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#117163 - 09/16/06 03:09 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
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Registered: 08/01/06
Posts: 534
Loc: Downey, California
ALL AGENTS IN CALIFORNIA CAN READ MORE OF THIS RECENT COURT DECISION BY LOGGING ON TO THE CAR WEBSITE.....Here is the decision in a nutshell:

COURT LIMITS REAL ESTATE COMMISSIONER'S POWER TO REVOKE LICENSE.
The California DRE cannot revoke a real estate license for the commission of any crime. The crime used as a basis for the license revocation must substantially relate to the functions the licensed profession and must be either a felony or a crime involving moral turpitude. This was a ruling of a California appellate court in the recent case of Petropoulos vs. DRE (2006 WL 2498015).

The case resolves the interplay between two sections in the CA B&P Code. Section 10177(b) allows the DRE to suspend or revoke a real estate license if the licensee is convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony or a crime involving moral turpitude. Section 490, on the other hand, allows a licensing board, such as the DRE, to suspend or revoke a license if the licsensee has been convicted of a crime substantially related to the qualifications, functions, or duties of the licansed profession.

In this case, real estate broker Jim Petropoulos pled guilty to misdemeanor battery for a domestic violence incident and no-contest for another incident. Three years later DRE filed a disciplinary action against him because, among other things, he and his then girlfriend gave highly inconsistent accounts of their altercation, the DRE failed to establish clear and convincing evidence that Mr. Petropoulos "acted with the sort of readiness to do evil, or baseness, vileness or depravity that generally characterize crimes of moral turpitude". The DRE thus conceded that "under the facts of the convictions in this case there is no moral turpitude as required for a misdemeanor under section 10177(b). The Commissioner nevertheless revoked the broker's license by relying solely on Section 490.

Petropoulos won in the Court of Appeal with this ruling, "licensing boards enjoyed too much discretion under their licensing statutes, and were exercising it in an arbitrary and standardless fashion to further penalize licensees for crimes that had no bearing on their fitness to practice their profession" The Court of Appeals concluded that Section 490, standing alone, does not authorize DRE to suspend or revoke a salespeson or broker's license but that it must be read in conjunction with 10177(b) which requires underlying nonfelony crimes to involve moral turpitude in order to discipline a licensee.

This article e-mailed to CAR members via their REalegal ends with the statement that the DRE is considering an appeal of the decision to the California Supreme Court.
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#117164 - 09/28/06 02:04 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
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Registered: 09/13/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Colorado Springs
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Originally posted by openmls.lakesidemax.com:
I dont' understand how selling homes has to do with being a sex offender. Sex offenders aren't any different than any other kind of offender. I think that's descrimination.

If you don't wan't anyone with a past criminal history to sell real estate, then it should be worded that way.

Because the drug dealer turned Realtor has just about as much as temptation to sell drugs as a sex offender has of commiting a sex offense. It's a behaviour that they both have to overcome. Whether you personally find one worst than the other, the law obviously shouldn't.
ummm first of all, you obviously don't have children or know anybody who has been the victim of a sex offender.

acccording to studies at major universities sex offenders on average have a rate of recidivism of 60%. Which statistically means that more than half of those caught are likely to commit the crime again.

Those that experience sexual assualts are generally affected for life and have multitudes of mental, emotional, physical and financial problems for extended periods of their life.

And forcing a young child to perform fellatio when compared to selling a bit of pot or coke is like comparing rubber bullets to nuclear bombs.

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#117165 - 10/06/06 05:29 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
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Registered: 06/12/06
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Loc: Sacramento, CA
Harry Reems, according to Wikipedia, is selling real estate in Park City, Utah. \:\)

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#117166 - 12/13/06 11:14 AM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
RESTEVE Offline
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Registered: 10/28/06
Posts: 417
Loc: Kansas
I am in Kansas too and I think I remember having a background check at some point. I would say this slipped through the cracks and they are unaware of this persons situation. Of course we have a broker in the area that gets away with all sorts of stuff that KREC would normally come down on. What would it hurt to notify KREC and ask how they stand on the issue. I mean sex offenders need to make a living too but you sure wouldnt put one in a daycare. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. And if it violates there rights so what. They dont care about the victims rights. Dont they still cut peoples hands off in some countries for stealing. Imagine what they'd do to a child molester.

