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#116846 - 02/27/06 06:36 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Rick Mense Offline
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Registered: 06/29/05
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Loc: Pensacola, FL
Well, ok.. You guys just keep your head in the sand. I am glad I made my point because there are always a few I get through to.
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#116847 - 02/27/06 06:59 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Paul Oaks Offline
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Loc: Central Illinois
The only point you have made is that you do not know what you are talking about!

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Originally posted by Rick Mense:
Well, ok.. You guys just keep your head in the sand. I am glad I made my point because there are always a few I get through to.
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#116848 - 02/27/06 07:01 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Dee in Austin Offline
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Registered: 12/03/04
Posts: 2198
Loc: Austin, TX
I always try to be positive, but am just fed up. I like taking action when something bothers me. I've been in management for a long time and didn't tolerate complaints without resolutions.

Inaction when an employee or member is dissatisfied means they can 1) leave or 2) stop complaining. Solve the problem or you are the problem.
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#116849 - 02/27/06 07:22 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Rick Mense Offline
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Registered: 06/29/05
Posts: 783
Loc: Pensacola, FL
Part of solving a problem is open the eyes of the people who are completely unaware they are being taken advantage of.

I see most of you prefer to walk around completely blind...

Good Luck....
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#116850 - 02/27/06 08:04 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
24Salem7 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 235
Loc: Salem Oregon
Rick -
I have found when a “discount broker” who consistently lists at a “discount”, they are the first to scream when they are representing a Buyer and the home their Buyer wants happens to have a lesser commission.
When I list I put the minimal commission down with a comment in the private remarks stating to call Listing Broker for commission. When a Broker calls and asks about the commission amount I then know if they are a “Discounter”. If they are then my response is “yep, that is what it is”. If the Broker calling is NOT a “Discounter”, then I will tell them that I will increase the Selling side commission to _%. That way the “Discounter” is getting what he / she is use to earning.
You know the saying: You get what you pay for -
As a Listing Broker I earn every dollar! When I represent a Seller and something has to give, I am the one giving to assure that the Buyer Broker is receiving their pay. I know they work just as hard as a Listing Broker because I also represent Buyers. I do not do dual agency, it is either one or the other, so if I am the Listing Broker and I cut the Buyer Brokers commission then who is going to sell the property? (Even with the lesser amount on the listing info showing less, the Brokers know me and verify what the commission is & they always show my properties because they know they will be paid). I am representing the Seller and it is my job to make sure the home is being shown to Buyers. If a home has a “quirk” I may even increase the Buyers Commission and I take less to make it more attractive BECAUSE I AM REPRESENTING MY CLIENT -

As for my comparison regarding the two professions - You just don’t have a clue do you? Oh, that’s right you don’t, your not a REALTOR. DUH, my mistake!
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Principal Broker, NRBA Member
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#116851 - 02/28/06 03:47 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Rick Mense Offline
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Registered: 06/29/05
Posts: 783
Loc: Pensacola, FL
Salem,

Your practice of changing the SOC depending on who calls will get you sued! two will get the attention of the DOJ. You are obviously one of those agents who has yet to get a huge fine.

Don't say you weren't warned!!
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#116852 - 02/28/06 04:26 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
KT Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 1523
Loc: Ohio
My head is not in the sand, nor am I blind, I just want to know what's the basis of your opinion? Post a link to wherever this "fact" is to be found.

I can say that I personally have NEVER not shown a listing based on either the listing broker, or the compensation offered. But then I also try to not to make assumptions about other agents, and how they do business without factual knowledge.

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#116853 - 02/28/06 08:41 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Rick Mense Offline
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Registered: 06/29/05
Posts: 783
Loc: Pensacola, FL
Read Salems last post..... She is the reason we need to have E & O insurance.
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#116854 - 02/28/06 09:34 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Paul Oaks Offline
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Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 3370
Loc: Central Illinois
Get Salem sued by who Ricky? The attention of DOJ for exactly what?

Salem,
You are so right look at the discounter whine!
When you hit the discounters with facts they always make veiled comments but never answer a specific question. ;\)


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Originally posted by Rick Mense:
Salem,

Your practice of changing the SOC depending on who calls will get you sued! two will get the attention of the DOJ. You are obviously one of those agents who has yet to get a huge fine.

Don't say you weren't warned!!
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Paul Oaks
Oaks Real Estate Group

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#116855 - 03/08/06 03:40 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
BNizzle Offline
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 13
And can you feel the love tonight...tonight...
I think it's funny how people jump right on to him. It would probably be more effective to not have any replies to his comments. But then again, then I'd have nothing to read and chuckle about.

