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#116906 - 04/04/06 02:09 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Tucker TX Offline
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I would guess my ratio is 60% Listings and 40% Sales. I should close between 50 and 60 files this year.
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#116907 - 04/04/06 02:14 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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P.S. That ratio may change quickly as Monday I took 3 Listing appts. for a total of 6 in a week.
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#116908 - 04/04/06 02:27 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Paul, I meant that they were a protected class in addition to being discounters.
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#116909 - 04/04/06 07:45 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Rick -

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I have a question for you. I know you list properties but do you also sell properties?
Come on Rick, why won't you answer my question?
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#116910 - 04/04/06 07:47 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Tucker TX -

Are you associated with a "discounted" brokerage? Are you a Realtor?
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#116911 - 04/04/06 09:02 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Am I a Realtor? Please.... Do you you think I could catch you in so many violations without being a Realtor? What was your second guess, Attorney? I'm flattered.
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#116912 - 04/05/06 11:09 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Tucker,
Sorry but so far you have not caught her in any violations at all. Each thing you have mentioned has not been a COE violation.

I know also what you meant by protected classes but you are really reaching on that one because there is an equal chance that the bonus would have been paid to one of the protected class so that would void your argument on protected classes.

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Originally posted by Tucker TX:
Am I a Realtor? Please.... Do you you think I could catch you in so many violations without being a Realtor? What was your second guess, Attorney? I'm flattered.
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#116913 - 04/05/06 11:45 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Artical 2 is the only COE violation I could find.(1) The fact that she has an undisclosed bonus is an MLS violation.(2) She states that she has explained her tactic to the seller and that would relieve that one. But, imagine that conversation: "Here's the deal Mr. and Mrs. Seller, I'm going to post (much?) lower than the prevailing rate on the MLS and make those dirty discounters pay! Yes, some agents may not want to show your home if they don't call me first to get the secret handshake or they are a discounter. It really is more important that I conduct my personal vendetta visa v your home. After all, I really don't like those people and their buyers and I have an axe to grind. Who cares if they have the money to buy your home, I have a war to wage." Of course not in so many words, but that is how it ends up. That type of approach is not in the clients best interest and not acting in your clients best interest is always a violation.(3)

As far as protected classes, the potential exisists, is it really worth rolling the dice on that one?(4) Not for me.

Just to clarify, I think it is abusive to post extremely low or no compensation on the MLS to manipulate the system. It's a poor practice and won't stand the test of time.
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#116914 - 04/05/06 12:17 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Tucker,

Using your logic a "discounter" who posts low co-op fees would also be in violation...all of those $1 co-op or 1%

**use of these numbers is strictly for educational or entertainment use only and in no way endorses any commissions**

listings are also not in the best interest of the client.

Undisclosed bonus may not be MLS violation for her MLS system. The only system you can speak to is your own and does not apply to Article 2

Unless the co-op is mentioned in her listing presentation it has Zero relevance. Seller is agreeing to pay her X percentage to list and market her home.
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#116915 - 04/05/06 01:23 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Our Listing contracts disclose co-op amounts.

I would think most MLS systems have a field for a bonus.

I don't understand how a listing is not in the best interest of the person requesting it.

It is an abuse of the broker co-operative (MLS) to post $1 co-ops, and in my opinion anything below the prevailing rate.
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#116916 - 04/05/06 09:02 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
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Loc: Salem Oregon
Tucker TX (You too Rick)

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Artical 2 is the only COE violation I could find.(1) The fact that she has an undisclosed bonus is an MLS violation.
You are not understanding at all - You just don't get it. I AM NOT IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 2! Article 1-9 are "DUTIES TO CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS". In a co-op sale the Buyer Broker/Agent is NOT a client nor a customer!

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Our Listing contracts disclose co-op amounts.
Yes, and so do ours.

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I would think most MLS systems have a field for a bonus.
Well, then quit thinking - we don't

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It is an abuse of the broker co-operative (MLS) to post $1 co-ops, and in my opinion anything below the prevailing rate.
Well, well, well - WELCOME TO THE OTHER WORLD!
*** A "Brokerage" lists a "Co-Op" Commission below the "prevailing rate", and that brokerage is considered a "Discount Brokerage" BUT that same “Discount Brokerage” expects to be paid the “PREVAILING RATE” (or more) and NOT a discounted rate when they sell a competitors listing. So, what? - “Discounters” want their cake and eat it too? Only in a Socialist Democrat world - Do you finally get it?

A "Discounter" should expect to be paid what they are willing to pay.

I am right, you are; lets just say "In Error" and move on to another discussion.
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#116917 - 04/05/06 09:29 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
24Salem7 Offline
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Tucker TX -
Another note -
A undisclosed "Bonus" is NOT a MLS violation.

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I think it is abusive to post extremely low or no compensation on the MLS
NOTE: I Have Never Posted A "NO COMPENSATION" ever on the MLS.
NOTE: By extremely "low", you mean like a "Discounter Brokerage"? :p
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Donna Toline, GRI, CRIS
Principal Broker, NRBA Member
DAT Real Estate Solutions, PC
Salem, OR 97305
503-828-0256 Direct
503-551-1160 Cell
www.The-Dream-Team.us

The Courage To Be Great Lies Deep Within Each Of Us -

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#116918 - 04/06/06 05:23 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Tucker TX Offline
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Loc: South Texas
“Discounters” want their cake and eat it too?

It's 'eat your cake and have it too'. Everyone has their cake and eats it too.
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#116919 - 04/06/06 07:47 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
24Salem7 Offline
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Tucker
I know what I wrote -
It was NOT in error -
You really don't get it - do you -
Oh well, I'm not surprised - :rolleyes:
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Principal Broker, NRBA Member
DAT Real Estate Solutions, PC
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#116920 - 04/06/06 07:49 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Tucker TX Offline
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Loc: South Texas
NOTE: By extremely "low", you mean like a "Discounter Brokerage"?

Yes
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