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#117167 - 02/04/07 05:32 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
oakenfold Moderator Offline
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Registered: 02/04/07
Posts: 73
Loc: Northern California
In CA, a conviction or nolo gets reported to DRE by the FBI. Depending on your jx, the crime may be one that tends to affect the man's license.

If you make waves, you may put yourself in jeopardy of being sued by the licensee.
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#117168 - 02/04/07 07:13 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents
Retsof Yor Offline
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Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 486
Loc: South Central Kansas
Update from the Wizard of Oz...

Background Check and Felon Legislation Hearing on Wednesday in House Commerce and Labor On Wednesday morning at 9:00 a.m., our background check and felon legislation, HB 2295, will be up for a hearing in the House Commerce and Labor Committee.

HB 2295 would require all new applicants for a real estate license to submit a set of fingerprints to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation (KBI) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for a comprehensive state and national criminal history record check. This would allow the Kansas Real Estate Commission (KREC) to review a complete and thorough criminal history of the applicant when considering whether to grant a real estate license to an applicant.

HB 2295 would also place limitations on the ability of KREC to grant a real estate license to an applicant with a felony conviction in his or her record. For the purposes of this legislation, past felony convictions would be divided into three separate categories. First, KREC would be permanently prohibited from granting a license to an applicant who had pleaded guilty or been convicted of a felony for any offense which would subject them to registration as a sexual or violent offender in the state of Kansas. Second, KREC would be prohibited from granting a real estate license to an applicant who, within the last ten years, had pleaded guilty or been convicted of any crime involving fraud. Third, KREC would be prohibited from granting a real estate license to an applicant who, within the last five years, had pleaded guilty or been convicted of any felony.

I believe this may be on the way of being taken care of...
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#126702 - 03/05/07 07:11 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: Retsof Yor]
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Registered: 03/01/07
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In SDak you can be added to the SO registry for getting caught peeing outside. Something that was quite common driving home from a bar

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#127106 - 03/07/07 06:17 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: NUtoREO]
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Registered: 12/15/04
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Loc: CO
"In SDak you can be added to the SO registry for getting caught peeing outside. Something that was quite common driving home from a bar "
With or without customers in the car?

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#197407 - 01/26/08 09:53 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: Jflynn]
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Registered: 01/01/08
Posts: 106
Loc: SFBayArea, CA
I'm amazed the person was able to get any kind of license, temporary or not. The California Department of Justice does a background investigation with includes the standard FBI query so if the crime occurred anywhere in the country and involved violence it should show up when the applicants finger prints are run in AFIS. I've fairly confident but not 100% certian that a hit on prints would prevent a person from getting any license in Cali.

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#214087 - 03/23/08 10:33 AM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: NUtoREO]
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Loc: Ca
 Originally Posted By: NUtoREO
In SDak you can be added to the SO registry for getting caught peeing outside


You know what they say............

Where ever you may be
Let you pee flow free
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#217505 - 04/05/08 04:37 PM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: Jflynn]
Coda316 Offline
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Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 14
Loc: MA
 Originally Posted By: Jflynn
I have two children I love dearly. I also used to be a forensic psychometrician (guy who does psychological testing for the courts) involved heavily in the testing and classification of sex offenders. I know far more about the subject than you might think, knowledge based on science and statistics as opposed to your emotional opinions.

And as for your logic, if I were forced to make a choice I'd rather have my children be molested than killed. If you think being dead is better than being the victim of a sex crime then that's your choice although it's not rational. Sex offenders create victims. Murderers create dead people.


YOU obviously were never molested as a child. It is a fate worse than death in my opinion. My life has been completely ruined because of being molested by my step father for several years as a young child. I am 39 years old and am still dealing with my past. I am in counseling and have a lot of resentment and anger. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF!!!!!!! I hope all sex offenders burn in HELL. There is no forgiveness or second chances when it comes to destroying an innocent child's life.

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#217600 - 04/06/08 07:20 AM Re: Sex Offenders as RE Agents [Re: Coda316]
Perky_REALTOR Global Moderator Offline
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Posts: 3871
Loc: Northeast PA
^^I'm really sorry for what you are dealing with and ahve been dealing with your entire life.

There should be no second chances - I agree. It should be an automatic life sentence with no parole and no computer access.

If only it were that simple.

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