dwindle fast and you also need to consider your renovation budget.

Eliminating the Bad management and poor condition will cure the vacancy problem with some advertisement.

I oversee the management of my properties and have a full-time handyman that handles maintainence calls. If is a major problem he has the authority to have the problem fixed. He and his family live rent free plus a small salary in one of my oldest SFR units. If you have say 12 unit building it would be benefical to have an onsite part-time manager.

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Originally posted by alvin:
thanks paul,
would you still consider the property if all 3 were problematic in exchange for a 60% FMV? would this be a good manageable risk since you have a 40% equity cushion?

also do you personally manage the properties yourself or do you hire property management?
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