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BNizzle - fo shizzle
Blue Ridge Homes
Buying a Home in Locust Point
Chula Vista Real Estate

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#116856 - 03/09/06 08:00 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
pikes peak Offline
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Registered: 12/15/04
Posts: 2743
Loc: CO
Rick said:
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BUT!!! the point is there are a lot of agents out there doing just that, only showing certain homes without a BBroker Agmt. THIS FOLKS IS UNETHICAL and NAR TURNS A BLIND EYE!!! more like having a black eye if you ask me.
I wondered about his statement.
I don't know of any attorneys who would like to be represented (fiduciary) by a Realtor in a transaction, buying or selling. The reason? They don't want to assume any additional liability from the agents actions.
So, how would that be unethical? And why should NAR care?

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#116857 - 03/09/06 09:01 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
24Salem7 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 235
Loc: Salem Oregon
BNizzle -
He is like the “dorky” relative that no one wants to sit next to at Thanksgiving and is the butt of everyones jokes -

Wait a minute . . .
Rick said:

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BUT!!! the point is there are a lot of agents out there doing just that, only showing certain homes without a BBroker Agmt. THIS FOLKS IS UNETHICAL and NAR TURNS A BLIND EYE!!! more like having a black eye if you ask me.

Maybe Realtors are stealing his customers - Maybe they won't sign a BBroker Agmt with him and they are going to Realtors instead! Maybe? :p
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Donna Toline, GRI, CRIS
Principal Broker, NRBA Member
DAT Real Estate Solutions, PC
Salem, OR 97305
503-828-0256 Direct
503-551-1160 Cell
www.The-Dream-Team.us

The Courage To Be Great Lies Deep Within Each Of Us -

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#116858 - 03/16/06 08:38 AM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
Blue Sky Realtor Offline
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Registered: 03/16/06
Posts: 13
Loc: Midwest
And you people consider yourselves "Professionals"? Ms Salem.... if you were a member of the board I belong to, your commission switching practices would land you in a world of hurt including sanctions, fines, and possible license action. On the other hand, if an agent is not a member, the commission listed on MLS is not owed. I just wandered onto this forum today, and I am disgusted by all of you ganging up on this guy because he apparently practices a different business model. All of you responding to him with your put-downs and boycott-type language sound ignorant and foolish. Indeed, Ms Salem, with your quote about becoming great? Shame on you and your hypocrisy! You probably call yourself a Christian too, don't you? Well, WWJD? By the way, I am a full service broker. And also by the way, why doesn't anyone on these forums know the difference between "their" and "there" and "your" and "you're". Collectively, your command of the English language is poor at best. I am beginning to understand why the public views the Realtor population just two levels above car salesmen. Rick, if you are committed to your business model, then do your own thing, and if you have a legitimate gripe about someone else's pratices, contact your state's department of regulation and licensing and file a bona fide complaint! You're better off focusing on doing what you do the best way it can be done, and ignoring the naysayers. Put yourself above the fray - after all, if you wrestle in the mud with pigs long enough, you will eventually realize the pig likes it.

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#116859 - 03/16/06 03:39 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
24Salem7 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 235
Loc: Salem Oregon
Clueless
Not worth my time -
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Donna Toline, GRI, CRIS
Principal Broker, NRBA Member
DAT Real Estate Solutions, PC
Salem, OR 97305
503-828-0256 Direct
503-551-1160 Cell
www.The-Dream-Team.us

The Courage To Be Great Lies Deep Within Each Of Us -

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#116860 - 03/16/06 04:07 PM Re: NAR self police, not a chance... it all about the money
KT Offline
Major Contributor

Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 1523
Loc: Ohio
*SIGH*


Quite honestly, I feel Rick brings up some good stuff sometimes. It's good to read and discuss the different viewpoints in regards to NAR, as well as learning about the vast business models out there, at least I think so. But not being able to back things up w/stats, reports, or whatever, and just ranting about the issues one might have with, or in RE, isn't how things are going to change. Being part of the problem, ie; saying as an agent, that agents are akin to used car salespeople, isn't how things are going to change. On a different topic, some guy once told me, you gotta go balls to the wall, and I find this is true in just about every aspect of life, including this wonderful business we've chosen for ourselves.

BTW, still waiting for something to backup the original post.

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